Many will argue with that.Yep. The earths climate has gone through many changes. The PETM period would have been one period that resulted in mass extinctions because of the very sharp increases in temperature.
The Medieval Warm period? Yes a warm time but on known records certainly not as warm as current temperatures.
Medieval Period Was Warmer Than Expected - Antarctica Journal
One of the most common arguments of those skeptical of global warming is that the Medieval Warm Period (800-1400 AD) was as warm as or warmer than today. Using this as proof to say that we cannot be the cause of current global warming is a faulty notion based upon rhetoric rather than science...www.antarcticajournal.com
Many will argue with that.
Here are four articles that suggest that the Medieval period was indeed warmer than today.
Springer
Nature This one used Coral Cores to work out its results - How Topical.
Cambridge
AGU
I would also note that until that charlatan Michel Mann came up with his Hockey Stick, the IPCC had the MWP as warmer than today.
But then subsequent versions managed to eliminate it.
Mick
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Given the short duration of records its not known if this is a problem....
Cupla things.The scary part about the massive loss of sea ice cover is the resultant massive increase in heating of the Antarctic.
Sea ice reflects sunlight and protects the water beneath it from warming. With no ice the sun pours millions of watts into the ocean raising surface temperatures and accelerating the loss of the remaining ice packs.
This is one of the global warming tipping points
There are two unstated but obvious inference you make.From the scientific evidence Mick the rapid loss of sea ice will have a grave effect on the environment around the poles as well as substantially increasing the amount of heat in the oceans.
It also highlights the rapidly changing climate which is clearly affected by elevated temperatures.
Cherry picking one Antarctic station for temperatures ? How about considering the rising temperatures in water all around the ice shelves as evidence of what is happening
Five Facts to Help You Understand Sea Ice – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
Sea ice plays an important role in regulating our climate. Here are five facts to help you better understand Arctic sea ice.climate.nasa.gov Why Sea Ice Matters
In the Arctic, sea ice is a way of life—from the animals that depend on it for breeding, shelter, and food, to the people who rely on hunting for their livelihoods.nsidc.org Warm surface waters increase Antarctic ice shelf melt and delay dense water formation - Communications Earth & Environment
Excessively warm and fresh surface water along the Amery Ice Shelf, Antarctica, in 2017 led to more ice melt and delayed dense water formation, according to analyses of in situ observations.www.nature.com
I just pointed out that there it is questionable to say there is a loss of sea ice.From the scientific evidence Mick the rapid loss of sea ice will have a grave effect on the environment around the poles as well as substantially increasing the amount of heat in the oceans.
How is the climate rapidly changing? And if it is, how on earth can you state that it is clearly affected by elevated temperatures when so far there has been almost no elevated temperatures.It also highlights the rapidly changing climate which is clearly affected by elevated temperatures.
Geez, thats a bit harsh. Antarctica is not exactly replete with weather sstations.Cherry picking one Antarctic station for temperatures ? How about considering the rising temperatures in water all around the ice shelves as evidence of what is happening
Why Sea Ice Matters
In the Arctic, sea ice is a way of life—from the animals that depend on it for breeding, shelter, and food, to the people who rely on hunting for their livelihoods.nsidc.org Warm surface waters increase Antarctic ice shelf melt and delay dense water formation - Communications Earth & Environment
Excessively warm and fresh surface water along the Amery Ice Shelf, Antarctica, in 2017 led to more ice melt and delayed dense water formation, according to analyses of in situ observations.www.nature.com
John F. Clauser, winner of the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on quantum mechanics, has decided to sign the World Climate Declaration of Clintel with its central message “there is no climate emergency”. Clauser is the second Nobel Laureate to sign the declaration, Dr. Ivar Giaever was the first. The number of scientists and experts signing the World Climate Declaration is growing rapidly and now approaching 1600 people.
Clauser has publicly distanced himself from climate alarmism and this year he also joined the Board of Directors of the CO2 Coalition. In the announcement by the CO2 Coalition, Clauser was quoted in the following way:
“The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people. Misguided climate science has metastasized into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience. In turn, the pseudoscience has become a scapegoat for a wide variety of other unrelated ills. It has been promoted and extended by similarly misguided business marketing agents, politicians, journalists, government agencies, and environmentalists. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s large population and an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science.”
Over the past 3 winters we have been told by the RFS that it was too WET to reduce the fuel load, last week I read that this winter it was too DRY to reduce the loadView attachment 161553
Climate change is causing devastating fires around the world, say top government officials, influential scientists, and the world’s largest newspapers. Greece’s civil protection minister said climate change was causing the fires in Greece, Hawaii, and Canada. Climate change is increasing average temperatures that dry out wood and create fire weather. “The only way to prevent these events from becoming more frequent and more intense,” said climate scientist Michael Mann, “is to prevent the continued warming of the planet.”
And yet the amount of area burned annually by fire has declined over the last quarter-century. The area burned declined by an astonishing 25% between 2003 and 2019, according to NASA. That trend has continued since, noted Bjorn Lomborg in the Wall Street Journal. Last year, there was a record-low area burned. There is little doubt about the trend because the emissions from wildfires have also declined globally since 2003.
What’s more, the best science does not attribute fires to climate change. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), notes the climate change and disasters expert, Roger Pielke, Jr. “has not detected or attributed fire occurrence or area burned to human-caused climate change.” According to the IPCC, the most important factor in fire is not the weather but rather “human activities,” both land management and the starting of fires by humans.
Few leaders, experts, and journalists, including us at Public, doubt climate change has some influence. All else being equal, warmer weather will dry out wood fuel more. The problem is that all else is never equal, and other factors matter much more, as fires in Greece, California, and Hawaii all show.
In a recent and comprehensive scientific review of the literature, eight scientists concluded that there was an increase in area burned in Greece. But, they stressed, scientists “could not attribute a direct causal relationship to climate change, citing various factors such as changes in fire causes due to social, economic and land management changes, as well as fuel accumulation due to the abandonment of the countryside.”
In the most comprehensive scientific study of how to prevent uncontrollable forest fires in Greece, scientists emphasize the need for better forest management in the form of selective logging and prescribed burning to reduce wood fuel load. Six scientists from around the world concluded that “since increasing fuel loads and continuity represent the main factor responsible for the recent catastrophic wind-driven fire events in Greece… our results can…reduce fire spread to the wildland-urban interface and protected areas.”
And putting out fires before they spread can also prevent uncontrollable forest fires. On this account, the governments of Greece, Canada, and Hawaii all failed not only to prevent fires but also to properly respond to fires once they started.
All of this should be obvious to the government officials, climate scientists, and journalists who have spent all summer misattributing fires in Canada, Hawaii, and Europe to climate change. It took me under 30 minutes to find and read the best-available, free-to-read scientific papers on the fires in Greece on Google Scholar. It was a simple task for Pielke to summarize the IPCC. And it wasn’t hard for Lomborg to update the NASA data.
Why, then, do governments, scientists, and journalists constantly get forest fires so wrong?
(I think they're running with the State of Fear playbook)
It's pretty hard to go from too wet to too dry without passing through a period when it's just right.Over the past 3 winters we have been told by the RFS that it was too WET to reduce the fuel load, last week I read that this winter it was too DRY to reduce the load
Well, I suppose it could be said that it was summer time so no burning then, but I live in an area where there is lots of wildlife.It's pretty hard to go from too wet to too dry without passing through a period when it's just right.
Having lived in the the trop[ics for a few years, the humidity can be quite sapping.
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