Resisting Climate Hysteria

noco · 27 April 2017

Ves said:
No I'd just prefer if it you make an actual argument rather than cherry picking the first random stat that comes up in your Google feed.

I'm not sure if you're completely oblivious to the context of the bird death stat you've been posting or if you're deliberately not posting it because you know it weakens your argument.

Probably doesn't matter, you've got little credibility around here any way.

BS..I don't see any weakness in the information I have presented...You and your Greenie mates just don't like me making as ass out of you all.

You are the one who wants the information about other man made structures, so do you own dirty work.

Who in the hell do you think you are telling me I have no credibility around here which I presume you mean on the ASF?...You really have tickets on your self and must place your self as God all Mighty.

Some old sick trick you pull again....Character assassination is the only way you know when you are behind the 8 ball.

Some mothers do have them unfortunately.

basilio · 27 April 2017

Dr Easterbrook and Global Warming BS

The most interesting part about that video is just how many fallacies, misrepresentations, lies and misunderstandings can be packed into an hour plus presentation.
Check out the analysis below. By the way the Hot Whopper site does a good job of skewering the 1001 most repeated zombie denial statements
HotWhopper
Global warming and climate change.
Eavesdropping on the deniosphere, its weird pseudo-science and crazy conspiracy whoppers.

Thursday, September 26, 2013
Denier Don Easterbrook gets it all wrong in his absurd fairytale on WUWT
Sou | 11:50 AM Go to the first of 17 comments. Add a comment

Denier Don Easterbrook is America's answer to the potty peer from the UK, Christopher Monckton. He's written an article on WUWT (archived here) in which it's hard to find half a sentence of his that might have a grain of truth to it. The exceptions would be his direct quotes from an article in National Geographic.

A few weeks ago Anthony Watts told his readers not to be alarmed because ice can't melt when it gets hotter, therefore seas can't rise any faster and New York can't get any wetter. He didn't phrase it quite like that but that's what his article all boiled down to. He was referring to this same National Geographic article.

Today Anthony Watts has gone even further and put up an article by denier Don Easterbrook (more of his deceptions here) that rivals his various claims like "the average surface temperature of earth equals minus 30 degrees Celsius as shown by my temperature chart for Central Greenland".

Denier Don is (still) an Emeritus Professor from a University that he's continually embarrassing. They don't withdraw titles too easily and I guess that he's not the first professor to have "gone emeritus" and won't be the last.

Some of Denier Don's Wrongs

Here are some of Denier Don's wrongs just from today's single article alone (archived here):

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/09/denier-don-gets-it-all-wrong-in-his.html

Ves · 27 April 2017

noco said:
BS..I don't see any weakness in the information I have presented...

Well clearly that is the problem here. You rely on conspiracy blogs and youtube videos because you're too thick to make up your own views.

If they were your own views you wouldn't have any trouble coming up with answers to simple questions. But you can't.

I'd probably be an angry old man if I was like that too.

Who in the hell do you think you are telling me I have no credibility around here which I presume you mean on the ASF?...You really have tickets on your self and must place your self as God all Mighty.

Some old sick trick you pull again....Character assassination is the only way you know when you are behind the 8 ball.

Some mothers do have them unfortunately.

Yeah no worries old man. I'm sure you're in denial and think you have a completely clean record in this regard.

Klogg · 27 April 2017

SirRumpole said:
I certainly don't. I'm not flood prone, fire prone or earthquake prone, but in any case the premiums have rocketted over the last few years so that would indicate an increase in disasters not "situation normal" as the sceptics say.

noco said:
More facts about about the great Global Warming hoax.

Sorry, I haven't been a consistent participant in this thread, but I do have an issue with this.

I have my views on global warming, but those aside - we have finite energy on this planet without solar/wind. With them, we are only limited to the materials required to harvest solar/wind power.

Further, this seems like a case of Pascal's wager. Why take the chance that you're wrong on global warming, when you have this great alternative staring you in the face? The choice seems to be either to spend a bit more on renewable energy, or potentially make the earth unsuitable for human life... even if it's a 1% chance, is it worth the risk?

luutzu · 27 April 2017

Klogg said:
Sorry, I haven't been a consistent participant in this thread, but I do have an issue with this.

I have my views on global warming, but those aside - we have finite energy on this planet without solar/wind. With them, we are only limited to the materials required to harvest solar/wind power.

Further, this seems like a case of Pascal's wager. Why take the chance that you're wrong on global warming, when you have this great alternative staring you in the face? The choice seems to be either to spend a bit more on renewable energy, or potentially make the earth unsuitable for human life... even if it's a 1% chance, is it worth the risk?

Their argument is along these lines:

1. Fossil isn't killing anyone, so why risk it. ... oh wait
2. There are plenty of fossil fuel as far as the eyes can see, why risk transitioning to solar and wind that might only last like forever.
3. Planning based on expert advise is bunk. Wait until the water laps at our feet then we all jump.
4. Jobs; birds dying from wind farm; cloudy days without any wind.

All boils down to If it might break, why fix it. We could just move to Mars and colonise the moon or something.

noco · 27 April 2017

basilio said:
Dr Easterbrook and Global Warming BS

The most interesting part about that video is just how many fallacies, misrepresentations, lies and misunderstandings can be packed into an hour plus presentation.
Check out the analysis below. By the way the Hot Whopper site does a good job of skewering the 1001 most repeated zombie denial statements
HotWhopper
Global warming and climate change.
Eavesdropping on the deniosphere, its weird pseudo-science and crazy conspiracy whoppers.

Thursday, September 26, 2013
Denier Don Easterbrook gets it all wrong in his absurd fairytale on WUWT
Sou | 11:50 AM Go to the first of 17 comments. Add a comment

Denier Don Easterbrook is America's answer to the potty peer from the UK, Christopher Monckton. He's written an article on WUWT (archived here) in which it's hard to find half a sentence of his that might have a grain of truth to it. The exceptions would be his direct quotes from an article in National Geographic.

A few weeks ago Anthony Watts told his readers not to be alarmed because ice can't melt when it gets hotter, therefore seas can't rise any faster and New York can't get any wetter. He didn't phrase it quite like that but that's what his article all boiled down to. He was referring to this same National Geographic article.

Today Anthony Watts has gone even further and put up an article by denier Don Easterbrook (more of his deceptions here) that rivals his various claims like "the average surface temperature of earth equals minus 30 degrees Celsius as shown by my temperature chart for Central Greenland".

Denier Don is (still) an Emeritus Professor from a University that he's continually embarrassing. They don't withdraw titles too easily and I guess that he's not the first professor to have "gone emeritus" and won't be the last.

Some of Denier Don's Wrongs

Here are some of Denier Don's wrongs just from today's single article alone (archived here):

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/09/denier-don-gets-it-all-wrong-in-his.html

Just more wacko Green defense of the farce and the lies of Global Warming which has proven to have paused for 18 years...What more would you expect.....I presented plenty of graphs showing the difference between the Alarmist modelling and what has actually happened but you cannot accept it.

We will just have to agree to disagree as to who is right and who is wrong......Only time will tell which is correct.

noco · 27 April 2017

Ves said:
Well clearly that is the problem here. You rely on conspiracy blogs and youtube videos because you're too thick to make up your own views.

If they were your own views you wouldn't have any trouble coming up with answers to simple questions. But you can't.

I'd probably be an angry old man if I was like that too.

Yeah no worries old man. I'm sure you're in denial and think you have a completely clean record in this regard.

So now I am too thick and have lost credibility.......May I ask are you the new moderator?...Have you taken over from Joe.......I think you should look at yourself in the mirror now and then...You might get a shock.

If you think you can ridicule and humiliate me enough to get me to leave the ASF so you can dominate this forum, well think again buster......You are nobody as far I am concerned.....Just a cheap shot when it suits you.

Ves · 27 April 2017

noco said:
So now I am too thick and have lost credibility.......May I ask are you the new moderator?...Have you taken over from Joe.......I think you should look at yourself in the mirror now and then...You might get a shock.

If you think you can ridicule and humiliate me enough to get me to leave the ASF so you can dominate this forum, well think again buster......You are nobody as far I am concerned.....Just a cheap shot when it suits you.

Yeah cool story bro...

I'm fairly sure, given the fact that I post here on ASF far less frequently these days, that I've got no desires of being a forum moderator or any plans of forum domination (lol).

Some how you've created yet another situation in your mind where you can act like the victim and we're all out to get you off the forum. All because you didn't like criticism of your argument.

There's no need to get upset, post whatever you like, but everyone here is allowed to respond.

I'm happy to sit here and argue until we're black and blue.

SirRumpole · 27 April 2017

Ves said:
I'm happy to sit here and argue until we're black and blue.

I don't know why you bother. Some are just too willfully ignorant to be persuaded by anything unless it hurts them personally. They just turn the aircon up a few notches and pretend everything is fine.

Frogs being brought to the boil.

noco · 27 April 2017

basilio said:
Dr Easterbrook and Global Warming BS

The most interesting part about that video is just how many fallacies, misrepresentations, lies and misunderstandings can be packed into an hour plus presentation.
Check out the analysis below. By the way the Hot Whopper site does a good job of skewering the 1001 most repeated zombie denial statements
HotWhopper
Global warming and climate change.
Eavesdropping on the deniosphere, its weird pseudo-science and crazy conspiracy whoppers.

Thursday, September 26, 2013
Denier Don Easterbrook gets it all wrong in his absurd fairytale on WUWT
Sou | 11:50 AM Go to the first of 17 comments. Add a comment

Denier Don Easterbrook is America's answer to the potty peer from the UK, Christopher Monckton. He's written an article on WUWT (archived here) in which it's hard to find half a sentence of his that might have a grain of truth to it. The exceptions would be his direct quotes from an article in National Geographic.

A few weeks ago Anthony Watts told his readers not to be alarmed because ice can't melt when it gets hotter, therefore seas can't rise any faster and New York can't get any wetter. He didn't phrase it quite like that but that's what his article all boiled down to. He was referring to this same National Geographic article.

Today Anthony Watts has gone even further and put up an article by denier Don Easterbrook (more of his deceptions here) that rivals his various claims like "the average surface temperature of earth equals minus 30 degrees Celsius as shown by my temperature chart for Central Greenland".

Denier Don is (still) an Emeritus Professor from a University that he's continually embarrassing. They don't withdraw titles too easily and I guess that he's not the first professor to have "gone emeritus" and won't be the last.

Some of Denier Don's Wrongs

Here are some of Denier Don's wrongs just from today's single article alone (archived here):

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/09/denier-don-gets-it-all-wrong-in-his.html

Hotwhopper?????

The woman who is behind HOTWHOPPER is a in her 60's something by the name of Miriam O'Brien (a.k.a.Sou).

She may have an interest in Climate Change but in actual fact has a Bachelor of Agriculture Science.

Now not holding that against her it would appear she is also associated with the Communist paper, The Guardian......Now the Guardian, being so far to the left, is well known to support Global Warming to its highest degree.......So one could well and truly say it would have a natural bias towards the Green philosophy regarding Global Warming or Climate Change which ever suits the day of reckoning.

Now from the Hotwhopper I have posted a link of an open letter to Miriam O'Brien where she admits she does not know as much as she thought she did..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/05/open-letter-to-miriam-obrien-of-hotwhopper-a-k-a-sou/

basilio · 27 April 2017

Hell will turn into a balmy tropical paradise before Noco will move. He is adamantly certain that climate change is a hoax perpetuated by world wide greenies with gross manufacturing of all relevant data by all the major scientific organisation, the overwhelming majority of climate scientists as well as scientists in related disciplines. He also arbitrarily dismisses any observations by scientists that disagree with his view and in particular any evidence that challenges the "No CC mantra". No reasons, no logic, no argument.

That is not my comment. Noco has expressed it clearly repeatedly. In that context simply bringing all the issues surrounding how the world is changing and the consequences is for other posters benefit. It is also worth doing because when critical facts are repeatedly denied and big lies allowed to stand unchallenged the landscape of discussion changes. In my view that is dangerous situation.

noco · 27 April 2017

basilio said:
Hell will turn into a balmy tropical paradise before Noco will move. He is adamantly certain that climate change is a hoax perpetuated by world wide greenies with gross manufacturing of all relevant data by all the major scientific organisation, the overwhelming majority of climate scientists as well as scientists in related disciplines. He also arbitrarily dismisses any observations by scientists that disagree with his view and in particular any evidence that challenges the "No CC mantra". No reasons, no logic, no argument.

That is not my comment. Noco has expressed it clearly repeatedly. In that context simply bringing all the issues surrounding how the world is changing and the consequences is for other posters benefit. It is also worth doing because when critical facts are repeatedly denied and big lies allowed to stand unchallenged the landscape of discussion changes. In my view that is dangerous situation.

Boy oh boy how you Greenies show so much hate for me for showing you up.....It is very satisfying to me when I get those sort responses Bas, because I know it is sticking in your gizzet

Even Marion O'Brien (Hotwhopper) admits she is clueless when it comes to Climate Change and you are happy to follow someone like her.

I just ROFL....LMAO.

Now then what is your next clown act in the 3 ring circus?

basilio · 27 April 2017

"Hell will turn into a balmy tropical paradise before Noco will move. He is adamantly certain that climate change is a hoax perpetuated by world wide greenies with gross manufacturing of all relevant data by all the major scientific organisation, the overwhelming majority of climate scientists as well as scientists in related disciplines. He also arbitrarily dismisses any observations by scientists that disagree with his view and in particular any evidence that challenges the "No CC mantra". No reasons, no logic, no argument." Bas

Have I accurately summed up your views on CC Noco ? Because that is all I was doing.

explod · 27 April 2017

Birds are very adaptable to changing obstacles. As a child on our farm we delighted in the mudlarks nest on the upper landing just under the swirling blade which we could see from our kitchen window. Every year they hatched and raised 3 or 4 chicks who soon flipped amid the cyprus trees just below.

The big killer of birds are fast moving cars and aircraft coming and going at airports.

explod · 27 April 2017

Spot on Bas.

In my lefty, green, commo, socialistic humble opinion of course.

noco · 27 April 2017

explod said:
Birds are very adaptable to changing obstacles. As a child on our farm we delighted in the mudlarks nest on the upper landing just under the swirling blade which we could see from our kitchen window. Every year they hatched and raised 3 or 4 chicks who soon flipped amid the cyprus trees just below.

The big killer of birds are fast moving cars and aircraft coming and going at airports.

Hmmm....not as much as those ugly wind turbines...Where are your facts and figures or is this more hear say rhetoric.

noco · 27 April 2017

basilio said:
"Hell will turn into a balmy tropical paradise before Noco will move. He is adamantly certain that climate change is a hoax perpetuated by world wide greenies with gross manufacturing of all relevant data by all the major scientific organisation, the overwhelming majority of climate scientists as well as scientists in related disciplines. He also arbitrarily dismisses any observations by scientists that disagree with his view and in particular any evidence that challenges the "No CC mantra". No reasons, no logic, no argument." Bas

Have I accurately summed up your views on CC Noco ? Because that is all I was doing.

Sum up what you like.......Sum up the evidence I have presented and there more where all that came from which is the opinion of many more than the alarmist.......Like 33,800 scientists who report the Global Warming is a farce and s scam.

explod · 27 April 2017

Observations are facts noco. The windmill on our farm or the wind turbines just south at Yambuk have been there many years now and friends from my school footy days at Yambuk just laugh at those saying they kill the birds in that area.

Direct observation and on the spot experience are the best facts noco. You should study law and learn about the real substance required to prove a fact. The internet is comprised of multiple opinions which lose the truth due to intertwined bias and wishful thinking mixed in that endless tub.

We all wish that climate change did not exist noco, and its progress is so alarming that many turn their heads and pretend it is not so. In my career only facts could and are acted upon and my head cannot turn away from the truth

noco · 27 April 2017

explod said:
Observations are facts noco. The windmill on our farm or the wind turbines just south at Yambuk have been there many years now and friends from my school footy days at Yambuk just laugh at those saying they kill the birds in that area.

Direct observation and on the spot experience are the best facts noco. You should study law and learn about the real substance required to prove a fact. The internet is comprised of multiple opinions which lose the truth due to intertwined bias and wishful thinking mixed in that endless tub.

We all wish that climate change did not exist noco, and its progress is so alarming that many turn their heads and pretend it is not so. In my career only facts could and are acted upon and my head cannot turn away from the truth

Climate Change does exist and nobody will deny it, but it is not caused by man made, but a natural phenomena....Can't you understand that.....It is mainly to do with the Sun, Sun spots and the Earth's axis which changes the angle to the Sun as explained in the links I have provided.

I am still waiting for you to prove to me the number of birds killed by aircraft and motor vehicles...You really have not got a clue have you.......Your observations are very limited I am afraid.

explod · 27 April 2017

What natural phenomena noco, how about you explaining your own observations rather than unprovable statements like its sunspots.

Five billion years ago the earth was a fireball of gas and has been cooling down since except of late. It should be getting colder but this natural process is being upset by the heat generated by the burning of fossil fuels; coal and oil. Simple stuff really that we learnt at Primary School noco. Did you go to school at all ole Pal, really feel for your ignorance of reality.

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