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Resisting Climate Hysteria

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overhang said:
All of who you mention support AGW. It seems they all disagree with the modeling.
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Absolutely, which is the position of almost all moderates, including myself. But it earns the title of " denier" from y'all
 
overhang said:
I thought you don't accept AGW? Many skeptics don't.
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I don't accept the alarmist position on climate change, but I have stated my position numerous times here.

It is the appalling tactics of the likes of basilio and plod to label it as denial.
 
wayneL said:
Absolutely, which is the position of almost all moderates, including myself. But it earns the title of " denier" from y'all
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"MODERATE", starrruth! a bit on the extreme to this ole black duck.

But then there are weather watcher's and there are weather watcher's.
 
wayneL said:
I don't accept the alarmist position on climate change, but I have stated my position numerous times here.

It is the appalling tactics of the likes of basilio and plod to label it as denial.
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What do you consider an alarmist position? Do you think any action is required?
 
Wayne I believe you totally lost me as "moderate" re AGW at two points

1) In 2012 Dr Mueller finished his reappraisal of all global temperature records and said that in fact the world climate scientists and meteorlogists were correct. This was significant insofor as previously Dr Mueller was a pin up for the sceptic side of ADW. However when his research simply confirmed what all the other climate scientists were saying - he was immediately tarred as "in it for the grant money". Stunning really.

2) In 2014-5-6 the world experienced exceptional increases in average global temperature and off the wall increases in the polar regions. If there was ever an occasion for those with beliefs in "moderate" global warming to reconsider their position that was it. However you, in step with the Judith Curries et all, attempted to just deny the veracity of the temperature increases and make totally fictious claims about dodgy temperature records.
 
overhang said:
What do you consider an alarmist position? Do you think any action is required?
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1/ Anyone making representations not supported by empirical data and/or retrospectively and fraudulently adjusts data to create an illusion of a trend not supported by empirical data... Gore, Hanson, Schmidt, Mann, Romm for example.

2/ I think any action to reduce pollution is worthwhile. I think the current predeliction that demonises fossil fuels may prove to be counter-productive, both in terms of economics and ecology.

However, I believe replacement of fossil fuels on a reasonable basis is a good goal, for a couple of reasons not related to co2 emissions
 
Logique said:
Fake sceptics - don't be conned folks
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Interesting how such things, this, and the only the alarmist version of the purported science, are uncritically accepted by the Komrades.
 

Thanks for the reply. That sounds quite pragmatic and on many levels I agree.
 
Maybe this news is sufficient to reconsider drastic steps to reduce world wide CO2 emissions. Or we could just wait... and wait..

Global atmospheric CO2 levels hit record high
UN warns that drastic action is needed to meet climate targets set in the Paris agreement


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Jonathan Watts and agencies

Monday 30 October 2017 13.06 GMT First published on Monday 30 October 2017 11.23 GMT

The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere increased at record speed last year to hit a level not seen for more than three million years, the UN has warned.

The new report has raised alarm among scientists and prompted calls for nations to consider more drastic emissions reductions at the upcoming climate negotiations in Bonn.

“Globally averaged concentrations of CO2 reached 403.3 parts per million (ppm) in 2016, up from 400.00 ppm in 2015 because of a combination of human activities and a strong El Niño event,” according to The Greenhouse Gas Bulletin, the UN weather agency’s annual flagship report.

This acceleration occurred despite a slowdown – and perhaps even a plateauing – of emissions because El Niño intensified droughts and weakened the ability of vegetation to absorb carbon dioxide. As the planet warms, El Niños are expected to become more frequent.

The increase of 3.3 ppm is considerably higher than both the 2.3 ppm rise of the previous 12 months and the average annual increase over the past decade of 2.08ppm. It is also well above the previous big El Niño year of 1998, when the rise was 2.7 ppm.

The study, which uses monitoring ships, aircraft and stations on the land to track emissions trends since 1750, said carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is now increasing 100 times faster than at the end of the last ice age due to population growth, intensive agriculture, deforestation and industrialisation.


The last time Earth experienced similar CO2 concentration rates was during the Pliocene era (three to five million years ago), when the sea level was up to 20m higher than now.

The authors urged policymakers to step up countermeasures to reduce the risk of global warming exceeding the Paris climate target of between 1.5C and 2C.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/oct/30/global-atmospheric-co2-levels-hit-record-high
 
Anyone ever hear of ecosexuals?
The images are exactly how I imagine basket weavers to be.
 
While the world is waiting is understand just exactly how serious global warming could become the range of scenarios that are unfolding in the our childrens lifetime is looking even more "character building".

Well worth reading.

The three-degree world: the cities that will be drowned by global warming
The UN is warning that we are now on course for 3C of global warming. This will ultimately redraw the map of the world

Friday 3 November 2017 06.45 GMT Last modified on Friday 3 November 2017 15.12 GMT


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When UN climate negotiators meet for summit talks this month, there will be a new figure on the table: 3C.

Until now, global efforts such as the Paris climate agreement have tried to limit global warming to 2C above pre-industrial levels. However, with latest projections pointing to an increase of 3.2C by 2100, these goals seem to be slipping out of reach.

“[We] still find ourselves in a situation where we are not doing nearly enough to save hundreds of millions of people from a miserable future,” said Erik Solheim, the UN environment chief, ahead of the upcoming Bonn conference.

One of the biggest resulting threats to cities around the world is sea-level rise, caused by the expansion of water at higher temperatures and melting ice sheets on the north and south poles.

Scientists at the non-profit organisation Climate Central estimate that 275 million people worldwide live in areas that will eventually be flooded at 3C of global warming.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/...ee-degree-world-cities-drowned-global-warming
 
Headlines keep banging on about temperature and rising sea levels and yes they are a problem and yes the obfuscation augments about CO2's role not to mention that idiot Abbott's contribution warmer is great news for the cold regions less people will die.............only problem is most people live in the warm bits.

And yet the end game is ocean acidification or the sight fall in the worlds oceans pH there is no argument against the fact that it takes out humanity and most of all other life on the planet as we know it.

CO2's is the culprit, of course this is all warmest religion , a left wing plot, UN,s take over the world grand plan.
 
It's interesting how seriously China is taking with regard to protecting Shanghai. The cost of the massive sea walls must be large.·

I can't see New Orleans hiding out. Too many issues and too much money to fix. Maybe they can go the Venice route.
 
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