Knobby22
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Somewhat off topic but I contend that pretty much all of society's key institutions are at least somewhat tarnished at this point in time.Having deployed on multiple UN peace keeping and peace making operations, which have all had very good intentions, I am ashamed of what the UN has become as a global body.
This is proven to be scientifically false.As discussed and argued here on ASF eons ago, it is absolutely y12 level education to prove current levels of CO2 or even a 10% increase can not in any way bring a significant increase of temperature.
There is zero profit in reporting on climate.It does not mean climate is not warming or any temp increase if any man made. It does not mean it is good to burn fossil fuels, etc..
But pretending preventing any climate warming..(if it is real it is now very hard to get unrigged data.), by reducing CO2 human emissions, is lunacy...and scientific fraud but too much profits involved
Yet it is actually you who seems unaware of basic physics.Shameful but our government are shameless with the misuse of sciences..
Why have you no capacity to use science in your posts?The Communist Republic of the United Nations is a joke. I'm gutted.
Having deployed on multiple UN peace keeping and peace making operations, which have all had very good intentions, I am ashamed of what the UN has become as a global body.
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Why hasn’t the head of the United Nations been forced out of – indeed, laughed out of – office already?
UN secretary-general António Guterres – who used to be just another hack European socialist, bent on destroying their own country, in his case Portugal, before upgrading to aiming at global destruction – solemnly announced we had entered the era of “global boiling”.
Just a tad hyperbolic, just a smidgen of hysteria, there?
And going right off the climate cult script.
Didn’t he get the memo?
We had to move on from the original ‘global warming’ to the repackaged ‘climate change’, precisely because it has been hard to sustain the claim that the planet had actually, well, warmed.
Or have iconic rock formations of your youth revisited 50 years later to prove there is no rising of the sea level.But why bother with physics when you just need to look at thermometer readings which will show July to be the hottest year in recorded history.
There is zero profit in reporting on climate.
The rate of increase in warming is unprecedented.
Global - 150k years:
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Near vertical from 1850 to present (in red).
Or this:
Global temperatures over last 24,000 years show today's warming 'unprecedented'
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And of course sea levels are not rising because satellites don't exist, or we would this posted by intellectual giants:
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Another graph that highlights world wide temperature variations in the last 1700 years
1700 years of Temperature from Proxy Data | GlobalChange.gov
Changes in the temperature of the Northern Hemisphere from surface observations (in red) and from proxies (in black; uncertainty range represented by shading) relative to 1961-1990 average temperature. These analyses suggest that current temperatures are higher than seen globally in at least the...www.globalchange.gov
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That graph seems to represent about a 2.5 degree change from the bottom of the LIA. Possibly 3. Why is there a difference in the 'official' graphs on temp? I thought we'd just got to 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels.
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The graph I posted earlier is measuring degrees F. The above graph is in degrees C. I believe they will show (near) identical outcomes
Yes, sorry, missed that. The IPCC use C don't they? The F graph you put up certainly looks catastrophic.
The physical reality of what this increase in temperature is doing to the ecosystems, climate and so on.
MickJohn Christy, a professor of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, said heatwaves in the first half of the 20th century were at least as intense as those of more recent decades based on consistent, long-term weather stations going back over a century.
“I haven‘t seen anything yet this summer that’s an all time record for these long term stations, 1936 still holds by far the record for the most number of stations with the hottest ever temperatures,” he told The Australian, referring to the year of a great heatwave in North America that killed thousands.
Professor Christy said an explosion of the number of weather stations in the US and around the world had made historical comparisons difficult because some stations only went back a few years; meanwhile, creeping urbanisation had subjected existing weather stations to additional heat.
“In Houston, for example, in the centre it is now between 6 and 9 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the surrounding countryside,” he explained in an interview with The Australian.
Major newspapers from the Washington Post to the London Times have reported July as the hottest month on record after the average global daily temperature last month surpassed 17 C – around 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels – based on satellite data compiled by the University of Maine.
“We’re just really starting to see climate change kick in,” Nathan Lenssen, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Colorado, told the Washington Post last month.
Karsten Haustein, a climate scientist at Leipzig University, told the Times that July was “outrageously warm” and may have been the warmest month since the Eemian interglacial period, about 120,000 years ago.
The IMF cancelled a scheduled talk by Nobel prize winner John Clauser last week after he publicly stated: “I can confidently say there is no real climate crisis, and that climate change does not cause extreme weather events.”
Professor Christy, conceding a slight warming trend over the last 45 years, said July could be the warmest month on record based on global temperatures measured by satellites – “just edging out 1998” – but such measures only went back to 1979.
Professor Mass said the climate was “radically warmer” around 1000 years ago during what’s known as the Medieval Warm Period, when agriculture thrived in parts of now ice-covered Greenland.
“If you really go back far enough there were swamps near the North Pole, and the other thing to keep in mind is that we‘re coming out of a cold period, a Little Ice Age from roughly 1600 to 1850”.
“Global warming, it‘s a serious issue, but it’s a slow issue, it’s not an existential threat,” he added, suggesting human activities may have added up to one degree Celsius to average temperatures since the 1980s.
If you understood the concept of an increasing rate of change you would know it had nothing to do with the X and Y axis.'Near vertical from 1850' will depend on the X and Y axis of the charts used.
Not true as the data shows it was cooler from 1500 to 1700. Nor is there an iota of scientific evidence that there was any "natural cycling".Please remember 1850 was the bottom of the LIA, and we've potentially just naturally cycled up from that low point.
This has been well explained, so another falsehood. You seem to have no idea of the role of aerosols in mitigating temperature increases.We also inexplicably went through a cooling phase from 1940 to 1975 where industrial development went through the roof after WW2.
There's actually a strong positive correlation, and here's where you could have gone to learn something:Perhaps there's a time lag in CO2 and temperature.
When did central England's temperature record equate to the planets?As far as going 'vertical', as you can see from the CET temperature record, it actually went way more vertical from 1700-1730.
UAH and RSS use exactly the same data source, but adopt different methodologies (algorithms). Neither reflects the surface temperature (HADCRUT charted below).Just about the only trusted temperature record I follow is the UAH satellite data, because I'm not sure if it can be tampered with or homogenised to cool the past.
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