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Resisting Climate Hysteria

Even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems” - Tim Flannery , 2007



Meanwhile..

It is a wonder Flim Flam Tim has not migrated to Saudi Arabia......He must now feel like an absolute fool as are his Green followers ...

Will someone tell them it has all to do with the Sun...Elementary science I learned at school....But of course those dead heads did not go to the same school as yours truly.

It must be climate change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
How far has our climate changed world wide ? If we want to see what is happening perhaps this analysis deserves a look.

It's particularly sobering to examine the second record which details the degree global temperature records have been smashed since October 2015.
Seven climate records set so far in 2016

From soaring temperatures in Alaska and India to Arctic sea ice melting and CO2 concentrations rising, this year is smashing records around the world

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/17/seven-climate-records-set-so-far-in-2016
 

Ahhhhhh The Guardian the most trusted of sources for global warming ... AHEM ... climate change ... AHEM ... Weather.
 
Ahhhhhh The Guardian the most trusted of sources for global warming ... AHEM ... climate change ... AHEM ... Weather.

Well it is cetainly less biased than Router's (Rothschild's) and Murdock's coal oil lobby rags.

Anthow, just had the warmest 5 months for the planet ever recorded and getting 100 year events every few months so alls good, back to sleep.

But reckon insurance companies will be writing belief into future contracts.
 
But reckon insurance companies will be writing belief into future contracts.

I should ask my actuary friend if factoring climate change is in the eqtn. as a big ticket item.
 
Ahhhhhh The Guardian the most trusted of sources for global warming ... AHEM ... climate change ... AHEM ... Weather.

Yeh Real shame you can't actually read past the words The Guardian isn't it TS ?

If you could you might have educated yourself on a whole range of climate change situations around the world. Particularly interesting to see by just how much world global temperature records have been broken since October 2015

But isn't it sooo much easier to simply say anything that comes from "The Guardian" can't be trusted . Yep understand you totally.

Pure xxxxxxx denial.
 

Resist the HYSTERIA basilio ....

The map above depicts global temperature anomalies in 2015. It does not show absolute temperatures, but instead shows how much warmer or cooler the Earth was compared to a baseline average from 1951 to 1980.

Oooeeerrrrr "a baseline average from 1951 to 1980" is not quite a millennia of global history of weather now is it basilio? And not to show ABSOLUTE temperatures??? Seriously basilio??

29 YEARS !!

But but but where did this information come from if not the "Guardian" ???

WHY NASA of course !! http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87359
 

One correct out of three statements aint bad for you explod

The insurance companies will certainly be blaming ANYTHING they can to increase premiums.
 
Resist the HYSTERIA basilio ....

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The hysteria seems to shifting to the deniers refusing to accept reality.

The deterioration of the climate due to man made pollution the clearing of trees and overpopulation is accellerating and we need to move our energies over to acceptance and cooperative solutions.
 

For once I agree with half of what you have stated.

Define man made pollution? Clearing of trees is forest degradation and not Climate Change. Overpopulation ... Hmmm go and watch the movie the Kingsman to resolve that issue.

The REALITY is that creating HYSTERIA will not fix one damn thing. Nup not a thing. Zero in fact. NADA at all.

Not once have I claimed nor accepted the title of "DENIER" ... try reality in the real world explod and Pullleeeze do not go on about the frogs dying again.

Co2 is only a small part of the equation. Scientists creating fairy tales to keep their snouts in the trough of billions of dollars of funding so they can keep performing "research" is another matter all together.

Ask basilio how the "scientists" averaged out sea temperatures from the water intake of ships crossing the oceans from the 1930's onwards using a mercury thermometer and not knowing which side of the water intake the temperature or what depth it was taken from and they deduced the sea temperature is RISING

How is this for a BIGGER problem then explod ....

MICROBEADS


https://news.vice.com/article/micro...oy-the-environment-so-california-may-ban-them

 

Oh please stop exaggerating....the alarmist are becoming a minority and it is about time you Greenies faced reality that climate change has all to do with the Sun....It has been explained to you a dozen times and you still carry on with your brainwashed philosophy.

You have exaggerated about Greenland...you have exaggerated about the Great Barrier Reef.....Flannery exaggerated about no more rains filling our dams and you have been proven wrong time and time again.

Time for you to rethink or just give up...The majority of us are sick to death of all this crap and madness by the Greens.
 
It is so tiresome TS, is it not, to have to keep reiterating these things?

And plod's amateur switcheroo strategy, is kust laughable.

Meanwhile, yes, microbeads etc.

The world is in deep **** and these clowns run interference.
 
It is so tiresome TS, is it not, to have to keep reiterating these things?

And plod's amateur switcheroo strategy, is kust laughable.

Meanwhile, yes, microbeads etc.

The world is in deep **** and these clowns run interference.

ego idem & assentior wayneL .. does get a bit like a stuck record at times

As Nelson Mandela said, “Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.”
 
Absolutely nothing wrong with recognising just how many other serious, serious problems we face.

Plastic microbeads. A very big deal. Destruction of forests up there as well. But am I allowed to quote "The Guardian" on such problems or will our residents experts dismiss any such information out of hand because it's from The Guardian ?

Summarily dismissing the work of NASA, World Meteorological Organisation, Australia Bureau of Meteorology , ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies and others because their information is quoted in The Guardian is just plain nuts. Or denial. Take your pick.

The extreme climatic events in the past year have taken concerns about the impact of climate change from somewhere in the future to the near present.

But TS would prefer to bang on about sea level temperatures from 50 years ago being suspect rather than face up to world wide temperature records being shattered month after month and the challenges and consequences we will face dealing with this reality.

The article I quoted originally just gave the bare facts of the extreme climate conditions in the past 12 months. If you want to join the dots of what the consequences of these situations this article does that.

(Please take your heart tablets now folks. I don't want to you to go apoplectic on us...)

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https://www.theguardian.com/environ...limate-change-emergency-today-scientists-warn
 

"A number of independant measurements of solar activity indicate the sun has shown a slight cooling trend since 1960, over the same period that global temperatures have been warming. Over the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been moving in opposite directions. An analysis of solar trends concluded that the sun actually contributed to a slight cooling in recent decades. (Lockwood 2008)

Another study (Foster and Ralmstar 2011) also found that from 1979 to 2010, solar activity had a very light cooling effect... "

And very many other studies confirm those above. See" Skeptical Science, Getting skeptical about global warming skepticism"
 
It is so tiresome TS, is it not, to have to keep reiterating these things?

And plod's amateur switcheroo strategy, is kust laughable.

Meanwhile, yes, microbeads etc.

The world is in deep **** and these clowns run interference.

Would like you to be a bit more specific wayneL. You tend to talk in odd and often indecipherable language.

When I was responsible for the publication of intergovernmental document's I learnt to phrase so that all could understand for compliance in sometimes life or death situations. No room for any mistakes.

So tiresome dealing with many in the elite who are uneducated to the world on the ground.
 

It's called English, Mr Plod. You know, our mother tongue of 50,000 words, the world language, the most beautiful language for literature. Sometimes it pays to play to the lowest common denominator, but in allegedly intelligent debate, this only serves to debase, rather than to edify.

I for one don't regard sesquipedalianism or punctiliousness as indecipherable.

But to simplify it down for you the assignation of hysteria to those in the moderate camp is ludicrous and mendacious, not to mention your ( and others) odious insistence on the use of the "denier" tag. It reveals a intellectually gruesome willingness to defame and vilify on the basis of a lie.
 

1) It's just that you are lumping it ALL into one heap and calling it Global Warming / Climate Change. EXAMPLE - The salmon dying in North America you "quoted" was caused by Global Warming was actually a disease of the gills caused by too much fertiliser in the water the fish were swimming in from farmers using fertiliser prior to heavy rains

2) I regularly quote NASA, IPCC, CSIRO, UCSUSA, CCRC amongst other notable leading BUREAUS of weather forecasters as evidence but your information seems to come from one NEWSPAPER that isn't exactly the pillar of truth now is it ??? The Guardian will print ANYTHING it thinks will sell newspapers ... that's it's job basilio

3) See above - I like my nut's sprinkled over ice cream and chocolate sauce thanks basilio

4) Extreme climactic events? Oh you mean WEATHER ?? An extreme climactic event is a volcano erupting or a meteor hitting Earth. NOAA said it is due to El Nino - The Atlantic had a below average hurricane season - So on 10th July 1913 what happened basilio? DYOR

5a) Isn't it bizarre behaviour you are exuding in regards to using the sea temperatures from 1930's ships as EVIDENCE the sea temperature is rising now you are discrediting the same information you held up for all to see as GOSPEL and PROOF that this is happening. FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP - oh look there goes basilio.

5b) Isn't it a bit bizarre when you type into Google "temperature records shattered" and it all is about how HOT it is getting and Global Warming is here to stay blah blah blah. Yet when you type in "Freezing temperature records shattered" ... yet again DYOR. No wait ... that must be Climate Change as some parts are getting hotter and some parts are getting colder. No wait .. that was from El Nino and the Polar Vortex

6) The article is designed to sell newspapers. End of discussion.

Scientists measuring oxygen isotopes from ice cores drilled in Greenland and Antarctica (among other methods) report that temperatures were significantly warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years. With the exception of the Little Ice Age, which lasted from approximately 1300-1850 and which almost ushered in a full-blown new ice age epoch, current temperatures remain cooler than almost all other time periods in human history.

Here is a question for you to ponder basilio - Temperatures have been significantly warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years so how did the Great Barrier Reef survive? Think about it.

Have a BEX and a lie down basilio
 
Well TS that was a pretty detailed rebuttal of my observations. But it was the last paragraph that took my breath away and makes me wonder at your understanding of global warming.

Your statement is

This just isn't true in any way, shape or form.
We have had this conversation at least twice before in this thread but somehow you you still seem to think that there is nothing special or concerning about the steep rise in global temperatures in the past 100 years and in particular the last 40 odd.

I had a look on the net for evidence/comments on the "last 10,000 years statement". It turns out it was crafted by Monckton who used one set of figures taken from the central Greenland icecap. The trouble was these figures were only valid until 1855 And the world clearly wasn't warming up at that stage.

The entire analysis of this piece of can be found at Sceptical Scientist


https://www.skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm

So what has happened from 1855 until now that is causing us concern ?? NOAA offers an analysis of how temperatures have changed over the past 10,000 years and where we currently are. Note that this is 20 months old now and we have seen temperatures jump by .5C in that time.



https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/what’s-hottest-earth-has-been-“lately”

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PS

Your last comment about the survival of the survival of the Great Barrier Reef should have been a clue to what has actually happened for the last 10,000 years.

It has not been warmer. The Reef is now in trouble because of the recent steep increases in global temperature and ocean temperatures
 
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