Resisting Climate Hysteria

[luutzu]

Especially in Tassie, where Greens have the most influence

How's QLD doing Sifu?

 

[Tisme]

So Murdoch's bedding of the Chinese commo a couple decade ago weren't an accident then?

Murdoch jumped into bed with John Howard & coy back in 1975, publishing contrived and viscous untruths about Whitlam.... he managed to scare the bejesus out of every half wit who would take the bait. Tony Abbott learned from his master's voice.

John Howard brought Khemlani to Oz with the view of seeing the paper trail of malfeasance in two suit cases brought by Khemlani to a Canberra hotel room.... all for nought. The real malfeasance was John and his snivelling mates. Another Murdoch inspired event.

Murdoch put Whitlam in only because he hated Menzies and McMahon for being in the Packer Empire corner. When Gough didn't do as he was told, Rupert took exception to the insolence and ingratitude by sending the word to all the editors 10 months before the dismissal to politically assassinate Whitlam. And kill his career they did. This was a new low that repeated itself in the Gillard reign.

Murdoch doesn't care about political tags, he just wants to control it.

 

[wayneL]

How's QLD doing Sifu?

Just had a nice storm, but Labor has ####ed the economy.

 

[noco]

Murdoch jumped into bed with John Howard & coy back in 1975, publishing contrived and viscous untruths about Whitlam.... he managed to scare the bejesus out of every half wit who would take the bait. Tony Abbott learned from his master's voice.

John Howard brought Khemlani to Oz with the view of seeing the paper trail of malfeasance in two suit cases brought by Khemlani to a Canberra hotel room.... all for nought. The real malfeasance was John and his snivelling mates. Another Murdoch inspired event.

Murdoch put Whitlam in only because he hated Menzies and McMahon for being in the Packer Empire corner. When Gough didn't do as he was told, Rupert took exception to the insolence and ingratitude by sending the word to all the editors 10 months before the dismissal to politically assassinate Whitlam. And kill his career they did. This was a new low that repeated itself in the Gillard reign.

Murdoch doesn't care about political tags, he just wants to control it.

Tisme, are you sure you have your facts right about John Howard's association with Khemlani?

John Howard did not enter politics until May 1974......The Labor Mines and energy Minister Rex O'Connor was the one associated with Khlemlani in 1975........O'Connor tried to borrow big heaps of money to buy back the farm ( all the mines) and place them under central control of the Labor Socialist Government.....I doubt John Howard being a junior back bencher would have had too much say....There was a Trevor Howard floating around at that time.

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/fact-sheets/fs239.aspx

A plan to develop Australia’s minerals and energy resources

Reginald Francis Xavier (‘Rex’) Connor, Australia’s Minister for Minerals and Energy from 1972 to 1975, saw enormous potential for Australia to develop its considerable minerals and energy resources in a way that retained Australian control over them. With a world energy crisis and a worsening economy, Connor looked to overseas loans through non-traditional sources as the solution. The series of events that occurred as Connor pursued these loans through 1974 and 1975 became known as the 'loans affair'.

In November 1974, through a chain of personalities that included fellow minister Clyde Cameron, Adelaide businessman, Gerry Karidis, and contacts of Karidis in Hong Kong and Amsterdam, Connor was introduced to a London-based commodities trader named Tirath Khemlani. On 13 December 1974 a meeting of the Federal Executive Council gave Connor authorisation to raise loans of US$4,000 million for what was described as ‘temporary purposes’ (this allowed the decision to bypass the Loan Council). Governor-General, Sir John Kerr, was not at the meeting, but signed the minute the next day. This authority was revoked in early January, but on 28 January the Council again authorised Connor to seek loans – this time of US$2,000 million.

 

[Tisme]

Tisme, are you sure you have your facts right about John Howard's association with Khemlani?

Absolutely. I know my politics Noco and he was in their boots and all. He was the new breed of polly who actually detested the Labor Party, not merely played to the crowd. It was something even Malcolm Fraser couldn't have realised at the time.... when the game became serious and hate entered through the front door.

Khemlani was a CIA plant who had never organised a loan in his life, but was there to seduce Rex Connor into a loan that never happened; Gough made sure Rex pulled the plug but Murdoch kept the smoking gun going without any basis of truth.

 

[noco]

Absolutely. I know my politics Noco and he was in their boots and all. He was the new breed of polly who actually detested the Labor Party, not merely played to the crowd. It was something even Malcolm Fraser couldn't have realised at the time.... when the game became serious and hate entered through the front door.

I have tried to find a ink to your statement about John Howard.....Also John Howard was a member of the opposition.

Can you please supply me with a link?
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[macca]

I have tried to find a ink to your statement about John Howard.....Also John Howard was a member of the opposition.

Can you please supply me with a link?
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Hi Noco,

Not the link you want but this article came up on Google and was published by the Age, so you can be assured that if there was any way they could criticise John Howard they would have.

Interesting read but does seem to blame it all on Labor Govt

http://www.theage.com.au/news/Natio...air-to-remember/2004/12/31/1104344982914.html

 

[Tisme]

I can't believe people don't know what actually happened. Of course Murdoch press isn't going carry the actual events when it was complicit in the charade.

Time line:

Rex Connor needed $4bn to jump start Australia's commodities boom.

Gerry Karidis was friends with Clyde Cameron and reckoned he could help by hooking up with Arab money. Clyde let Rex and trendite mate Jim Cairns know.

Khemlani was the potential broker of the petro dollar loan that would be laundered through several shopfronts, just like they are commonly done today.

Khemlani and Karidis met Rex on 11th November (ring any bells on that date?)

After a couple of months Rex realised it was all a farce and terminated Khemlani's commission

Khemlani persisted and persisted with fake loan offerings and Connor was stupid enough to entertain them even though he had lost the authority to make a deal. Enough correspondence accumulated for Khemlani approach the Libs and offer them the trigger they needed for conspiracy. The Libs and Murdoch jumped at the opportunity.

Khemlani himself went on to be arrested for fraud in the US, but plea bargained a suspended sentence in exchange for spilling the beans on the gangsters he had been working for.

Forged documents from nowhere showed up and the game began.

Philip Lynch organises for Khemlani to come into Australia secretly. Whitlam is aware, but stupidly naive that politics has changed into nasty.

Two suitcase full of documents in tow, Khemlani arrives and is taken by John Howard to a Canberra hotel room, where the gang go over the documents looking for the smoking gun, but there isn't anything to see

Howard, Murdoch and Lynch are unphased and proceed to scare the public and demonise the govt regardless.

It was the trigger that moved us away from the balanced national interest to self serving political interest and the disillusionment and ambivalence of the today's voters .

 

[luutzu]

I can't believe people don't know what actually happened. Of course Murdoch press isn't going carry the actual events when it was complicit in the charade.

Time line:

Rex Connor needed $4bn to jump start Australia's commodities boom.

Gerry Karidis was friends with Clyde Cameron and reckoned he could help by hooking up with Arab money. Clyde let Rex and trendite mate Jim Cairns know.

Khemlani was the potential broker of the petro dollar loan that would be laundered through several shopfronts, just like they are commonly done today.

Khemlani and Karidis met Rex on 11th November (ring any bells on that date?)

After a couple of months Rex realised it was all a farce and terminated Khemlani's commission

Khemlani persisted and persisted with fake loan offerings and Connor was stupid enough to entertain them even though he had lost the authority to make a deal. Enough correspondence accumulated for Khemlani approach the Libs and offer them the trigger they needed for conspiracy. The Libs and Murdoch jumped at the opportunity.

Khemlani himself went on to be arrested for fraud in the US, but plea bargained a suspended sentence in exchange for spilling the beans on the gangsters he had been working for.

Forged documents from nowhere showed up and the game began.

Philip Lynch organises for Khemlani to come into Australia secretly. Whitlam is aware, but stupidly naive that politics has changed into nasty.

Two suitcase full of documents in tow, Khemlani arrives and is taken by John Howard to a Canberra hotel room, where the gang go over the documents looking for the smoking gun, but there isn't anything to see

Howard, Murdoch and Lynch are unphased and proceed to scare the public and demonise the govt regardless.

It was the trigger that moved us away from the balanced national interest to self serving political interest and the disillusionment and ambivalence of the today's voters .

Darnmit!

Australian politics can be interesting.

Oh ey, what's the CIA's role in Whitlam's coup?

From a John Pilger [?] doco and that other book on Murdoch, there's a passing reference to how the US considered Whitlam to be "a threat to Australia's security and national interest"... all because he wanted the Australian gov't to know the whereabouts of US intelligence on Australian soil. That and not granting them bases.

 

[Tisme]

Darnmit!

Australian politics can be interesting.

Oh ey, what's the CIA's role in Whitlam's coup?

You know how Whitlam knew about the Libs having Khemlani over? Well someone in Hawaii found a teletext from the CIA to it's operative that instructed him to use his influence to bring down Whitlam via a loans scandal; it was sent to Gough. A forged pivotal document was one piece of influence, later admitted to by a named CIA operative and presumably implausible enough for Howard not to bother with.

From a John Pilger [?] doco and that other book on Murdoch, there's a passing reference to how the US considered Whitlam to be "a threat to Australia's security and national interest"... all because he wanted the Australian gov't to know the whereabouts of US intelligence on Australian soil. That and not granting them bases.

Whitlam was jumping the gun on diplomacy with China. Harold Holt and Willy McMahon had managed to insult the Republic by recognising Taiwan over the mainland, but thinking trade was a possibility.... the Chinese were pretty pissed off at our impudence. Mick Young organised an ALP outing with the Chinese boss rather than making it a shadow govt meet and greet. You can imagine how the Libs reacted to that.

Rupert paid some of the cost of travel in exchange for several articles of the trip by Whitlam to be published in The Australian. Gough got on pally well with the Chinese Premier and the US got pretty edgy, even though Gough made it clear the ALP policy enshrined ANSUS and SEATO and saw the US as it's primary ally in all things.

Although Canada had already managed a wheat deal, Gough's visit forced the hand of the US to establish trade and diplomatic dialogue, which was a domestic save face problem after all the years of McCarthyism.

 

[Tisme]

I should add that Willy McMahon went to jelly when he found out Nixon was jumping on the Whitlam bandwagon. He asked if he could go with Nixon, to carry bags presumably

 

[noco]

I can't believe people don't know what actually happened. Of course Murdoch press isn't going carry the actual events when it was complicit in the charade.

Tim

Philip Lynch organises for Khemlani to come into Australia secretly. Whitlam is aware, but stupidly naive that politics has changed into nasty.

In your post #8722 you stated John Howard brought Khemlani to Australia but in this post #8728 you now state Philip Lynch was the one.

Are you trying to implicate John Howard by association?...He may well have been involved in viewing 2 suit cases of documents with Philip Lynch but you seem to have contradicted yourself on this occasion.
:topic again.

 

[Tisme]

In your post #8722 you stated John Howard brought Khemlani to Australia but in this post #8728 you now state Philip Lynch was the one.

Are you trying to implicate John Howard by association?...He may well have been involved in viewing 2 suit cases of documents with Philip Lynch but you seem to have contradicted yourself on this occasion.
:topic again.

Oh for goodness sakes Noco. You have the opportunity to learn something and you let your thinly disguised hate of me get in the way. They were a cabal.

Please don't bother asking if you just want to play Perry Masonesque games.

 

[moXJO]

Yeah that's the "labor touch up" to history.
The labor govt tried to sneak one past and the opposition caught them out. Whitlam took an overseas trip while others did his dirty work.

Letters and such from the national archives probably reveal the real story.
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.naa.gov.au/Images/TheLoansAffair_tcm16-45426.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwj604i81prQAhVBUWMKHeISBBUQFgghMAM&usg=AFQjCNF3U9S8nksX16qgQzbwgycn3DtZrg&sig2=dJgx75_wRMrYr5fJ0YlqzQ

 

[noco]

Oh for goodness sakes Noco. You have the opportunity to learn something and you let your thinly disguised hate of me get in the way. They were a cabal.

Please don't bother asking if you just want to play Perry Masonesque games.

Tisme, I am sorry if you don't like being brought to heal......You should also learn that it is the Government opposition duty to hold the Government to account...That is what the Green/Labor left wing socialists keep harping on about.

In this case it was Philip Lynch who was doing his duty to hold Whitlam and Connor to account over the loans affair in 1975.....John Howard would have played only a very small part in the affair.

You, being the political expert as you profess to be, I would have thought you would have known all this....What do you think?

 

[Tisme]

Tisme, I am sorry if you don't like being brought to heal......You should also learn that it is the Government opposition duty to hold the Government to account...That is what the Green/Labor left wing socialists keep harping on about.

In this case it was Philip Lynch who was doing his duty to hold Whitlam and Connor to account over the loans affair in 1975.....John Howard would have played only a very small part in the affair.

You, being the political expert as you profess to be, I would have thought you would have known all this....What do you think?

Now you are lecturing me on the basics of parliament And I gave up indignantly reacting to snide taunts & teasing, around grade 3 time, when I started to understand that some people aren't as clever as the few of us and should be allowed to fabricate their own yarns and self esteem..

You should try long trousers some time.

 

[noco]

Now you are lecturing me on the basics of parliament And I gave up indignantly reacting to snide taunts & teasing, around grade 3 time, when I started to understand that some people aren't as clever as the few of us and should be allowed to fabricate their own yarns and self esteem..

You should try long trousers some time.

I believe you are a one time loser this time Tisme...You are totally confused in your own importance and your know all in politics....Your reply is a total confession of a c*ck up.
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[luutzu]

I should add that Willy McMahon went to jelly when he found out Nixon was jumping on the Whitlam bandwagon. He asked if he could go with Nixon, to carry bags presumably

Thanks McGee. And here I was thinking Australian history was all about unused land, sheep, cattle and iron ore.

Any good Australian historian you can recommend?

 

[Tisme]

Thanks McGee. And here I was thinking Australian history was all about unused land, sheep, cattle and iron ore.

Any good Australian historian you can recommend?

If you really want the scoop, you being in Canberra an all, there is probably a senior public servant or two who will help you with national politics over a red wine or two. Journos and pollies are good too and easy tongues with gossip off the record.

I'm currently being humbled with recognition in print and media regarding some aspects Australian history so I reckon I'm the bees knees. I was thinking I should defer to our venerable member who lives in Robert Towns' namesake village

 

[Tisme]

I believe you are a one time loser this time Tisme...You are totally confused in your own importance and your know all in politics....Your reply is a total confession of a c*ck up.
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Yadda yadda yadda ....haters are so easily wound up