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A bit off topic for climate change aren't we ? :D

<runs for cover>
yes it is off topic but you see Tisme broached the subject and I followed on because there is no thread covering that particular subject....Tisme staring talking about asbestos and lead poisoning..
 
Excuse me, we were talking about lead brazing but you have wondered off onto soldering.

Silver soldering is something different again...We originally use Tobin bronze for brazing copper tube long before silver solder came into play which had a much lower melting point...Silver solder was great on copper capillary fitting where it could penetrate the whole joint...In my day we did not have capillary fittings and had to make our own tees and bends....Did you ever do any copper tube bending?

Now back to lead brazing what sort of flux and rod did you use on a lead joint?

At a pinch borax powder and water paste:p

You're not reading through your rage again are you. LOL.

And yes I still keep my hand in using my benders, expanders, swaging tools, pullers etc. I have oxy sets and many MAP/Pro gas sets. Two weeks ago I was brazing 8" copper on a chilled water plant to help my employees out. I also helped stainless steel weld a manifold to header those pipes.

I have migs, tigs and stick welders and I can chew gum when I use them. I stitch weld, I plasma cut, even have spot welders.......I am a GOD! I have several personal workshops where large investments in tools, machinery and project cars reside.

I was classically trained in the railway workshops to gas weld, electric weld, braze and solder and what's more I had to pass exams including material stress and pull testing and boilermaking/smithing/plumbing is not my original trade, although now I have multiple certified trade qualifications. I would hazard a guess you have nowhere near an idea of just how able anyone here is and it probably galls you to think you might have been bested by a more ubiquitous person and someone who has a bigger gas axe tip than you do.

Dammit I have run out of red rags
 
At a pinch borax powder and water paste:p

You're not reading through your rage again are you. LOL.

And yes I still keep my hand in using my benders, expanders, swaging tools, pullers etc. I have oxy sets and many MAP/Pro gas sets. Two weeks ago I was brazing 8" copper on a chilled water plant to help my employees out. I also helped stainless steel weld a manifold to header those pipes.

I have migs, tigs and stick welders and I can chew gum when I use them. I stitch weld, I plasma cut, even have spot welders.......I am a GOD! I have several personal workshops where large investments in tools, machinery and project cars reside.

I was classically trained in the railway workshops to gas weld, electric weld, braze and solder and what's more I had to pass exams including material stress and pull testing and boilermaking/smithing/plumbing is not my original trade, although now I have multiple certified trade qualifications. I would hazard a guess you have nowhere near an idea of just how able anyone here is and it probably galls you to think you might have been bested by a more ubiquitous person and someone who has a bigger gas axe tip than you do.

Dammit I have run out of red rags

Just another diversion from the real subject Tisme...I don't really give a stuff about all you welding equipment...You seem to be a JACK of all TRADES and master of none.

I want to know how do you braze lead which is 600 F (315.5 C) melting point?....You were the one who mentioned lead brazing....Now this time stay with the question...

When soldering what percentage lead and tin did you use on galvanized iron, copper and lead?...What flux do you use on each metal before soldering?

You can use copper benders on small bore copper pipe but how do you bend copper tube of larger diameters like 2"...3"...4"...and 6 ".?
 
Just another diversion from the real subject Tisme...I don't really give a stuff about all you welding equipment...You seem to be a JACK of all TRADES and master of none.

I want to know how do you braze lead which is 600 F (315.5 C) melting point?....You were the one who mentioned lead brazing....Now this time stay with the question...

When soldering what percentage lead and tin did you use on galvanized iron, copper and lead?...What flux do you use on each metal before soldering?

You can use copper benders on small bore copper pipe but how do you bend copper tube of larger diameters like 2"...3"...4"...and 6 ".?


You don't braze lead at 315.5 deg C. You soft solder at that temp master of none.:D

We were trained to make zinc hydro-chloride flux via hydrochloric acid and zinc and use resin/rosin fluxes on the electrical joins. We would work PGI with blow torch and stick solder and still do on sealed ducting, although a Birko style electric is our choice of preference.

We pull large bends when resistance is a problem otherwise buy preformed. If you need a masterclass just ask. We also have hydraulic mandrel benders

Hardly worth making a science out of a home economics level trade.

BTW my record for apprentices of the year is fairly impressive for a master of none.
 
You don't braze lead at 315.5 deg C. You soft solder at that temp master of none.:D

We were trained to make zinc hydro-chloride flux via hydrochloric acid and zinc and use resin/rosin fluxes on the electrical joins. We would work PGI with blow torch and stick solder and still do on sealed ducting, although a Birko style electric is our choice of preference.

We pull large bends when resistance is a problem otherwise buy preformed. If you need a masterclass just ask. We also have hydraulic mandrel benders

Hardly worth making a science out of a home economics level trade.

BTW my record for apprentices of the year is fairly impressive for a master of none.

Why did you mention in your early post about brazing lead?...Now you are saying you don't braze lead...You seem to have contradicted yourself on this occasion.....Perhaps maybe you wish you had not opened the subject.

Yes you can soft solder lead but you are obviously not familiar with lead burning where you do not use solder...I lined dozens of acid vats 8'x 4'x 4' deep and no solder could be used...these vats held Surphuric and Hydrochloric acids......Solder and acid are not a good combination...Now then would you like me elaborate on the process so that you have a better understanding of lead burning?

I would also like you to tell me how you bend 2" to 6" copper tube.
 
Why did you mention in your early post about brazing lead?...Now you are saying you don't braze lead...You seem to have contradicted yourself on this occasion.....Perhaps maybe you wish you had not opened the subject.

Yes you can soft solder lead but you are obviously not familiar with lead burning where you do not use solder...I lined dozens of acid vats 8'x 4'x 4' deep and no solder could be used...these vats held Surphuric and Hydrochloric acids......Solder and acid are not a good combination...Now then would you like me elaborate on the process so that you have a better understanding of lead burning?

I would also like you to tell me how you bend 2" to 6" copper tube.


No cobber, you'll have to learn how to punch above your weight if you think I'm giving you anymore free training.

Your comprehension skill are consistently woeful and I'm too busy writing intelligent posts on discussion boards and social media, while still running a company to get down an dirty over basic trade skills.

I'm kinda pleased you have something to hang onto from ancient Australia, but time marches on and so does rankings of technology as important.

I bet you still have a leather patch for lead wiping too
 
No cobber, you'll have to learn how to punch above your weight if you think I'm giving you anymore free training.

Your comprehension skill are consistently woeful and I'm too busy writing intelligent posts on discussion boards and social media, while still running a company to get down an dirty over basic trade skills.

I'm kinda pleased you have something to hang onto from ancient Australia, but time marches on and so does rankings of technology as important.

I bet you still have a leather patch for lead wiping too

Well Tisme, I can see I have got you rattled because you do not have the answers on the subject which you started.......You don't know a bee from bull's foot about lead burning or copper pipe bending or the percentage of lead and tin solder used on various metals......so now you wriggle out by saying you are too busy....I have forgotten more about plumbing than you have learned.
I am sure you wish you had not started this conversation because it has become such an embarrassment for you.

For you to be running a company, you sure spend a lot of time on ASF.
 
Well Tisme, I can see I have got you rattled because you do not have the answers on the subject which you started.......You don't know a bee from bull's foot about lead burning or copper pipe bending or the percentage of lead and tin solder used on various metals......so now you wriggle out by saying you are too busy....I have forgotten more about plumbing than you have learned.
I am sure you wish you had not started this conversation because it has become such an embarrassment for you.

For you to be running a company, you sure spend a lot of time on ASF.

Still trolling and jealous much I suspect.

If you want to know my basic training familiarise yourself with the once biggest workshops in Oz and many parts of the world and renowned for turning out he best trained in Oz for the many disciplines. You could never appreciate the skill sets I have and what's more I have no desire to debate them so you can attempt to debase them.

Your mealy mouthed behaviour, as usual, is to personify your obscurity and narrow focus as something of an exclusive club, a club that few have a desire to join. My mistake was to offer you some conversation about soldering and brazing, but as expected you went all magpie and attacked to protect your precious nest. My bet is you have few people who (can be bothered) argue with you in real life?
 
Still trolling and jealous much I suspect.

If you want to know my basic training familiarise yourself with the once biggest workshops in Oz and many parts of the world and renowned for turning out he best trained in Oz for the many disciplines. You could never appreciate the skill sets I have and what's more I have no desire to debate them so you can attempt to debase them.

Your mealy mouthed behaviour, as usual, is to personify your obscurity and narrow focus as something of an exclusive club, a club that few have a desire to join. My mistake was to offer you some conversation about soldering and brazing, but as expected you went all magpie and attacked to protect your precious nest. My bet is you have few people who (can be bothered) argue with you in real life?

I know you have a very ego and high opinion of yourself and love to look down your nose at those whom you think are inferior to yourself , but if you are genuine and would like to learn how to lead burn, bend copper tubing and steel piping 2" to 6". I would be happy to explain it to you...We had to do this before copper capillary fittings and weld neck steel bends and tees became available.

But I guess you will ignore my invitation knowing how you could not possibly lower yourself to learn something from an expert on the subject.
 
Interesting segment with Howard Brady just then on chris smith program 4bc.

Anyone listening?
 
Some interesting historical facts.


Australia's Hottest Day !




HI ALL … here are some interesting facts from “TROVE” old


newspaper articles.




Click on the underlined type to read the old newspaper cuttings …


Trevor.




> AUSTRALIA'S HOTTEST DAY ON RECORD 1828!


>


> NOT 2016, BUT 1828 AT A BLISTERING 53.9 °C


>


> BACK BEFORE MAN-MADE CLIMATE CHANGE WAS FRYING AUSTRALIA, WHEN CO2


> WAS AROUND 300PPM, THE CONTINENT SAVOURED AN IDEAL PRE-INDUSTRIAL


> CLIMATE ... _RIGHT?_


>


> _THIS IS THE KIND OF CLIMATE WE ARE SPENDING $10B PER ANNUM TO GET


> BACK TOO__ __... RIGHT AGAIN?_


>


> WE ARE TOLD TODAY'S CLIMATE HAS MORE RECORDS AND MORE EXTREMES THAN


> TIMES GONE BY, BUT THE FEW RECORDS WE HAVE FROM THE EARLY 1800'S ARE


> EYE-POPPING. THINGS WERE NOT JUST HOTTER, BUT SO WILDLY HOT IT BURST


> THERMOMETERS. THE EARLIEST TEMPERATURE RECORDS WE HAVE SHOW THAT


> AUSTRALIA WAS A LAND OF SHOCKING HEATWAVES AND DROUGHTS, EXCEPT FOR


> WHEN IT WAS BITTERLY COLD OR RAGING IN FLOOD.


>


> _IN OTHER WORDS, NOTHING HAS CHANGED, EXCEPT POSSIBLY THINGS MIGHT


> NOT BE QUITE SO HOT NOW!_


>


> SILLIGGY (LANCE PIDGEON) HAS BEEN RESEARCHING RECORDS FROM EARLY


> EXPLORERS AND FROM NEWSPAPERS.


>


> _WHAT HE'S UNCOVERED IS FASCINATING! IT'S AS IF HISTORY IS BEING


> ERASED!_


>


> FOR ALL THAT WE HEAR ABOUT RECENT RECORD-BREAKING CLIMATE EXTREMES,


> RECORDS THAT ARE EQUALLY EXTREME, AND SOMETIMES EVEN MORE SO, ARE


> IGNORED. IN JANUARY 1896 A SAVAGE BLAST "LIKE A FURNACE" STRETCHED


> ACROSS AUSTRALIA FROM EAST TO WEST AND LASTED FOR WEEKS.


>


> _THE DEATH TOLL REACHED 437 PEOPLE IN THE EASTERN STATES. _


>


> NEWSPAPER REPORTS SHOWED THAT IN BOURKE THE HEAT APPROACHED 120°F


> (48.9°C) ON THREE DAYS.


>


> LINKS TO DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE (1 [1])(2 [2])(3 [3])


>


> _THE MAXIMUM AT OR ABOVE 102 DEGREES F (38.9°C) FOR 24 DAYS


> STRAIGHT!_


>


> USE THE SEVERAL LINKS BELOW TO READ THE NEWS REPORTS AT THE TIME FOR


> YOURSELF ..


>


> 1. BY TUESDAY JAN 14, PEOPLE WERE REPORTED FALLING DEAD [4] IN THE


> STREETS.


>


> 2. UNABLE TO SLEEP, PEOPLE IN BREWARRINA WALKED THE STREETS AT


> NIGHT FOR HOURS, THERMOMETERS RECORDED 109F AT_ __MIDNIGHT_ [5].


>


> 3. OVERNIGHT, THE TEMPERATURE DID NOT FALL BELOW 103°F.


>


> 4. ON JAN 18 IN WILCANNIA, FIVE DEATHS WERE RECORDED IN ONE DAY,


> THE HOSPITALS WERE OVERCROWDED [6] AND REPORTS SAID THAT _"MORE DEATHS


> ARE HOURLY EXPECTED"_.


>


> 5. BY JANUARY 24, IN BOURKE, MANY BUSINESSES HAD SHUT DOWN [7]


> (ALMOST EVERYTHING BAR THE HOTELS).


>


> 6. PANIC STRICKEN [8] AUSTRALIANS WERE FLEEING TO THE HILLS [9]IN


> CLIMATE REFUGEE TRAINS.


>


> AS REPORTED AT THE TIME, THE GOVERNMENT FELT THE SITUATION WAS SO


> SERIOUS THAT TO SAVE LIVES AND EASE THE SUFFERING OF ITS CITIZENS THEY


> ADDED CHEAPER TRAIN SERVICES:


>


> WHAT I FOUND MOST INTERESTING ABOUT THIS WAS THE SKILL, DEDICATION


> AND LENGTH OF METEOROLOGICAL DATA TAKEN IN THE 1800'S. WHEN OUR


> CLIMATE IS "THE MOST IMPORTANT MORAL CHALLENGE" WHY IS IT THERE IS SO


> LITTLE INTEREST IN OUR LONGEST AND OLDEST DATA?


>


> WHO KNEW THAT ONE OF THE MOST METICULOUS AND DETAILED TEMPERATURE


> RECORDS IN THE WORLD FROM THE 1800'S COMES FROM ADELAIDE, LARGELY


> THANKS TO SIR CHARLES TODD.


>


> THE WEST TERRACE SITE IN ADELAIDE WAS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD AT


> THE TIME, AND PROVIDES ACCURATE HISTORIC TEMPERATURES FROM


> "AUSTRALIA'S FIRST PERMANENT WEATHER BUREAU [10] AT ADELAIDE IN 1856?.


>


>


> RAINFALL RECORDS EVEN APPEAR TO GO AS FAR BACK AS 1839. LANCE


> PIDGEON WENT DELVING INTO THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND WAS SURPRISED AT


> WHAT HE FOUND.


>


> _THE MEDIA ARE IN OVERDRIVE, MAKING OUT THAT "THE EXTREME HEAT IS THE


> NEW NORMAL" IN AUSTRALIA. _


>


> THE GREAT AUSTRALIAN HEATWAVE OF JANUARY 2013 DIDN'T PUSH THE MERCURY


> ABOVE 50C AT ANY WEATHER STATION IN AUSTRALIA, YET IT'S BEEN 50C


> (122F) AND HOTTER IN MANY INLAND TOWNS ACROSS AUSTRALIA OVER THE PAST


> CENTURY.


>


> SEE HOW MANY ARE IN THE LATE 1800'S AND EARLY TO MID 1900'S.


>


> YOU CAN'T BLAME THOSE HIGH RECORDS ON MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING!


>


> _Click as Suggested. _


>


> _The Trove Newspaper cuttings are especially interesting for


> Genealogists as people who died are named__.___






Links:


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[1] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/33121679?zoomLevel=4





17 Jan 1896 - THE WEATHER IN NEW SOUTH WALES. - Trove


trove.nla.gov.au


The National Library of Australia's Copies Direct service lets you purchase higher quality, larger sized photocopies or electronic copies of newspapers pages.




[2] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14033806?zoomLevel=6





INTENSE HEAT AT BOURKE. - THREE MORE DEATHS AND FURTHER SUNSTROKES. BOURKE, Saturday. - The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) - 20 Jan 1896


trove.nla.gov.au


There is no cessation in the great heat, in fact it is increasing, the thermometer registering 120° to-day. Three more deaths were reorded to-day, directly caused by the sun. The town was ...




[3] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/53682260?zoomLevel=6





THE WEATHER IN THE EASTERN COLONIES. - SHADE TEMPERATURE AT BOURKE 120. MORE DEATHS REPORTED. Sydney, January 22. - South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA : 1839 - 1900) - 23 Jan 1896


trove.nla.gov.au


A welcome fall of rain occurred to-day over the central coastal district aud highlands, accompanied by a great lowering of the temperature all over the colony except in the far west. ...




[4] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44132389?zoomLevel=5





The Death Roll. - A Melancholy List. Apoplexy, Thirst, and Sunstroke. SYDNEY, Tuesday. - Barrier Miner (Broken Hill, NSW : 1888 - 1954) - 14 Jan 1896


trove.nla.gov.au


William Clark, aged 51, proprietor of the Royal Hotel, Singleton, died yesterday of beat apoplexy. Arthur Hassett, a director of the ...




[5] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44159099?zoomLevel=5





Thunderstorms and High Temperatures. - Alarming Sickness in Many Towns. SYDNEY, Thursday. - Barrier Miner (Broken Hill, NSW : 1888 - 1954) - 23 Jan 1896


trove.nla.gov.au


M[?] depressing reports come from the country districts. A Cudal correspondent reports that thunderstorms travel over that district ...




[6] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14033576?zoomLevel=5





(FROM OUR CORRESPONDENTS.) EXTRAORDINARY HEAT AT WILCANNIA. - THERMOMETER 119[?] IN THE SHADE. FIVE DEATHS IN ONE DAY. THE HOSPITAL CROWDED. WILCANNIA, Friday. - The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) - 18 Jan 1896


trove.nla.gov.au


Tho heat has been unbearable to-day. The thermometer registered 119[?] in the shade at 2 o'clock. Five deaths from heat have occurred since last night, the Rev. Father Davern being ...




[7] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/75263800?





THE HEAT IN NEW SOUTH WALES. - AN UNPRECEDENTED RECORD. - The Horsham Times (Vic. : 1882 - 1954) - 24 Jan 1896


trove.nla.gov.au


Telegrams from Sydney and more complete details in the Sydney papers furnish amazing and. distressing accounts of the terrible effects of the ...




[8] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8888573?zoomLevel=6





THE GREAT HEAT IN NEW SOUTH WALES. - NO CHANGE YET. MORE DEATHS REPORTED._ RESIDENTS OF BOURKE PANICSTRICKEN. SYDNEY, TUESDAY. - The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) - 22 Jan 1896


trove.nla.gov.au


The light rain which has fallen during the past three doys on the coast has penetrated inland across the mountains, with the result that only six places to-day report heat over ...




[9] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/79288908?zoomLevel=5


[10] http://www.rahs.org.au/history-resources/the-first-weather-bureau/















 
Heavy going in that post format Noco!

The lady is right, how do people think solar panels and wind farms are made? Disposing of toxic materials in solar panels will be a growing problem.
 
Heavy going in that post format Noco!

The lady is right, how do people think solar panels and wind farms are made? Disposing of toxic materials in solar panels will be a growing problem.


But perhaps nothing remotely as difficult as dealing with the millions of tons of pollutants spewed out by coal fired power stations at the moment.
You know the ones that are largely responsible for creating hideous air pollution in China and which the Chinese government has vowed to stop by moving very rapidly to solar and wind power.
Not to mention of course the fact that the billions of tons of CO2 spewing from coal fired power stations are the direct cause of the the escalating rate of global warming which is destroying the world we know and most of us with it.

"[...]If you don’t know about or understand the evidence that shows incontrovertibly that we are warming the planet, you are IGNORANT. No sin here. You can rectify your ignorance by hard study.

If you refuse to put in the hard study, then you are WILFULLY IGNORANT and your opinion is worthless.

If you refuse even to look at the evidence even when it is shoved in front of your face and still insist you understand better than all the experts, then you are a DENIALIST.

Finally, if you insist that all the scientists are engaged in a global hoax to preserve their lucrative grants (which amount in salary to about what a mid-level IT administrator would make), then you are an IDIOT
.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/comment-page-13/#comment-142986
 
General news this morning, "200 extreme weather records broken in the last three months"

Coming up on ABC tv as I type.
 
Second year running of coral bleaching onthe Barrier Reef.... who would of thought?

Press on with that Abbot Point coal loader, there'll be no reef for it to ruin shortly anyway.
 
Second year running of coral bleaching onthe Barrier Reef.... who would of thought?

Press on with that Abbot Point coal loader, there'll be no reef for it to ruin shortly anyway.

Where is your proof?...Which part of the 2,500 km long Barrier reef are you talking about.

Most of the coral bleaching that took place last year was north of Cooktown...No mining or agriculture run off....The Greens are full of exaggeration.
 
From the WWF ....
http://www.wwf.org.au/what-we-do/oceans/great-barrier-reef/coral-bleaching-on-the-reef#gs.X=KptdI

Reports effected areas off Lizard Is This month...

"WWF oceans campaigner Richard Leck said he was “shocked and saddened by what is unfolding”.

“Scientists warned that without sufficient emissions reductions we could expect annual mass bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef by 2050,” he said. “Consecutive bleaching events have arrived 30 years early.”

WWF also released footage on Monday of severely bleached coral at Vlasoff Cay near Cairns, where cinematographer Richard Fitzpatrick filmed sequences for David Attenborough’s Great Barrier Reef series."

“Now with the water sitting at 32 degrees all the way to the bottom, the corals are dying. Many are already dead and covered in algae.”

“The reef is facing an imminent danger of mortality at a level that far exceeds last year over a greater geographical distance.”

Pictures of newly bleached coral were taken in recent weeks at Moore Reef, near Cairns, by the reef scientist Tyrone Ridgway, as well as by divers further south near Palm Island.
 

“Scientists warned that without sufficient emissions reductions we could expect annual mass bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef by 2050,” he said. “Consecutive bleaching events have arrived 30 years early.”

I go surfing in the Mentawai Islands off Sumatra Indonesia same thing is happening out there bleaching just wiping out the coral environments on a massive scale apparently its just a natural phenomena..................
 
From the WWF ....
http://www.wwf.org.au/what-we-do/oceans/great-barrier-reef/coral-bleaching-on-the-reef#gs.X=KptdI

Reports effected areas off Lizard Is This month...

"WWF oceans campaigner Richard Leck said he was “shocked and saddened by what is unfolding”.

“Scientists warned that without sufficient emissions reductions we could expect annual mass bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef by 2050,” he said. “Consecutive bleaching events have arrived 30 years early.”

WWF also released footage on Monday of severely bleached coral at Vlasoff Cay near Cairns, where cinematographer Richard Fitzpatrick filmed sequences for David Attenborough’s Great Barrier Reef series."

“Now with the water sitting at 32 degrees all the way to the bottom, the corals are dying. Many are already dead and covered in algae.”

“The reef is facing an imminent danger of mortality at a level that far exceeds last year over a greater geographical distance.”

Pictures of newly bleached coral were taken in recent weeks at Moore Reef, near Cairns, by the reef scientist Tyrone Ridgway, as well as by divers further south near Palm Island.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/34610891/barrier-reef-in-unchartered-territory/#page1
 
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