Resisting Climate Hysteria

[investor13]

So, it affects everyone except white men, apparently.

basically yeah. climate change has always been racist as it only happens in white western counteries, but now its being sexist also and more racist.

 

[investor13]

China pumps out more pollution in eight years than UK since Industrial Revolution​

CO2 emissions of 80bn tonnes from 2013 to 2020 is higher than Britain’s 78bn over 220 years

China pumps out more pollution in eight years than UK since Industrial Revolution

CO2 emissions of 80bn tonnes from 2013 to 2020 is higher than Britain’s 78bn over 220 years

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[moXJO]

China pumps out more pollution in eight years than UK since Industrial Revolution​

CO2 emissions of 80bn tonnes from 2013 to 2020 is higher than Britain’s 78bn over 220 years

China pumps out more pollution in eight years than UK since Industrial Revolution

CO2 emissions of 80bn tonnes from 2013 to 2020 is higher than Britain’s 78bn over 220 years

www.telegraph.co.uk

Every country basically had to offshore to China. The downside was that the pollution controls were poor compared to western countries.
We can point the finger at China, but it was western greed that allowed it.

Australia sending itself broke over climate change is also stupid. How much do we actually emit given all our carbon sinks?
I'm not talking per capita bs either.

 

[Sean K]

Every country basically had to offshore to China. The downside was that the pollution controls were poor compared to western countries.
We can point the finger at China, but it was western greed that allowed it.

Australia sending itself broke over climate change is also stupid. How much do we actually emit given all our carbon sinks?
I'm not talking per capita bs either.

We probably are a carbon sink. Tassie definitely is. Would like to see some science applied to our CO2 sequestration. But, the results might not fit the narrative.

 

[investor13]

Every country basically had to offshore to China. The downside was that the pollution controls were poor compared to western countries.
We can point the finger at China, but it was western greed that allowed it.

Australia sending itself broke over climate change is also stupid. How much do we actually emit given all our carbon sinks?
I'm not talking per capita bs either.

Lol
If the threat was some what reality pressure on china would be to use l, renewables or nuclear not so called dirty old coal! I mean they aren’t even the new clean coal technology being used in the new plants being built

China approved equivalent of two new coal plants a week in 2022, report finds​

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/27/energy/china-new-coal-plants-climate-report-intl-hnk/index.this

 

[farmerge]

Lol
If the threat was some what reality pressure on china would be to use l, renewables or nuclear not so called dirty old coal! I mean they aren’t even the new clean coal technology being used in the new plants being built

China approved equivalent of two new coal plants a week in 2022, report finds​

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/27/energy/china-new-coal-plants-climate-report-intl-hnk/index.this

@investor13 But, that is China, we do as we want.

 

[basilio]

Every country basically had to offshore to China. The downside was that the pollution controls were poor compared to western countries.
We can point the finger at China, but it was western greed that allowed it.

Australia sending itself broke over climate change is also stupid. How much do we actually emit given all our carbon sinks?
I'm not talking per capita bs either.

Interesting. We "had" to offshore to China ? Perhaps another way of seeing it was that industries discovered they could pick up whatever widgets they needed far cheaper in China than they could make in the US/Australia. They still made their profits , and then more, and didn't have to worry about employing people.

The poor pollution controls in China ? Absolutely. China suffered from disastrous pollution fuelled by this intensive industrialisation. Should The West have taken firmer action to ensure pollution controls in China were adequate to protect the environment and peoples health ? Hell, just achieving that goal in our own countries was a mammoth effort given the constant fights against businesses complaining about such greenie sentiments.

In that context it's so interesting to see Western reaction to China's current push to move decisively to cleaner production and renewable energy and technology industry. How positive has it been ?

How China Became the World’s Leader on Renewable Energy​

China has achieved stunning growth in its installed renewable capacity over the last two decades, far outpacing the rest of the world. But to end its continued dependence on fossil fuels, it must now move ahead with planned reforms to its national electricity system.

By Isabel Hilton • March 13, 2024

Last November, Chinese climate envoy Xie Zhenhua and U.S. climate envoy John Kerry shook hands on a pledge to triple renewable energy globally by 2030. It was hailed as a welcome revival of climate cooperation between the world’s biggest and second-biggest emitters of greenhouse gases and offered hope that the two veteran climate negotiators had found a way through a blizzard of negative diplomatic exchanges to keep alive the prospects for greater global ambition on tackling climate change.

In one key sector essential to that ambition, however, the Chinese government can argue, with some justification, that it is China, not the United States, that is in the lead. In a world in which national climate targets are being missed, the speed and scale of expansion in China’s installed renewable capacity is unmatched.

In 2020, for example, China pledged to reach 1,200 gigawatts of renewables capacity by 2030, more than double its capacity at that time. At its present pace, it will meet that target by 2025, and could boast as much as 1,000 gigawatts of solar power alone by the end of 2026, an achievement that would make a substantial contribution to the 11,000 gigawatts of installed renewable capacity that the world needs to meet the 2030 targets of the Paris Agreement. Fossil fuels now make up less than half of China’s total installed generation capacity, a dramatic reduction from a decade ago when fossil fuels accounted for two-thirds of its power capacity.

In 2022, China installed roughly as much solar capacity as the rest of the world combined, then doubled additional solar in 2023.

When the International Energy Authority issued its assessment of the pledge to triple renewables globally by 2030, it pointed out that the 50 percent increase in global renewable installations in 2023 was largely driven by China. In 2022, China installed roughly as much solar photovoltaic capacity as the rest of the world combined, then went on in 2023 to double new solar installations, increase new wind capacity by 66 percent, and almost quadruple additions of energy storage.

For the past two decades, China has been notorious as the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, a country that also uses as much heavily polluting coal as the rest of the world combined. How did it also become the world’s renewable powerhouse?

Part of the answer goes back to investment decisions made in the mid-2000s when China’s decades-long phase of rapid GDP growth was coming to an end. Labor costs were rising, and China’s development model, with its overwhelming dependence on coal, had plunged China into multiple crises of air, soil, and water pollution. In the first decade of this century, China’s emissions more than doubled, and by 2006 it had overtaken the U.S. to earn the unwelcome title of the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases by volume.

China’s leadership was alert to the negative diplomatic impacts of being the world’s worst polluter, especially in those countries most vulnerable to climate impacts. At the same time, China’s own exposure to climate change effects, on top of its escalating pollution crisis and the public unrest it was generating, was becoming a significant topic in Beijing’s top-level policy discussions. China’s planners were looking for investments that would create an opportunity for a more advanced technological future, and this coincided with the need to clean up China’s environment and the global effort to cut emissions. All this pointed to supporting the development of the renewable technologies the world would need if it was to avoid climate catastrophe.

In the next and every subsequent five-year plan, China made strategic investments in all aspects of renewable technologies, from solar and wind capacity, green hydrogen, and geothermal projects to research and investment in battery storage and its supply chains. In the first phase of its rapid industrial development starting in the 1990s, China had been obliged to license technologies owned by others. Now the strategic ambition was to dominate the field, positioning China as the global supplier of goods to an increasingly carbon-constrained world.

How China Became the World’s Leader on Renewable Energy

China has achieved stunning growth in its installed renewable capacity over the last two decades, far outpacing the rest of the world. But to end its continued dependence on fossil fuels, it must now move ahead with planned reforms to its national electricity system.

e360.yale.edu

 

[Smurf1976]

Interesting. We "had" to offshore to China ?

Rather a lot of current problems in society ultimately come back not to being forced to offshore, but allowing it to occur.

Get to the bottom of it and the housing crisis and the inability to respond to problems from climate to hospitals can all be traced back to that. We moved the means of wealth creation offshore, leaving us as China's quarry desperately hoping they keep buying coal. We filled the economic gap with debt, running down infrastructure and asset price inflation.

Once you accept that, the rest's pretty straightforward. The ultimate example of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and one that, rationally, both sides of politics ought find common ground on since it's not to anyone's benefit in the long term.

 

[investor13]

@investor13 But, that is China, we do as we want.

the pressure only applies to western countries, never a non western by the usual sprukers UN, gretta and rag piece media

 

[investor13]

Rather a lot of current problems in society ultimately come back not to being forced to offshore, but allowing it to occur.

Get to the bottom of it and the housing crisis and the inability to respond to problems from climate to hospitals can all be traced back to that. We moved the means of wealth creation offshore, leaving us as China's quarry desperately hoping they keep buying coal. We filled the economic gap with debt, running down infrastructure and asset price inflation.

Once you accept that, the rest's pretty straightforward. The ultimate example of "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and one that, rationally, both sides of politics ought find common ground on since it's not to anyone's benefit in the long term.

its called globalism shifting one industry to another country
, the housing shortage is caused but endless migration some 700k plus last 12 months over 300k in the first 3 months alone according to the government's own ABS, causing massive slogging up of hospitals and government not building new ones.

the climate has nothing to do with any of this except for utter stupid politicians and endless red tape

you know humans are the largest driver of the so-called hoax of climate change, why do Western countries have to keep accepting millions of millions a year yet we have to meet net zero?
why are nonwestern countries allowed to omit all they want? if trash like renewables were any good why don't those countries invest in those or nuclear or even clean coal technology, over old-tech coal?

believing the world is end ending is like believing that Santa delivers presents to the majority of households every year at chrismas time

 

[mullokintyre]

 

[basilio]

Couldn't resist the second one.

 

[noirua]

Global Cooling continues in the UK as the summer month of June is one of the coldest on record.

Met Office issues weather warning as more thunderstorms sweep country

Temperatures across the country today will range from 11C to 14C, with cloudy skies and rain in most areas.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The South Pole is absolutely freezing. https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/antarctica/south-pole

To justify Global Cooling has arrived:
After analyzing more than 30 years of satellite data, NASA researchers have found that the coldest temperature ever recorded on Earth — -135.8 F — happened in East Antarctica on Aug. 10, 2010. The same location came close to beating that record on July 31 with temperatures plummeting to -135.3 F.

Antarctica sets record for coldest temperature on Earth

NASA satellite data revealed that the coldest recorded temperature on Earth occurred on Aug. 10, 2010, when it dropped to -135.8 F off a ridge in the East Antarctic Plateau. Image courtesy of Ted Scambos/National Snow and Ice Data Center No amount of layering will help with this sub-zero...

www.pbs.org

 

[moXJO]

its called globalism shifting one industry to another country
, the housing shortage is caused but endless migration some 700k plus last 12 months over 300k in the first 3 months alone according to the government's own ABS, causing massive slogging up of hospitals and government not building new ones.

the climate has nothing to do with any of this except for utter stupid politicians and endless red tape

you know humans are the largest driver of the so-called hoax of climate change, why do Western countries have to keep accepting millions of millions a year yet we have to meet net zero?
why are nonwestern countries allowed to omit all they want? if trash like renewables were any good why don't those countries invest in those or nuclear or even clean coal technology, over old-tech coal?

believing the world is end ending is like believing that Santa delivers presents to the majority of households every year at chrismas time

The great hoax of "per capita". Let's lower our emissions by importing in millions of people. We can fudge numbers on so many political metrics that way.

 

[moXJO]

Interesting. We "had" to offshore to China ? Perhaps another way of seeing it was that industries discovered they could pick up whatever widgets they needed far cheaper in China than they could make in the US/Australia. They still made their profits , and then more, and didn't have to worry about employing people.

The poor pollution controls in China ? Absolutely. China suffered from disastrous pollution fuelled by this intensive industrialisation. Should The West have taken firmer action to ensure pollution controls in China were adequate to protect the environment and peoples health ? Hell, just achieving that goal in our own countries was a mammoth effort given the constant fights against businesses complaining about such greenie sentiments.

In that context it's so interesting to see Western reaction to China's current push to move decisively to cleaner production and renewable energy and technology industry. How positive has it been ?

How China Became the World’s Leader on Renewable Energy​

China has achieved stunning growth in its installed renewable capacity over the last two decades, far outpacing the rest of the world. But to end its continued dependence on fossil fuels, it must now move ahead with planned reforms to its national electricity system.

By Isabel Hilton • March 13, 2024

Last November, Chinese climate envoy Xie Zhenhua and U.S. climate envoy John Kerry shook hands on a pledge to triple renewable energy globally by 2030. It was hailed as a welcome revival of climate cooperation between the world’s biggest and second-biggest emitters of greenhouse gases and offered hope that the two veteran climate negotiators had found a way through a blizzard of negative diplomatic exchanges to keep alive the prospects for greater global ambition on tackling climate change.

In one key sector essential to that ambition, however, the Chinese government can argue, with some justification, that it is China, not the United States, that is in the lead. In a world in which national climate targets are being missed, the speed and scale of expansion in China’s installed renewable capacity is unmatched.

In 2020, for example, China pledged to reach 1,200 gigawatts of renewables capacity by 2030, more than double its capacity at that time. At its present pace, it will meet that target by 2025, and could boast as much as 1,000 gigawatts of solar power alone by the end of 2026, an achievement that would make a substantial contribution to the 11,000 gigawatts of installed renewable capacity that the world needs to meet the 2030 targets of the Paris Agreement. Fossil fuels now make up less than half of China’s total installed generation capacity, a dramatic reduction from a decade ago when fossil fuels accounted for two-thirds of its power capacity.



When the International Energy Authority issued its assessment of the pledge to triple renewables globally by 2030, it pointed out that the 50 percent increase in global renewable installations in 2023 was largely driven by China. In 2022, China installed roughly as much solar photovoltaic capacity as the rest of the world combined, then went on in 2023 to double new solar installations, increase new wind capacity by 66 percent, and almost quadruple additions of energy storage.

For the past two decades, China has been notorious as the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, a country that also uses as much heavily polluting coal as the rest of the world combined. How did it also become the world’s renewable powerhouse?

Part of the answer goes back to investment decisions made in the mid-2000s when China’s decades-long phase of rapid GDP growth was coming to an end. Labor costs were rising, and China’s development model, with its overwhelming dependence on coal, had plunged China into multiple crises of air, soil, and water pollution. In the first decade of this century, China’s emissions more than doubled, and by 2006 it had overtaken the U.S. to earn the unwelcome title of the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases by volume.

China’s leadership was alert to the negative diplomatic impacts of being the world’s worst polluter, especially in those countries most vulnerable to climate impacts. At the same time, China’s own exposure to climate change effects, on top of its escalating pollution crisis and the public unrest it was generating, was becoming a significant topic in Beijing’s top-level policy discussions. China’s planners were looking for investments that would create an opportunity for a more advanced technological future, and this coincided with the need to clean up China’s environment and the global effort to cut emissions. All this pointed to supporting the development of the renewable technologies the world would need if it was to avoid climate catastrophe.

In the next and every subsequent five-year plan, China made strategic investments in all aspects of renewable technologies, from solar and wind capacity, green hydrogen, and geothermal projects to research and investment in battery storage and its supply chains. In the first phase of its rapid industrial development starting in the 1990s, China had been obliged to license technologies owned by others. Now the strategic ambition was to dominate the field, positioning China as the global supplier of goods to an increasingly carbon-constrained world.

How China Became the World’s Leader on Renewable Energy

China has achieved stunning growth in its installed renewable capacity over the last two decades, far outpacing the rest of the world. But to end its continued dependence on fossil fuels, it must now move ahead with planned reforms to its national electricity system.

e360.yale.edu

Had to.... Think local is going to survive in the face of such a discrepancy in price?
Who is the greatest polluter in the world by emissions released?
You are a polluter apologist.

China fished out the oceans including across the Galapagos Islands. Let's not pretend with bs articles because they funnel so much money into Yale. You can go all the way back to a decade ago as well.

US investigates Harvard and Yale over foreign funding

The elite universities are asked to disclose details of gifts from Saudi Arabia and China.

www.google.com.au

Chinese Real Estate Billionaire Couple Donates $10 Mln For Yale Scholarships

A foundation set up by one of China’s most philanthropic couples has donated $10 million for scholarships for Chinese students to attend Yale University. The SOHO China Foundation, set up by real estate developer Soho China co-founders Pan Shiyi and Zhang Xin, announced in July that it would...

www.forbes.com

 

[wayneL]

No comment necessary

 

[mullokintyre]

Every nation other than China and India have decreased coal consumption.
In the case of the US, in 65 the US was 300% higher than Europe.
Today, uSA emits less than Europe.
Don't think Australia even can be seen on this scale.
Mick

 

[basilio]

No country in the world comes close to matching China's development of renewable energy.
There are two sides to every coin.

China building twice as much wind and solar power as rest of world – report​

Country on track reach 1,200GW of installed wind and solar capacity by end of 2024 – six years ahead of Beijing’s target

The amount of wind and solar power under construction in China is now nearly twice as much as the rest of the world combined, a report has found.

Research published on Thursday by Global Energy Monitor (GEM), an NGO, found that China has 180 gigawatts (GW) of utility-scale solar power under construction and 15GW of wind power. That brings the total of wind and solar power under construction to 339GW, well ahead of the 40GW under construction in the US.

The researchers only looked at solar farms with a capacity of 20MW or more, which feed directly into the grid. That means that the total volume of solar power in China could be much higher, as small scale solar farms account for about 40% of China’s solar capacity.

The findings underscore China’s leading position in global renewable energy production at a time when the US is increasingly worried about Chinese overcapacity and dumping, particularly in the solar industry.

China building two-thirds of world’s wind and solar projects

Country on track reach 1,200GW of installed wind and solar capacity by end of 2024 – six years ahead of Beijing’s target

www.theguardian.com

 

[mullokintyre]

No country in the world comes close to matching China's development of renewable energy.
There are two sides to every coin.

China building twice as much wind and solar power as rest of world – report​

Country on track reach 1,200GW of installed wind and solar capacity by end of 2024 – six years ahead of Beijing’s target

The amount of wind and solar power under construction in China is now nearly twice as much as the rest of the world combined, a report has found.

Research published on Thursday by Global Energy Monitor (GEM), an NGO, found that China has 180 gigawatts (GW) of utility-scale solar power under construction and 15GW of wind power. That brings the total of wind and solar power under construction to 339GW, well ahead of the 40GW under construction in the US.

The researchers only looked at solar farms with a capacity of 20MW or more, which feed directly into the grid. That means that the total volume of solar power in China could be much higher, as small scale solar farms account for about 40% of China’s solar capacity.

The findings underscore China’s leading position in global renewable energy production at a time when the US is increasingly worried about Chinese overcapacity and dumping, particularly in the solar industry.

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China building two-thirds of world’s wind and solar projects

Country on track reach 1,200GW of installed wind and solar capacity by end of 2024 – six years ahead of Beijing’s target

www.theguardian.com

I had to read that three times.
If there is 180GW of solar power under construction, and 15 GW of Wind, , thats a total of 195 gW of wind and solar under construction.
So where does the figure quoted of 338.9 GW of wind and solar under construction under construction come from??
Mick

 

[basilio]

Getting very warm in the US.
If you read past the headline one can appreciate how the widespread nature of the current heat wave

Las Vegas sets record for number of days over 115F amid its ‘most extreme heatwave in history’​

City hits all-time high of 120F as officials set up emergency cooling centers at community centers across south Nevada

Las Vegas sets record for number of days over 115F amid its ‘most extreme heatwave in history’

City hits all-time high of 120F as officials set up emergency cooling centers at community centers across south Nevada

www.theguardian.com

I had to read that three times.
If there is 180GW of solar power under construction, and 15 GW of Wind, , thats a total of 195 gW of wind and solar under construction.
So where does the figure quoted of 338.9 GW of wind and solar under construction under construction come from??
Mick

Good pick up Mick. The Guardian made a mistake in its reporting. The Wind generation is actually 159 GW. They dropped the nine. I went back to the original source.

China is cementing its position as the global leader in renewables development with 180 GW of utility-scale solar and 159 GW of wind power already under construction, twice as much as the rest of the world combined, and enough to power all of South Korea, according to new data Global Energy Monitor (GEM). The 339 GW of utility-scale solar and wind that have reached the construction stage accounts for one-third of all proposed wind and solar capacity in China, far surpassing the global construction rate of just 7%, according to GEM’s latest Global Solar Power Tracker and Global Wind Power Tracker updates.1 The stark contrast in construction rates illustrates the active nature of China’s commitment to building renewables projects.

China continues to lead the world in wind and solar, with twice as much capacity under construction as the rest of the world combined

China is cementing its position as the global leader in renewables development with180 GW of utility-scale solar and 159 GW of wind power already under construction1 .The total of the two is nearly twice as much as the rest of the world combined, andenough to power all of South Korea, according...

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