Resisting Climate Hysteria

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Hey Kahu...
Max Plank years ago helped me, long after he was dead... In one of those throw away insightful lines that true genius just matter of factually state...(sic) 'you can't change their minds. You have to wait for them to die and only then a new understanding becomes the understood reality'

apologies Max that was a crap remembering.

 

[Logique]

Yeah not to mention Greenland this year.
The North pole ice melt is well documented
Governments accepted the science for Covid 19....CC far greater consequences.

There are some very clever people at the top of the climate alarmism pyramid. It's been very noticeable with Covid-19, no similar attempts at half-truth, misinformation and cherry-picked science. The impacts of a fast moving pandemic are too immediate, not enough wriggle room compared to the geological time of climate change.
In any case the short term decisions of governments have suited the climate alarmist elites very well. It nudges society in the direction they want. And as a bonus, filthy capitalism copping it in the neck over at the stock exchange.

 

[Boggo]

Reality ??

 

[Logique]

NSW Teachers union on 'the Science':

Climate Change - respect the science, take a day off school kids, all good
Covid 19 - ignore the science, we're not going back to work

Down and further down the international literacy rankings we slip

 

[rederob]

There are some very clever people at the top of the climate alarmism pyramid.

What evidence are you offering for there being a pyramid or, for that matter, what "alarmism" means?

 

[Logique]

We're getting back to normal transmission,
bickering on the politics and climate change threads, to the exasperation of our long suffering host Joe.
I understand every effort is being made to ban this recent movie release. Censorship is how the warmists operate. This is necessary when you have a flawed case.

"..Hurry, See "Planet of the Humans," Before It’s Banned
Myron Ebell • April 24, 2020: https://cei.org/blog/hurry-see-planet-humans-it’s-banned
Planet of the Humans, the new documentary film from director Jeff Gibbs and executive producer Michael Moore, contains a stunning evisceration of so-called green energy and the people profiting from it...
..Every type of green energy is exposed as phony, useless, and inextricably dependent on fossil fuel production and large-scale hardrock mining..."

 

[rederob]

We're getting back to normal transmission,
bickering on the politics and climate change threads, to the exasperation of our long suffering host Joe.
I understand every effort is being made to ban this recent movie release. Censorship is how the warmists operate. This is necessary when you have a flawed case.

Some here look at the science, and for evidence when strange views are presented.
Sadly, much of this thread is dedicated to pseudoscience and repetition of debunked claims.
A documentary which gets so many facts wrong might be banned because it's unworthy, but it is of no merit and, therefore, of no consequence to climate science.

 

[moXJO]

What are the thoughts on the film?
I'm surprised Moore went that way.

 

[rederob]

"..Hurry, See "Planet of the Humans," Before It’s Banned
Myron Ebell • April 24, 2020: https://cei.org/blog/hurry-see-planet-humans-it’s-banned
Planet of the Humans, the new documentary film from director Jeff Gibbs and executive producer Michael Moore, contains a stunning evisceration of so-called green energy and the people profiting from it...
..Every type of green energy is exposed as phony, useless, and inextricably dependent on fossil fuel production and large-scale hardrock mining..."

I forgot to offer evidence - my bad.
Heres' a faultless refutation of some claims.
I mentioned repetition, so here's more.
This and this offer more criticisms, plus links, where every misstep is brought to account.
Why ban something that is so flawed it reminds the science community of why it has purpose

 

[moXJO]

I forgot to offer evidence - my bad.
Heres' a faultless refutation of some claims.
I mentioned repetition, so here's more.
This and this offer more criticisms, plus links, where every misstep is brought to account.
Why ban something that is so flawed it reminds the science community of why it has purpose

Wow those links you posted didn't really have much to them. And if this statement is anything to go by:
"we trusted Michael Moore’s track record of releasing quality films that are factually accurate."
Then they are seriously brain dead rebuttals.

Moore is a hack as is most of his docos.

I'm not going to bother watching it but if he is talking of the corporations bleeding money from environmentalists similar to what I was talking about before he is spot on.

 

[rederob]

Wow those links you posted didn't really have much to them. And if this statement is anything to go by:
"we trusted Michael Moore’s track record of releasing quality films that are factually accurate."
Then they are seriously brain dead rebuttals.

You are not very good at posting factual information and prefer distortions.
The next paragraph said "We are disheartened and dismayed to report that the film is full of misinformation (1, 2, 3, 4) - so much so that for half a day we removed the film from the site."
If that's the best you can do then it says a lot.

 

[moXJO]

You are not very good at posting factual information and prefer distortions.
The next paragraph said "We are disheartened and dismayed to report that the film is full of misinformation (1, 2, 3, 4) - so much so that for half a day we removed the film from the site."
If that's the best you can do then it says a lot.

Um no I was indicating that Fatty is consistently terrible in all his docos and to suggest otherwise is some real cherry picking.

 

[rederob]

Um no I was indicating that Fatty is consistently terrible in all his docos and to suggest otherwise is some real cherry picking.

Ok... you rely on your opinion.
Some of Moore's docos are very insightful, and the reason this one is pulled apart is because it's a trainwreck.

 

[moXJO]

Ok... you rely on your opinion.
Some of Moore's docos are very insightful, and the reason this one is pulled apart is because it's a trainwreck.

It's the same formula, emotive issue- prodded with half truth sticks. Doesn't mean their isn't good info sprinkled through. But he delivers an overall message that more often then not isn't based on actual evidence.
I don't doubt this one is any different. Which is why I was surprised he went against his base.

The only reason this one is a "trainwreck" and not the others, is that it doesn't fit your bias.

 

[rederob]

The only reason this one is a "trainwreck" and not the others, is that it doesn't fit your bias.

I continue to provide evidence, versus your opinions.
You would need to show the science is wrong, but you do not.

 

[moXJO]

I continue to provide evidence, versus your opinions.
You would need to show the science is wrong, but you do not.

If you want to argue his latest movie is as factual as the rest- go ahead. I doubt I'll watch it to argue.

You didn't actually provide any evidence in your links. Just some people's opinions. One you linked to multiple times. You rarely provide evidence elsewhere. But this thread I will concede, you normally give the data. However your zealotry is your blind spot.

 

[rederob]

If you want to argue his latest movie is as factual as the rest- go ahead.

?
I would say the opposite.

You didn't actually provide any evidence in your links. Just some people's opinions. One you linked to multiple times.

This was the link I missed, having just noticed I copied the same one twice.

However your zealotry is your blind spot.

So evidence is zealotry in your book - guess that sums you up.

 

[moXJO]

?
I would say the opposite.

So all the other movies are correct except for this one?

 

[explod]

"https://grist.org/climate/dont-look...dS6i2w-8rehmlKTBDL7M5Y05XfHSM9MYOjPrTGiM1EE0E"

 

[orr]

Considering the topic...
Considering the timing(US election cycle)...
Considering Moore is no 'dill'...
Considering who Moore's got on board to do the early promotion, Colbert and others, not 'dills"

I just think there's a bigger game being played with 'planet 'o' da hoomans'
I could be wrong... have been in the past...
But 'my oh my' wouldn't you look silly to have been played like a fiddle.