Resisting Climate Hysteria

[explod]

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...ming-scientists-union-concerned-a8052481.html

"Soon it will be too late to shift course away from our failing trajectory, and time is running out," the letter warns. "We must recognize, in our day-to-day lives and in our governing institutions, that Earth with all its life is our only home."

 

[luutzu]

I'll be interested to hear. I mean if you believe scientists have altered their stance for grants then surely you would be equally open to scientists change in position due to big oil etc payments.

Business people using their money and influence to buy "facts" that further their empire? No way.

But no, big oil and the Kochs of the world can't buy scientists to deny the existence or likely causes of climate change. No scientists could do that kind of fudging the numbers without being laughed at to their faces.

All those scientists-for-hire would do is phrase their research's aim just enough that it's somewhat Climate Science related but won't answer or try to answer the cause/s. This then give them some sense of legitimacy in being a "sceptic".

That's enough count and "scientific vigour" to sow doubt. Then you ramp up the PR machine; say it's some Leftist conspiracy to keep the air and water clean, save people's lives and livelihood "in case" a freak hurricane or moonsoon or drought were to to hit them.

I mean, to have insurance where the premium you pay is new innovation, new jobs, clean air, water... greater reliance on a renewable sources of energy, one that drastically cut out the extra costs of mining, transporting, transmitting the same net energy need?

Why take such risk by insuring at no costs but all gains?

Think of the pipeline corporations; the rail guys; the port operators; the ships that transport all the fossil.

Yea, all those industries and their owners just sit there and permit the likes of Obama or Trudeau and their comrades in Beijing [Moscow no longer has comrades right?] to buy and push scientists and their dastard schemes to not ruin the world.

 

[luutzu]

Genesis. In 3D!

One of the scientists [?] in the trailer said that if we don't believe in the Bible, there are consequences. Bad ones I'm assuming.

So if the world floods again, it will be because humans no longer believe in God and so he no longer hold his promise to Noah that he won't flood his beloved creation again.

 

[Knobby22]

Bill Gates to build a smart city on Arizona.
Getting lots of hate for doing so as he is not a Fox favourite. Mish is funny in the article he wrote below saying he is not a global warming advocate but as the rainfall continues to fall in Arizona due to warming he doubts there will be adequate water for Bill Gates city long term. So Mish you are a global warming advocate when it suits your argument? I have noted this before on other issues and I think he is a secret global warming advocate, after all he isn't dumb. He better be careful or will be blacklisted by the right wing dicks.

It's a worry, the left are just as bad if not worse, you are either completely on our team or you are excommunicated.

Anyway article follows.

https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk/e...d-to-create-smart-city--DoEpqeiCUeMsJPLgmXD7A

 

[Wysiwyg]

Queensland, Australia, 22nd of November 2017. Just walked outside house and quickly returned inside due to cool natural air temperatures. Cool air temperatures that have continued throughout this November 2017 and are not expected this time of year. Meanwhile inTassie which is 1600 klm closer to Antarctica ....

"The weather bureau's Tim Bolden said it was shaping up to be the first time Hobart has recorded six consecutive days on or above 25 degrees Celsius in November in nearly 130 years."

Work that one out.

 

[explod]

Queensland, Australia, 22nd of November 2017. Just walked outside house and quickly returned inside due to cool natural air temperatures. Cool air temperatures that have continued throughout this November 2017 and are not expected this time of year. Meanwhile inTassie which is 1600 klm closer to Antarctica ....

"The weather bureau's Tim Bolden said it was shaping up to be the first time Hobart has recorded six consecutive days on or above 25 degrees Celsius in November in nearly 130 years."

Work that one out.

Easy, warmer at the two poles is causing displacement (in our case from the south) and therefore the increasingly unstable, unpredictable weather. Get used to it as its going to get worse.

 

[Smurf1976]

"The weather bureau's Tim Bolden said it was shaping up to be the first time Hobart has recorded six consecutive days on or above 25 degrees Celsius in November in nearly 130 years."

Work that one out.

Tassie does get hot on occasion, the all time record for Hobart is 41.8, but what we're getting at the moment is abnormal that's for sure.

It's not hot as such, around 30 degrees, but to get that day after day, every day, sure isn't normal.

"Normal" hot weather in Tas means it was hot in SA yesterday and is hot in Vic today with a strong northerly wind blowing the heat down. We get a few such days each summer although in some years literally none - 20 or so years ago there was a summer when it didn't go above 25 right through the entire season. Having warm weather literally every day in November is unprecedented as far as the records go back and I'm very sure that it's one of those things everyone's talking about.

Hobart being warmer than Sydney, Brisbane, Canberra and Perth, and sometimes warmer than Melbourne, is also very unusual. Hot weather normally comes from Victoria after all not the reverse.

Also typical hot weather in Hobart involves a cool change, often extremely fast, later in the day. That's not really happening either - even when the wind does shift to the south it's still pretty warm.

Climate change? I won't claim to know that but it's very unusual weather that's for sure. Tasmanians running their air-conditioners (well, those who have one) to keep cool meanwhile it's cold enough in Qld to turn the heater on.

I'm hearing reports of odd things happening like snakes getting too hot. I always thought they liked the heat but like everyone else down here they wouldn't be used to it happening day after day.

 

[sptrawler]

Easy, warmer at the two poles is causing displacement (in our case from the south) and therefore the increasingly unstable, unpredictable weather. Get used to it as its going to get worse.

Well the upside is, it may give the media something else to talk about, other than SSM and citizenship.

 

[Logique]

We may only hope that the facts will prevail. As facts always prevail against rhetoric. Disclosure of the facts - contrary to the best interests of the state, says the university? What a sick joke..

Winning: UA ordered to surrender emails to skeptics of human-caused climate change
By: Anthony Watts, 8 December 2017
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12...s-to-skeptics-of-human-caused-climate-change/
PHOENIX — The University of Arizona has been ordered to surrender emails by two UA scientists that a group claims will help prove that theories about human-caused climate change are false and part of a conspiracy.

Pima County Superior Court Judge James Marner rejected arguments by the Board of Regents that disclosure of the documents would be “contrary to the best interests of the state.” ...

 

[Logique]

An Engineer, a Mathematician and a “Climate scientist” are each asked “what is 2 + 2?

The Engineer says “somewhere between 3.9 and 4.1”, the Mathematician says “4” and the “Climate scientist” says “what would you like it to be?”

This is the problem we have today. “Climate change” can be anything you want if you are a “follower” ...

Quoted from:
David Bidstrup: What is 2 + 2? An old joke re-told.
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2017/12/15/david-bidstrup-what-is-2-2-an-old-joke-re-told/

 

[cynic]

An Engineer, a Mathematician and a “Climate scientist” are each asked “what is 2 + 2?

The Engineer says “somewhere between 3.9 and 4.1”, the Mathematician says “4” and the “Climate scientist” says “what would you like it to be?”

This is the problem we have today. “Climate change” can be anything you want if you are a “follower” ...

Quoted from:
David Bidstrup: What is 2 + 2? An old joke re-told.
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2017/12/15/david-bidstrup-what-is-2-2-an-old-joke-re-told/

I think that joke does the climate scientist a serious injustice. Every climate scientist knows that the answer can only be the one that supports, and confirms, the AGW theory. Furthermore, those producing a disagreeable answer, are clearly not qualified to practice mathematics.

 

[wayneL]

I think that joke does the climate scientist a serious injustice. Every climate scientist knows that the answer can only be the one that supports, and confirms, the AGW theory. Furthermore, those producing a disagreeable answer, are clearly not qualified to practice mathematics.

They should also be arrested, or blown up or something.

 

[explod]

Arctic global warming so rapid that computer measuring it rejected the results
Algorithm meant to be triggered if there is a fault in Alaskan recording equipment stops temperature recording because measurements were too high.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-rapid-computer-rejected-alaska-a8110941.html

So everything is having a problem with it hey. Maybe we'd do better by accepting the facts and all doing something about it.

 

[orr]

They should also be arrested, or blown up or something.

And so it has descended to this; Don't like the message shoot the messenger ....
Getting a bit hard to bang your square facts into your round holes boys?

Mathematics ??? Great to see the immediately above posters are at least up to speed with an early primary level understanding of the subject... credit where credit due. Are you all getting those coloured(square) rods back in the box Ok? or do you all have personalised round boxes? and that's where to trouble started?

 

[cynic]

And so it has descended to this; Don't like the message shoot the messenger ....
Getting a bit hard to bang your square facts into your round holes boys?

Mathematics ??? Great to see the immediately above posters are at least up to speed with an early primary level understanding of the subject... credit where credit due. Are you all getting those coloured(square) rods back in the box Ok? or do you all have personalised round boxes? and that's where to trouble started?

It is wonderful to see you finally voicing some support for the sceptic camp.

Was that truly your intention?

Orr did you misunderstand the context underlying wayne's response to my post?

 

[orr]

did you misunderstand the context underlying wayne's response to my post?

I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, I must have and I'll admit I still do. So get me up to speed.

If you're still having trouble with the cuiseaire rods I've got a slection of bigger hammers for sale, just drop personal message...

 

[cynic]

I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, I must have and I'll admit I still do. So get me up to speed.
...

You voiced criticism of the messenger shooting practice, and yet you somehow fail to recognise that, on this occasion , wayne's comment was in relation to the plight of the heretical sceptics (not the alarmists).

So, do you need me to assist you further with your rod?

 

[Knobby22]

Arctic global warming so rapid that computer measuring it rejected the results
Algorithm meant to be triggered if there is a fault in Alaskan recording equipment stops temperature recording because measurements were too high.

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...-rapid-computer-rejected-alaska-a8110941.html

So everything is having a problem with it hey. Maybe we'd do better by accepting the facts and all doing something about it.

Yes, interesting and suspicious. Firstly why is there an algorithm to detect high temperature numbers and then delete them?
It's like the government or big oil doesn't want you to know.


Anyway here is another article that you won't see on Fox news or any other Newscorp "news" site.
Seems its a bit warm.

Dec. 10, 2017, at 6:51 p.m.

Alaska Sees Record-High Temperatures in December

JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — An unprecedented heat wave has toppled weather records across Alaska.

The National Weather Service thermometer at Juneau International Airport on Friday hit 54 degrees, tying the highest temperature recorded in December there, the Juneau Empire reported .

The low temperature Thursday in Sitka (53 degrees) was one degree above the previous record high for the day.

"These are some fairly long-standing records that have fallen. Definitely the Sitka temperature you could say that about," said Devid Levin, a general forecaster for the Weather Service in Juneau.

The heat wave in Alaska is due to a big ridge of upper-level high pressure, Levin said. With the jet stream moving to the north, warm air from the tropics has moved north, covering the state.

Records kept by the Weather Service since 1936 say three of the 10 warmest December days in Juneau's history have come in the past week.

 

[orr]

So, do you need me to assist you further with your rod?

My rod seems fine, it measures five and half yards as it always has.
Measurement is an extremely important concept, without it accurate assessment is impossible...

On occasion misinterpretation, as has clearly been exposed by my response to the above, needs to be clarified.
May I suggest that you try with "facts" that don't blow up in your face; you will be much less likely to be 'Blown up' as illuded. ...'Taken out and shot' ...? give me at your leisure as many examples as you have where this technique has proved historically superior to practitionors of scientific method in evaluation of accumulated data in assertaining understanding?..take your time...
Arrested??? well, that applies to a certian psyhcologocical conditioning...one long time observers of this thread are no stanger to.

Bit fuzzy around the length of your rod cynic? best you keep well calibrated. Lest you come undone in all sorts of ways. BHP Billiton(amungst more than a few Others) seem a little closed to those of your particaular 'way' of 'Thinking', I have little doubt why and so do any others with an understanding as to why water boils in a pot and where. All the best...

 

[basilio]

The effects of CC through droughts, heat waves, floods and storms will drive people out of their homes. Where will they go ?

Devastating climate change could lead to 1m migrants a year entering EU by 2100
Researchers plotted temperature rises against the number of asylum applications and are predicting that as the southern hemisphere heats up the number of people migrating to the EU each year will triple

Climate change will drive a huge increase in the number of migrants seeking asylum in Europe if current trends continue, according to a new study.

The number of migrants attempting to settle in Europe each year will triple by the end of the century based on current climate trends alone, independent of other political and economic factors, according to the research. Even if efforts to curb global warming are successful, the number of applications for asylum could rise by a quarter, the authors predict.

Wolfram Schlenker, professor at the school of international and public affairs at Columbia University in New York, and lead author of the study, said: “Europe will see increasing numbers of desperate people fleeing their home countries.”

Bob Ward, policy and communications director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment, at the London School of Economics and Political Science, who was not involved with the report, told the Guardian the results should be taken seriously by policymakers, though current forecasting models frequently fail to take such factors into account.

He said: “This study shows how Europe will be impacted by one of the most serious impacts of climate change. Hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of people will be exposed to coastal sea level rise and shifts in extreme weather that will cause mass migrations away from the most vulnerable locations. We know from human history that such migrations often lead to conflict and war, with devastating consequences. The huge potential costs of migration-related conflict are usually omitted from economic models of climate change impacts in the future.”

Climate change is predicted to result in more droughts, floods, heatwaves, and other extreme weather, as well as more intense storms and rising sea levels. These effects are likely to render agriculture more difficult, if not impossible, across swathes of the globe, including sub-Saharan Africa and parts of Asia.

These effects will also be felt in Europe, but its lower base temperatures, relative prosperity and advanced infrastructure mean the damage could be contained, and make it an attractive destination for migrants.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...e-million-migrants-a-year-entering-eu-by-2100


Just thinking back closer to home. I wonder how Australians will repond when large inland towns become unliveable because of heat and drought ? Or parts of major cities become regularly flooded driving people out of their homes?