Resisting Climate Hysteria

[luutzu]

Ummm you might want to do some research luutzu

In Australia to name a few ...



http://www.thebull.com.au/articles/a/61347-new-$650m-vic-wind-farm-approved.html

South Australia has the highest per capita take up of household solar power in Australia. The first commercial-scale PV power plant was opened in 2011, the Uterne Solar Power Station, a 1 MW capacity grid-connected solar photovoltaic system located 5 km south of Alice Springs in the Northern Territory.

Around the world ...

As of November 2014, Topaz Solar Farm was the largest PV solar plant in the world at 550 MWAC in central coast area and a second 550-MW plant, the Desert Sunlight Solar Farm is located in the far eastern desert region of Riverside County, California.

The Alta Wind Energy Center in California, United States is the largest onshore wind farm outside of China, with a capacity of 1,020 MW. As of April 2013, the 630 MW London Array in the UK is the largest offshore wind farm in the world, followed by the 504 MW Greater Gabbard wind farm in the UK.


So you see there are steps being taken to transition over to clean energy once the nasty Co2 and oil runs out.

Key word was seriousness of the investment effort.

Solar panel tech was developed way back in the 1950s for the Space programmes. Didn't really pick up or made much of until recently, right?

Most of the advances and cost reduction are due to China's gov't incentives and uptake - to diversify their energy mix since they're a bit late to the geopolitical party.

Anyway, how serious is that $650M wind turbine project compares to $150B new LNG projects in Australia?

 

[trainspotter]

Key word was seriousness of the investment effort.

Solar panel tech was developed way back in the 1950s for the Space programmes. Didn't really pick up or made much of until recently, right?

Most of the advances and cost reduction are due to China's gov't incentives and uptake - to diversify their energy mix since they're a bit late to the geopolitical party.

Anyway, how serious is that $650M wind turbine project compares to $150B new LNG projects in Australia?

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Not just Australia luutzu .... DYOR on how much it cost to build the London array wind farm

 

[luutzu]

Not just Australia luutzu .... DYOR on how much it cost to build the London array wind farm

I'm sure it costs hundreds of millions. Miniscule compare to new investment in fossil though right?

 

[wayneL]

Walk through your logic dude.

What you're saying is that since you don't have much of a carbon footprint, you're not responsible for, and do not care about, the cause and consequences of CC.

That's like walking down a street full of raw sewage, you just wade through it and not raise any issue because... well, because those aren't your shiet and so why should you or anyone care about the street being clean.

That's how ridiculous your thinking is if we replace carbon footprint with raw sewage.

Doesn't that make the actions of Leo and the chief alarmists even more heinous.

Double stsndard there grasshopper

 

[trainspotter]

I'm sure it costs hundreds of millions. Miniscule compare to new investment in fossil though right?

Ummm hundreds of billions of dollars for the London array to keep the UK powered into the future.

If you have a look at what is happening globally a LOT of fossil fuel companies are delaying or winding back exploration. But you knew that right?

 

[luutzu]

Ummm hundreds of billions of dollars for the London array to keep the UK powered into the future.

If you have a look at what is happening globally a LOT of fossil fuel companies are delaying or winding back exploration. But you knew that right?

Yea, they're winding back due to low oil prices right?

Guess how many new alternative energy projects are cancelled too.

 

[luutzu]

Doesn't that make the actions of Leo and the chief alarmists even more heinous.

Double stsndard there grasshopper

I'm sure Leo would fly around in solar powered jets if it's available. Til then, fossil powered jets it is.

Would it be better if Leo jet around and said nothing about CC? Seriously?

Again, raising concerns and attention to CC does not mean telling us to stop civilisation - it's telling us that ey, look into alternatives, we can't go on like this... and, and we like and enjoy all these we're having.

It's like getting from A to B... anway..

 

[cynic]

I'm sure Leo would fly around in solar powered jets if it's available. Til then, fossil powered jets it is.

Would it be better if Leo jet around and said nothing about CC? Seriously?

Again, raising concerns and attention to CC does not mean telling us to stop civilisation - it's telling us that ey, look into alternatives, we can't go on like this... and, and we like and enjoy all these we're having.

It's like getting from A to B... anway..

Leo could travel cattle class and thereby set an example of "walking the walk" rather than merely "talking the talk".

His hypocritical actions drowned out his words with the exact opposite message!

So yes, his grandstanding did the AGW alarmism cause a great disservice.

Thankyou Leo for making the task of the climate skeptics soooo much easier!

 

[luutzu]

Leo could travel cattle class and thereby set an example of "walking the walk" rather than merely "talking the talk".

His hypocritical actions drowned out his words with the exact opposite message!

So yes, his grandstanding did the AGW alarmism cause a great disservice.

Thankyou Leo for making the task of the climate skeptics soooo much easier!

Sooo...

A person who has minimal carbon footprint, such as yourself, shouldn't care about CC because your footprint is so small it's not your fault.

But, also...

A person who jets around and have a massive carbon footprint... they still shouldn't talk about it because... because they have a big footprint?



Gotta pick a consistent point to argue from Cryptic Monk.

Add to this... Scientists whose speciality is on climate science shouldn't talk about climate change either - because they're obviously biased.

Concerned citizens shouldn't talk about it, or believe scientists, or do anything about CC because....

what have you been smoking?

 

[cynic]

Talk is cheap luutzu!

If you want people to believe in yourself and your chosen religion then you need to be seen practicing rather than merely preaching!

Luutzu. Exactly which part of my post didn't you understand!

Oh, don't tell me let me guess!

The part that confronts the climate preacher with their own elite brand of hypocrisy!

Happy to preach to others what they can do, but when asked to demonstrate some actual commitment to the cause with some personal sacrifice, one is promptly inundated with excuses, excuses, excuses!

Now would you please stop distorting my posts and start practicising what you are preaching or shut the FTSE up!

 

[luutzu]

Luutzu. Exactly which part of my post didn't you understand!

Oh, don't tell me let me guess!

The part that confronts the climate preacher with their own elite brand of hypocrisy!

Happy to preach to others what they can do, but when asked to demonstrate some actual commitment to the cause with some personal sacrifice, one is promptly inundated with excuses, excuses, excuses!

Now would you please stop distorting my posts and start practicising what you are preaching or shut the FTSE up!

Sooo... doctors shouldn't advise people to eat healthily unless that doctor does not eat at all?

Oohhh... doctors should only recommend healthy diets if they themselves are also on healthy diets. Got it.

The fact that a healthy diet is good for the patient is irrelevant. What is important is the doctor practise what they preach. Kinda like a four year old not able to comprehend the message but copy-catting what the parent does ey.

So OK. Only those with a Tesla PowerWall pack, electric vehicle (or train/tram/bicycle/walk) or otherwise goes off the grid... only those are able to talk about carbon and its impact on CC.

But wait a minute... climate scientists and their minions are not, not, telling the world to switch off the grid. Not right now, not even ever. They're telling the world that the way these grids are powered, the way we keep pumping carbon into the atmosphere... these greatly contributes to CC and the result of full steam ahead like there's no tomorrow.

That is, to keep our current standard of living - find alternative sources to power it.

That is, such alternatives do exists... and, and our standard of living might actually improved from it.


Anyway, there's 16 pieces of solar panels on my roof. Does that count?

 

[cynic]

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Anyway, there's 16 pieces of solar panels on my roof. Does that count?

That's a start.

Why the recent overseas trip luutzu? Aren't you concerned for the welfare of your planet?

Or is that too much of a personal sacrifice for your cause?

 

[luutzu]

That's a start.

Why the recent overseas trip luutzu? Aren't you concerned for the welfare of your planet?

Or is that too much of a personal sacrifice for your cause?

I'm telling you what I'll tell my four year old: do as I say, not as I do.





You guys have got to come up with better argument against climate science than these kill the messenger stuff man. They're pretty weak.

btw, I thought those who care for the planet and the welfare of its parasites are the ones being "alarmist" about its health and the consequences from that. They might even care more about life going on as it is with all these alarmist science and facts.

No?

 

[cynic]

I'm telling you what I'll tell my four year old: do as I say, not as I do.





You guys have got to come up with better argument against climate science than these kill the messenger stuff man. They're pretty weak.

btw, I thought those who care for the planet and the welfare of its parasites are the ones being "alarmist" about its health and the consequences from that. They might even care more about life going on as it is with all these alarmist science and facts.

No?

Myself and others on this thread have raised a number of scientifically and logically valid questions concerning the pro alarmism claims being made. Those questions continue to remain unaddressed!

Actions speak louder than words! Anyone can preach any religion and falsely claim that the truth, facts, or other deities are on their side!

As I keep saying: "Talk is cheap!"

 

[luutzu]

Myself and others on this thread have raised a number of scientifically and logically valid questions concerning the pro alarmism claims being made. Those questions continue to remain unaddressed!

Actions speak louder than words! Anyone can preach any religion and falsely claim that the truth, facts, or other deities are on their side!

As I keep saying: "Talk is cheap!"

I know right?

As cheap as university degrees + years and decades of scientific research on the matter; as cheap as so-called Scientific organisations and them rocket scientists and their number crunching and fancy satellites.

I'll take my climate science from the Wall Street Journal and Fortune Magazine any day. There, reading the opinions of their "journalist", I can be sure no undue influence from business interests would ever take place.

 

[cynic]

I know right?

As cheap as university degrees + years and decades of scientific research on the matter; as cheap as so-called Scientific organisations and them rocket scientists and their number crunching and fancy satellites.

I'll take my climate science from the Wall Street Journal and Fortune Magazine any day. There, reading the opinions of their "journalist", I can be sure no undue influence from business interests would ever take place.

So am I to understand that universities offer infallibility to their patrons?

Wonderful. Perhaps some of those graduates would like to furnish some answers to the outstanding questions posed on this thread.

Any takers? Anyone?

 

[wayneL]

I'm sure Leo would fly around in solar powered jets if it's available. Til then, fossil powered jets it is.

Would it be better if Leo jet around and said nothing about CC? Seriously?

Again, raising concerns and attention to CC does not mean telling us to stop civilisation - it's telling us that ey, look into alternatives, we can't go on like this... and, and we like and enjoy all these we're having.

It's like getting from A to B... anway..

The attempted sophistry is so bad it's UNsophist.

Please, grasshopper, don't insult our intelligence.

 

[luutzu]

So am I to understand that universities offer infallibility to their patrons?

Wonderful. Perhaps some of those graduates would like to furnish some answers to the outstanding questions posed on this thread.

Any takers? Anyone?

I think those scientists actually studies and practises real science, not the bs economics and financial "sciences".

So while they might not be as bright as those giving opinions in the financial presses... you know, they sometime wear white coats and do lab work too. Gotta take people like that somewhat seriously. Haven't those toothpastes and Ford commercial shown us anything?

 

[luutzu]

The attempted sophistry is so bad it's UNsophist.

Please, grasshopper, don't insult our intelligence.

I know Sifu... but it's better than my cursing. I only know like two curse words to go with a war-face.

 

[cynic]

I think those scientists actually studies and practises real science, not the bs economics and financial "sciences".

So while they might not be as bright as those giving opinions in the financial presses... you know, they sometime wear white coats and do lab work too. Gotta take people like that somewhat seriously. Haven't those toothpastes and Ford commercial shown us anything?

Whoopee! They've actually done some lab work! That's great!

I did some lab work and wore a coat when I was at school also!

Does that grant my utterances infallibility and immunity from any and all challenges?

You went to university didn't you lutzuu?

Perhaps you can answer some of the questions posed by T.S. recently?

Or if you'd prefer something easier , maybe my questions surrounding the changes to isotopic carbon ratios and their causation.