Resisting Climate Hysteria

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“Even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems” - Tim Flannery , 2007



Meanwhile..

It is a wonder Flim Flam Tim has not migrated to Saudi Arabia......He must now feel like an absolute fool as are his Green followers ...

Will someone tell them it has all to do with the Sun...Elementary science I learned at school....But of course those dead heads did not go to the same school as yours truly.

It must be climate change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[basilio]

How far has our climate changed world wide ? If we want to see what is happening perhaps this analysis deserves a look.

It's particularly sobering to examine the second record which details the degree global temperature records have been smashed since October 2015.

Seven climate records set so far in 2016

From soaring temperatures in Alaska and India to Arctic sea ice melting and CO2 concentrations rising, this year is smashing records around the world

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/17/seven-climate-records-set-so-far-in-2016

 

[trainspotter]

How far has our climate changed world wide ? If we want to see what is happening perhaps this analysis deserves a look.

It's particularly sobering to examine the second record which details the degree global temperature records have been smashed since October 2015.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/17/seven-climate-records-set-so-far-in-2016

Ahhhhhh The Guardian the most trusted of sources for global warming ... AHEM ... climate change ... AHEM ... Weather.

 

[explod]

Ahhhhhh The Guardian the most trusted of sources for global warming ... AHEM ... climate change ... AHEM ... Weather.

Well it is cetainly less biased than Router's (Rothschild's) and Murdock's coal oil lobby rags.

Anthow, just had the warmest 5 months for the planet ever recorded and getting 100 year events every few months so alls good, back to sleep.

But reckon insurance companies will be writing belief into future contracts.

 

[Tisme]

But reckon insurance companies will be writing belief into future contracts.

I should ask my actuary friend if factoring climate change is in the eqtn. as a big ticket item.

 

[basilio]

Ahhhhhh The Guardian the most trusted of sources for global warming ... AHEM ... climate change ... AHEM ... Weather.

Yeh Real shame you can't actually read past the words The Guardian isn't it TS ?

If you could you might have educated yourself on a whole range of climate change situations around the world. Particularly interesting to see by just how much world global temperature records have been broken since October 2015

But isn't it sooo much easier to simply say anything that comes from "The Guardian" can't be trusted . Yep understand you totally.

Pure xxxxxxx denial.

 

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How far has our climate changed world wide ? If we want to see what is happening perhaps this analysis deserves a look.

It's particularly sobering to examine the second record which details the degree global temperature records have been smashed since October 2015.


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/17/seven-climate-records-set-so-far-in-2016

Hmmmmm.....from the good old reliable Guardian...Distorter of the truth by self admission.

 

[trainspotter]

Yeh Real shame you can't actually read past the words The Guardian isn't it TS ?

If you could you might have educated yourself on a whole range of climate change situations around the world. Particularly interesting to see by just how much world global temperature records have been broken since October 2015

But isn't it sooo much easier to simply say anything that comes from "The Guardian" can't be trusted . Yep understand you totally.

Pure xxxxxxx denial.

Resist the HYSTERIA basilio ....

The map above depicts global temperature anomalies in 2015. It does not show absolute temperatures, but instead shows how much warmer or cooler the Earth was compared to a baseline average from 1951 to 1980.

Oooeeerrrrr "a baseline average from 1951 to 1980" is not quite a millennia of global history of weather now is it basilio? And not to show ABSOLUTE temperatures??? Seriously basilio??

29 YEARS !!

But but but where did this information come from if not the "Guardian" ???

WHY NASA of course !! http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=87359

 

[trainspotter]

Well it is cetainly less biased than Router's (Rothschild's) and Murdock's coal oil lobby rags.

Anthow, just had the warmest 5 months for the planet ever recorded and getting 100 year events every few months so alls good, back to sleep.

But reckon insurance companies will be writing belief into future contracts.

One correct out of three statements aint bad for you explod

The insurance companies will certainly be blaming ANYTHING they can to increase premiums.

 

[explod]

Resist the HYSTERIA basilio ....

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The hysteria seems to shifting to the deniers refusing to accept reality.

The deterioration of the climate due to man made pollution the clearing of trees and overpopulation is accellerating and we need to move our energies over to acceptance and cooperative solutions.

 

[trainspotter]

The hysteria seems to shifting to the deniers refusing to accept reality.

The deterioration of the climate due to man made pollution the clearing of trees and overpopulation is accellerating and we need to move our energies over to acceptance and cooperative solutions.

For once I agree with half of what you have stated.

Define man made pollution? Clearing of trees is forest degradation and not Climate Change. Overpopulation ... Hmmm go and watch the movie the Kingsman to resolve that issue.

The REALITY is that creating HYSTERIA will not fix one damn thing. Nup not a thing. Zero in fact. NADA at all.

Not once have I claimed nor accepted the title of "DENIER" ... try reality in the real world explod and Pullleeeze do not go on about the frogs dying again.

Co2 is only a small part of the equation. Scientists creating fairy tales to keep their snouts in the trough of billions of dollars of funding so they can keep performing "research" is another matter all together.

Ask basilio how the "scientists" averaged out sea temperatures from the water intake of ships crossing the oceans from the 1930's onwards using a mercury thermometer and not knowing which side of the water intake the temperature or what depth it was taken from and they deduced the sea temperature is RISING

How is this for a BIGGER problem then explod ....

MICROBEADS

Conservationists note that aquatic species mistake the beads for sediment, zooplankton, and other small organisms, and eat them as food. As the plastic freely enters the environment, it is increasingly likely that people will consume toxic fish. Research from 2012-2013 found that microbeads were having a major impact on the Great Lakes region, which holds 20 percent of the world's surface fresh water.

The 5 Gyres Institute, an organization that fights to eliminate plastic pollution, says that a single tube of facial cleanser can contain upwards of 300,000 microbeads. The group has been leading the fight for a ban in California along with Clean Water Action, Californians Against Waste, and the Story of Stuff Project.

https://news.vice.com/article/micro...oy-the-environment-so-california-may-ban-them

 

[noco]

The hysteria seems to shifting to the deniers refusing to accept reality.

The deterioration of the climate due to man made pollution the clearing of trees and overpopulation is accellerating and we need to move our energies over to acceptance and cooperative solutions.

Oh please stop exaggerating....the alarmist are becoming a minority and it is about time you Greenies faced reality that climate change has all to do with the Sun....It has been explained to you a dozen times and you still carry on with your brainwashed philosophy.

You have exaggerated about Greenland...you have exaggerated about the Great Barrier Reef.....Flannery exaggerated about no more rains filling our dams and you have been proven wrong time and time again.

Time for you to rethink or just give up...The majority of us are sick to death of all this crap and madness by the Greens.

 

[wayneL]

It is so tiresome TS, is it not, to have to keep reiterating these things?

And plod's amateur switcheroo strategy, is kust laughable.

Meanwhile, yes, microbeads etc.

The world is in deep **** and these clowns run interference.

 

[trainspotter]

It is so tiresome TS, is it not, to have to keep reiterating these things?

And plod's amateur switcheroo strategy, is kust laughable.

Meanwhile, yes, microbeads etc.

The world is in deep **** and these clowns run interference.

ego idem & assentior wayneL .. does get a bit like a stuck record at times

As Nelson Mandela said, “Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.”

 

[basilio]

Absolutely nothing wrong with recognising just how many other serious, serious problems we face.

Plastic microbeads. A very big deal. Destruction of forests up there as well. But am I allowed to quote "The Guardian" on such problems or will our residents experts dismiss any such information out of hand because it's from The Guardian ?

Summarily dismissing the work of NASA, World Meteorological Organisation, Australia Bureau of Meteorology , ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies and others because their information is quoted in The Guardian is just plain nuts. Or denial. Take your pick.

The extreme climatic events in the past year have taken concerns about the impact of climate change from somewhere in the future to the near present.

But TS would prefer to bang on about sea level temperatures from 50 years ago being suspect rather than face up to world wide temperature records being shattered month after month and the challenges and consequences we will face dealing with this reality.

The article I quoted originally just gave the bare facts of the extreme climate conditions in the past 12 months. If you want to join the dots of what the consequences of these situations this article does that.

(Please take your heart tablets now folks. I don't want to you to go apoplectic on us...)

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B] Shattered records show climate change is an emergency today, scientists warn[/B]

Unprecedented temperature levels mean more heatwaves, flooding, wildfires and hurricanes as experts say global warming is here and affecting us now

Damian Carrington
@dpcarrington

Saturday 18 June 2016 01.23 AEST
Last modified on Saturday 18 June 2016 07.00 AEST


May was the 13th month in a row to break temperature records according to figures published this week that are the latest in 2016’s string of incredible climate records which scientists have described as a bombshell and an emergency.

The series of smashed global records, particularly the extraordinary heat in February and March, has provoked a stunned reaction from climate scientists, who are warning that climate change has reached unprecedented levels and is no longer only a threat for the future.

Alongside the soaring temperatures, other records have tumbled around the world, from vanishing Arctic sea ice to a searing drought in India and the vast bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef. The UK has experienced record flooding that has devastated communities across the country and scientists predict that the flash floods seen by parts of the country in recent days will increase in future.

“The impacts of human-caused climate change are no longer subtle – they are playing out, in real time, before us,” says Prof Michael Mann, at Penn State University in the US. “They serve as a constant reminder now of how critical it is that we engage in the actions necessary to avert ever-more dangerous and potentially irreversible warming of the planet.”

....The scorching temperatures mean 2016 is all but certain to be the hottest year ever recorded, beating the previous hottest year in 2015, which itself beat 2014. This run of three record years is also unprecedented and, without climate change, would be a one in a million chance. Scaife says: “Including this year so far, 16 of the 17 warmest years on record have been since 2000 – it’s a shocking statistic.”

Thermometer records go back to 1880, but ice cores, tree rings and corals show global warming driven by humanity’s burning of fossil fuels and forests has left the planet at its hottest for at least 5,000 years. “If we are not above this [temperature] already, we will be in 10 or 20 years’ time and then you have to go back 120,000 years to find higher temperatures than present,” says Rahmstorf.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...limate-change-emergency-today-scientists-warn

 

[explod]

Oh please stop exaggerating....the alarmist are becoming a minority and it is about time you Greenies faced reality that climate change has all to do with the Sun....It has been explained to you a dozen times and you still carry on with your brainwashed philosophy.

You have exaggerated about Greenland...you have exaggerated about the Great Barrier Reef.....Flannery exaggerated about no more rains filling our dams and you have been proven wrong time and time again.

Time for you to rethink or just give up...The majority of us are sick to death of all this crap and madness by the Greens.

"A number of independant measurements of solar activity indicate the sun has shown a slight cooling trend since 1960, over the same period that global temperatures have been warming. Over the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been moving in opposite directions. An analysis of solar trends concluded that the sun actually contributed to a slight cooling in recent decades. (Lockwood 2008)

Another study (Foster and Ralmstar 2011) also found that from 1979 to 2010, solar activity had a very light cooling effect... "

And very many other studies confirm those above. See" Skeptical Science, Getting skeptical about global warming skepticism"

 

[explod]

It is so tiresome TS, is it not, to have to keep reiterating these things?

And plod's amateur switcheroo strategy, is kust laughable.

Meanwhile, yes, microbeads etc.

The world is in deep **** and these clowns run interference.

Would like you to be a bit more specific wayneL. You tend to talk in odd and often indecipherable language.

When I was responsible for the publication of intergovernmental document's I learnt to phrase so that all could understand for compliance in sometimes life or death situations. No room for any mistakes.

So tiresome dealing with many in the elite who are uneducated to the world on the ground.

 

[wayneL]

Would like you to be a bit more specific wayneL. You tend to talk in odd and often indecipherable language.

When I was responsible for the publication of intergovernmental document's I learnt to phrase so that all could understand for compliance in sometimes life or death situations. No room for any mistakes.

So tiresome dealing with many in the elite who are uneducated to the world on the ground.

It's called English, Mr Plod. You know, our mother tongue of 50,000 words, the world language, the most beautiful language for literature. Sometimes it pays to play to the lowest common denominator, but in allegedly intelligent debate, this only serves to debase, rather than to edify.

I for one don't regard sesquipedalianism or punctiliousness as indecipherable.

But to simplify it down for you the assignation of hysteria to those in the moderate camp is ludicrous and mendacious, not to mention your ( and others) odious insistence on the use of the "denier" tag. It reveals a intellectually gruesome willingness to defame and vilify on the basis of a lie.

 

[trainspotter]

1) Absolutely nothing wrong with recognising just how many other serious, serious problems we face.

2) Plastic microbeads. A very big deal. Destruction of forests up there as well. But am I allowed to quote "The Guardian" on such problems or will our residents experts dismiss any such information out of hand because it's from The Guardian ?

3) Summarily dismissing the work of NASA, World Meteorological Organisation, Australia Bureau of Meteorology , ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies and others because their information is quoted in The Guardian is just plain nuts. Or denial. Take your pick.

4) The extreme climatic events in the past year have taken concerns about the impact of climate change from somewhere in the future to the near present.

5) But TS would prefer to bang on about sea level temperatures from 50 years ago being suspect rather than face up to world wide temperature records being shattered month after month and the challenges and consequences we will face dealing with this reality.

6) The article I quoted originally just gave the bare facts of the extreme climate conditions in the past 12 months. If you want to join the dots of what the consequences of these situations this article does that.

(Please take your heart tablets now folks. I don't want to you to go apoplectic on us...)

1) It's just that you are lumping it ALL into one heap and calling it Global Warming / Climate Change. EXAMPLE - The salmon dying in North America you "quoted" was caused by Global Warming was actually a disease of the gills caused by too much fertiliser in the water the fish were swimming in from farmers using fertiliser prior to heavy rains

2) I regularly quote NASA, IPCC, CSIRO, UCSUSA, CCRC amongst other notable leading BUREAUS of weather forecasters as evidence but your information seems to come from one NEWSPAPER that isn't exactly the pillar of truth now is it ??? The Guardian will print ANYTHING it thinks will sell newspapers ... that's it's job basilio

3) See above - I like my nut's sprinkled over ice cream and chocolate sauce thanks basilio

4) Extreme climactic events? Oh you mean WEATHER ?? An extreme climactic event is a volcano erupting or a meteor hitting Earth. NOAA said it is due to El Nino - The Atlantic had a below average hurricane season - So on 10th July 1913 what happened basilio? DYOR

5a) Isn't it bizarre behaviour you are exuding in regards to using the sea temperatures from 1930's ships as EVIDENCE the sea temperature is rising now you are discrediting the same information you held up for all to see as GOSPEL and PROOF that this is happening. FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP - oh look there goes basilio.

5b) Isn't it a bit bizarre when you type into Google "temperature records shattered" and it all is about how HOT it is getting and Global Warming is here to stay blah blah blah. Yet when you type in "Freezing temperature records shattered" ... yet again DYOR. No wait ... that must be Climate Change as some parts are getting hotter and some parts are getting colder. No wait .. that was from El Nino and the Polar Vortex

6) The article is designed to sell newspapers. End of discussion.

Scientists measuring oxygen isotopes from ice cores drilled in Greenland and Antarctica (among other methods) report that temperatures were significantly warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years. With the exception of the Little Ice Age, which lasted from approximately 1300-1850 and which almost ushered in a full-blown new ice age epoch, current temperatures remain cooler than almost all other time periods in human history.

Here is a question for you to ponder basilio - Temperatures have been significantly warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years so how did the Great Barrier Reef survive? Think about it.

Have a BEX and a lie down basilio

 

[basilio]

Well TS that was a pretty detailed rebuttal of my observations. But it was the last paragraph that took my breath away and makes me wonder at your understanding of global warming.

Your statement is

Scientists measuring oxygen isotopes from ice cores drilled in Greenland and Antarctica (among other methods) report that temperatures were significantly warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years. With the exception of the Little Ice Age, which lasted from approximately 1300-1850 and which almost ushered in a full-blown new ice age epoch, current temperatures remain cooler than almost all other time periods in human history.

This just isn't true in any way, shape or form. We have had this conversation at least twice before in this thread but somehow you you still seem to think that there is nothing special or concerning about the steep rise in global temperatures in the past 100 years and in particular the last 40 odd.

I had a look on the net for evidence/comments on the "last 10,000 years statement". It turns out it was crafted by Monckton who used one set of figures taken from the central Greenland icecap. The trouble was these figures were only valid until 1855 And the world clearly wasn't warming up at that stage.

The entire analysis of this piece of can be found at Sceptical Scientist

Most of the last 10,000 years were warmer

What the science says...

This argument uses temperatures from the top of the Greenland ice sheet. This data ends in 1855, long before modern global warming began. It also reflects regional Greenland warming, not global warming.
Climate Myth...

Most of the last 10,000 years were warmer

Even if the warming were as big as the IPCC imagines, it would not be as dangerous as Mr. Brown suggests. After all, recent research suggests that some 9,100 of the past 10,500 years were warmer than the present by up to 3 Celsius degrees: yet here we all are. (Christopher Monckton)

This argument is based on the work of Don Easterbrook who relies on temperatures at the top of the Greenland ice sheet as a proxy for global temperatures. That’s a fatal flaw, before we even begin to examine the use of the ice core data. A single regional record cannot stand in for the global record — local variability will be higher than the global, plus we have evidence that Antarctic temperatures swing in the opposite direction to Arctic changes. Richard Alley discussed that in some detail at Dot Earth last year, and it’s well worth reading his comments. Easterbrook, however, is content to ignore someone who has worked in this field, and relies entirely on Greenland data to make his case.

Easterbrook plots the temperature data from the GISP2 core, as archived here. Easterbrook defines “present” as the year 2000. However, the GISP2 “present” follows a common paleoclimate convention and is actually 1950. The first data point in the file is at 95 years BP. This would make 95 years BP 1855 — a full 155 years ago, long before any other global temperature record shows any modern warming. In order to make absolutely sure of my dates, I emailed Richard Alley, and he confirmed that the GISP2 “present” is 1950, and that the most recent temperature in the GISP2 series is therefore 1855.

This is Easterbrook’s main sleight of hand. He wants to present a regional proxy for temperature from 155 years ago as somehow indicative of present global temperatures. The depths of his misunderstanding are made clear in a response he gave to a request from the German EIKE forum to clarify why he was representing 1905 (wrongly, in two senses) as the present. Here’s what he had to say:

The contention that the ice core only reaches 1905 is a complete lie (not unusual for AGW people). The top of the core is accurately dated by annual dust layers at 1987. There has been no significant warming from 1987 to the present, so the top of the core is representative of the present day climate in Greenland.

Unfortunately for Don, the first data point in the temperature series he’s relying on is not from the “top of the core”, it’s from layers dated to 1855. The reason is straightforward enough — it takes decades for snow to consolidate into ice.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm

So what has happened from 1855 until now that is causing us concern ?? NOAA offers an analysis of how temperatures have changed over the past 10,000 years and where we currently are. Note that this is 20 months old now and we have seen temperatures jump by .5C in that time.

What’s the hottest Earth has been “lately”?
Author:
Michon Scott
September 17, 2014


This article is the second of two articles describing the hottest time periods in Earth’s history.

Throughout its 4.54-billion-year history, Earth has experienced multiple periods of temperatures hotter than today’s. But as far as the “recent” past, a study published in March 2013 concluded that global average temperature is now higher than it has been for most of the last 11,300 years.

The scientists assembled dozens of temperature records from multiple studies, including data from sediment cores drilled in lake bottoms and sea floors, and from ice cores. Assembling data from 73 records that overlap in time, the scientists pieced together global average temperatures since the end of the last ice age.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/what’s-hottest-earth-has-been-“lately”

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PS

Your last comment about the survival of the survival of the Great Barrier Reef should have been a clue to what has actually happened for the last 10,000 years.

It has not been warmer. The Reef is now in trouble because of the recent steep increases in global temperature and ocean temperatures