Resisting Climate Hysteria

cynic · 20 November 2016

Knobby22 said:
According to cynic we have to ignore the small scale experiments, ignore the proven knowledge established many decades ago and ignore physics which explains how CO2 scatters infra red radiation, ignore the laser experiment showing the effect working in the atmosphere, ignore the actual warming occurring and ignore the fact that no alternative explanation has been found.
We just need to treat it as a big experiment.

I worry how science is being taught.

Your efforts to misunderstand my stance are most definitely unwelcome and inappropriate!

I am most certainly not saying to ignore anything that has been conclusively proven! I am, however, saying that precious little has been conclusively proven!

The models have, by their repeated failings, proven that the climate is not adequately understood by the "relevant scientists" and, as such, at this juncture, it would seem premature to take any action beyond further investigation (and perhaps also the sacking of the existing body of "relevant scientists" for their blatant incompetence and departure from the practice of actual science).

Before telling us that we're all doomed and that remedial action is urgently required, some of the more rational members of the populace, want to see that some rigorous scientific investigation has served as the basis for such conclusions. More objective science, and less of this apocalyptic religious zealousy, is what is required at this time.

When viewed in isolation to other factors, the effects of elevated concentrations of particular gases in a planetary atmosphere might indicate the possibility of a warming effect. But if there truly exists an adequate understanding of all factors concerned, then why do the projections of the models keep getting it so wrong?

Wysiwyg · 20 November 2016

The Fijian Prime Minister was pleading with country leaders to come see the effects of global warming on the island. Probably looks a bit destroyed after cyclone Winston in March. A big fat liar. Oh the global warming muppets have taken over the minds of ordinary people.

noco · 20 November 2016

Donald Trump has got it right......Global Warming is one gigantic UN scam and people are finally waking up to it all.

The UN just cannot keep lying about these things......sooner or later it will all come tumbling down.

Ves · 20 November 2016

cynic said:
The models have, by their repeated failings, proven that the climate is not adequately understood by the "relevant scientists" and, as such, at this juncture, it would seem premature to take any action beyond further investigation (and perhaps also the sacking of the existing body of "relevant scientists" for their blatant incompetence and departure from the practice of actual science).

This statement is both an example of the Continuum fallacy and the Nirvana fallacy.

This has been explained in this thread ad nauseam and since you continue to keep making the exact same statement I will let you educate yourself on these fallacies if you are interested.

Cheers

explod · 20 November 2016

Ves said:
This statement is both an example of the Continuum fallacy and the Nirvana fallacy.

This has been explained in this thread ad nauseam and since you continue to keep making the exact same statement I will let you educate yourself on these fallacies if you are interested.

Cheers

Agree.

And because of the doubt and the obvious and visible turmoil we cannot wait, this is gambling with the future of our children and grandchildren.

We have the alternatives and if supported by Governments will also create many jobs and new industries. We must stop burning coal and oil.

explod · 20 November 2016

The Caribbean is probably not the first place you’d think of when it comes to water scarcity, but a lack of rain plus poor infrastructure management””plus a severe economic crisis””has crippled the island’s freshwater reserves. It’s so bad that citizens are now subject to water rationing, which started in May: Some residents have their water cut off every three days for 48 hours at a time. Hefty fines are imposed upon water wasters and the National Guard has distributed purification systems to help those in rural areas. Today it was announced that rationing will be extended, with about 350,000 residents being hit with water restrictions. Water is also being shipped in to the island.

54 percent of India is experiencing high or extremely high water stress, according to the WRI’s India Water Tool

The searing, deadly temperatures cities like Mumbai saw earlier this spring are only making matters worse for the country, which is facing one of the biggest groundwater crises on the planet. A recent study with data collected by NASA’s Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE) satellites revealed that Northern India is home to the most quickly depleting aquifers on Earth. According to the World Resources Institute, it’s large-scale irrigation practices which are to blame, with farmers extracting so much water for agricultural purposes that the aquifers could collapse, ruining the supply of potable water forever. With so much of the population already without access to clean water due to widespread pollution, the loss of groundwater sources could be catastrophic.

Sao Poalo:

Municipal water shut-offs have also been a reality for the residents of this Brazilian city, which is one of the densest and most populous cities in the world. The worst drought in 80 years has been exacerbated by deforestation in the Amazon basin but that’s only one part of the problem here: The water system is polluted and has horrendously leaky pipes (and, of course, many are blaming the city’s failures on the exorbitant costs of last year’s World Cup). The region’s water system was nearly depleted earlier this spring and officials had to turn to emergency reserves, warning residents they might “need to flee.” Now the city’s electrical grid could also be compromised as much of the city’s power relies on hydroelectric dams which don’t have high enough flow to power them.

North Korea is coping with a 100-year drought that has decimated one main source of food production: It’s reporting that one-third of its rice paddies have dried up. Malnourishment is already widespread in the country and people have died due to government-controlled food rationing; it’s estimated that 2 to 3 million people in North Korea were killed in the last famine. Although some are claiming that North Korea exaggerates these claims to get humanitarian aid””its ally Iran has already offered to help””NASA captured these Landsat 7 images of North Korea from June 29, 2002 (left) and June 26, 2015. Red is vegetation, and as you can see, there’s a whole lot less of it now. Things in North Korea are bad enough. Now this?

Just love that "100 year event" expression as the extremes are in fact recurring all the time. A number of recent 100 year floods have hit some places twice in the last 12 months. The problem is that combined with the dry good soil is being washed away also at an alarming rate.

From GIZMODO

explod · 20 November 2016

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And the massive number of sudden 100 year floods are becoming too much to properly document.

trainspotter · 20 November 2016

Gonna buy this for 11 million USD and take my chances with the ocean rising. No wait ... this house was built in 1900 on Tavern Island, Connecticut and there is NO SIGN of oceans rising as you can plainly see.

explod · 20 November 2016

trainspotter said:
Gonna buy this for 11 million USD and take my chances with the ocean rising. No wait ... this house was built in 1900 on Tavern Island, Connecticut and there is NO SIGN of oceans rising as you can plainly see.

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Gee that beach has receeded, looks like low tide too.

Be looking for a quick sale before the pool goes in too i'd say.

SirRumpole · 20 November 2016

trainspotter said:
Gonna buy this for 11 million USD and take my chances with the ocean rising. No wait ... this house was built in 1900 on Tavern Island, Connecticut and there is NO SIGN of oceans rising as you can plainly see.

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Where's the heliport ?

Wysiwyg · 20 November 2016

explod said:
We must stop burning coal and oil.

Will you lead the way? That is strip down to a modest leaf covering and live in the bush free of ALL materials and energies created with oil and coal. I doubt that very much.

Wysiwyg · 20 November 2016

trainspotter said:
Gonna buy this for 11 million USD and take my chances with the ocean rising. No wait ... this house was built in 1900 on Tavern Island, Connecticut and there is NO SIGN of oceans rising as you can plainly see.

Be interesting to see an image of the island in 1700's when first landed on by whities. No camera back then but if a global warming disciple then it would be because of the industrial revolution as are all present day natural events.

noco · 20 November 2016

explod said:
And the massive number of sudden 100 year floods are becoming too much to properly document.

Ah yes...The good old UN Climate Change committee and their fake claims.

Plod, better book your flight to Mars...The end of the World is near.

:bs::crap:

explod · 20 November 2016

noco said:
Ah yes...The good old UN Climate Change committee and their fake claims.

Plod, better book your flight to Mars...The end of the World is near.

:bs::crap:

How are occurring events before our very eyes fake noco.

Increasingly occurring I might add, in fact the UN is about four years behind where we're going now. Polar bears walking on dry land now.

noco · 20 November 2016

explod said:
How are occurring events before our very eyes fake noco.

Increasingly occurring I might add, in fact the UN is about four years behind where we're going now. Polar bears walking on dry land now.

Plod, it has all happened before....You just won't accept it......You just keep plodding along with your Green bible and people are now well awake to it all..

Watch the next Queensland state election where the Green vote will be way behind One Nation...

The Greens had better change their ways and start listening to the people or it will be their demise.

explod · 20 November 2016

noco said:
Plod, it has all happened before....You just won't accept it......You just keep plodding along with your Green bible and people are now well awake to it all..

Watch the next Queensland state election where the Green vote will be way behind One Nation...

The Greens had better change their ways and start listening to the people or it will be their demise.

It has not happened at this rate before noco (apart from the volcano and meteorite hits).

And your ole Greenland was an isolated area due to weather flows being blocked further to its north.

I have posted some real and current events today, how about some real and current events to back your stance.

And dont' you worry about the Greens, recent Council elections see us plodding upwards very well. I think the Country Party is doomed though and the old rant of "jobs and growth" with no plans of substance behind it are seeing the Libs fall too.

noco · 20 November 2016

explod said:
It has not happened at this rate before noco (apart from the volcano and meteorite hits).

And your ole Greenland was an isolated area due to weather flows being blocked further to its north.

I have posted some real and current events today, how about some real and current events to back your stance.

And dont' you worry about the Greens, recent Council elections see us plodding upwards very well. I think the Country Party is doomed though and the old rant of "jobs and growth" with no plans of substance behind it are seeing the Libs fall too.

Your current events, as usual, are fake...Just ask Donald Trump....He is on the ground and up to speed with the UN and their scam.

Many predictions, 10 to 15 years ago by Tim Flannery and other alarmist are now proving to be false....Flannery said there would never be enough rains to fill the dams around Melbourne,Sydney and Brisbane......He also said there would be permanent drought in the West......The West, central Australia and western Queensland have had their best rains in years thanks to to the Dipole system from the Indian ocean.

Jobs and growth?????.....The Greens are trying stop and disrupt progress, new mines, new dams and job growth where ever and when ever they can.

SirRumpole · 20 November 2016

noco said:
Your current events, as usual, are fake...Just ask Donald Trump....He is on the ground and up to speed with the UN and their scam.

I really think you have lost it mate. A guy who told so many lies to get elected he's starting to believe his own lies.

As far as credibility goes, he's got zero, so please quit quoting his b.s.

explod · 20 November 2016

noco said:
Your current events, as usual, are fake...Just ask Donald Trump....He is on the ground and up to speed with the UN and their scam.

Many predictions, 10 to 15 years ago by Tim Flannery and other alarmist are now proving to be false....Flannery said there would never be enough rains to fill the dams around Melbourne,Sydney and Brisbane......He also said there would be permanent drought in the West......The West, central Australia and western Queensland have had their best rains in years thanks to to the Dipole system from the Indian ocean.

Jobs and growth?????.....The Greens are trying stop and disrupt progress, new mines, new dams and job growth where ever and when ever they can.

Tim Flannery and most others did not anticipate the effect that warmer polar regions would have on air and moisture movement.

The whole system is very complex and difficult even for the best of science. Which is why it is fair game for distortion by deniers.

I work on the basis that things are not looking good and that we cannot take the risk in case the worse case scenarios may be correct.

The amount of work that could be generated by high intensity farming on small lots with families help to fully sustain themselves would create huge opportunities.

As I have said before, 400 families could be housed and feed themselves on our old 600 acre family farm. But it would not be profitable for the right wing fascists or for coal or oil. But could be a good start in protecting our planet from what appears to be looming.

cynic · 20 November 2016

Ves said:
This statement is both an example of the Continuum fallacy and the Nirvana fallacy.

This has been explained in this thread ad nauseam and since you continue to keep making the exact same statement I will let you educate yourself on these fallacies if you are interested.

Cheers

Thanks for that Ves. I had a quick look at some examples of those fallacies. Perhaps some will believe me to have a blind spot here, but I am not really seeing the presence of those fallacies without at least a little bit of stretching.

I do however, acknowledge that I am viewing this debate with a significant level of prejudice against the apocalyptic arguments being so eagerly presented. This prejudice has been formed over some years now, and is largely attributable to my resentment towards those whom so hastily claim virtually any meteorological event as evidential proof of their apocalyptic philosophy. Whilst that doesn't necessarily mean that their is no problem, it does mean that I consider many apocalyptic claims suspect on account of the behaviour of those making such claims.

They are going to need to do a lot better, in the future, to regain the trust of myself (and others like myself) if they are to have any chance of regaining the trust and confidence that has been all but obliterated by such zealous behaviour.

The downside of all this, is that if any sound claims are presented , such gems might not be easily recognisable amidst all the faeces that is now permeating the media and academic fields.

Some may call myself (and others like myself) "deniers", but such unenlightened people only have themselves (and their departure from rationality into hysteria) to blame for the scepticism and contempt that they are encountering.

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