Resisting Climate Hysteria

[trainspotter]

Well there's a surprise. Noco quoting and agreeing with a science report that matter of factly recognises the reality of global warming.

By the way did The Australian also quote the full context of the Press Release or did you just snip the bits you wanted Noco ?

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...s-are-slowing-climate-change-research-reveals

This is a very divisive comment. We are all in agreeance that there is such a thing as global warming or climate change is it's new user friendly handle. The disagreeance is on the HYSTERIA that is generated by such statements as the ones below:-

“If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but 11 degrees colder by the year 2000,” claimed ecology professor Kenneth E.F. Watt at the University of California in 1970. “This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.” Of course, 2000 came and went, and the world did not get 11 degrees colder. No ice age arrived, either.

Gore made claims at a UN “climate” summit in Copenhagen. “Some of the models … suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years,” Gore claimed in 2009. “We will find out.”

March 29, 2001, CNN: “In ten year’s time, most of the low-lying atolls surrounding Tuvalu’s nine islands in the South Pacific Ocean will be submerged under water as global warming rises sea levels.”

The controversy began in 2000, when then director of Australia’s National Tidal Centre (NTC), Wolfgang Scherer, announced that after seven years of measurements around the Pacific “there is no acceleration in sea level rise””none that we can discern at all.” Tuvalu, in particular, got a pie in the face: the NTC announced that sea level at Funafuti had actually fallen by 3.42 inches since 1993.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/trave...eneath-the-sea-180940704/#uD5e7g7BJEvMy8Fe.99

And now for some level headedness to prevail ...

Few people would make an important decision based on next week’s weather forecast. When it comes to “climate,” though, the $360 billion-per-year climate establishment is telling humanity that civilization must be reorganized from top to bottom based on failed models purporting to make predictions decades and even centuries in advance. Flawed predictions aside, a great deal of evidence suggests accuracy or truth was never the intent ”” generating fear to seize more money and power was (and is). Many top alarmists have admitted as much, with some responding to the implosion of their theories with calls for censorship or, more extreme still, the imprisonment, re-education, and even execution of “climate deniers.”

The Earth’s climate has always changed, and very likely will continue to change, regardless of what humans do. What is now clear, though, is that the establishment has no idea what those changes will be ”” much less what drives the changes or how to control them.

Resist the HYSTERIA !!

 

[noco]

Well there's a surprise. Noco quoting and agreeing with a science report that matter of factly recognises the reality of global warming.

By the way did The Australian also quote the full context of the Press Release or did you just snip the bits you wanted Noco ?

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...s-are-slowing-climate-change-research-reveals

This is the rest of the article.

Professor Bigg said the ecological impacts of the blooms would be mostly positive. “More phytoplankton would exist within a few hundred kilometres of an iceberg, giving an increased food source for species higher up the (food chain).” Scientists have long recognised that icebergs support plankton blooms, but the new paper suggests their scale has not been recognised.

Previous estimates were based on smaller icebergs restrained by sea ice off the Antarctic Peninsula, and measurements near icebergs in the ocean open.

The new study found the plankton blooms were more intense around larger icebergs, with the impacts peaking between 50km and 200km away. The plume is mostly nourished by meltwaters from the base of the icebergs which “takes a little time to rise to the surface”, the paper says.

The study was based on 175 satellite images of the open ocean around 17 giant icebergs ”” those at least 18km long ”” between 2003 and 2013. It judged plankton concentrations by tracking changes in the ocean’s colour as each iceberg passed. Chlorophyll in plankton’s cells can make the ocean appear greener.

 

[basilio]

Thanks Noco. I was just wondering what the whole Australian story said.

The Guardian also carried the story. Again they quoted much/most of the article as The Australian. What was interesting was how they finished off the story putting in the context of the other research on why there are now huge icebergs coming off the Antarctic.

....The discovery was a surprise as previous studies of small icebergs, or using ship-based measurements, has suggested a much smaller fertilisation effect. The largest iceberg analysed in the new study was more than 50km long.

The impact of global warming on melting ice in Antarctica, much of which is far below 0C, has been widely studied. Biggs and his colleagues note that satellite gravity data show a 5% increase in ice discharge from the continent over the past two decades.

In 2014, two separate teams of scientists found that the collapse of the Western Antarctic ice sheet is already under way and is unstoppable. The loss of this entire ice sheet would cause up to 4m of sea-level rise in coming centuries. In 2015, researchers found the melting of floating ice shelves around Antarctica was faster than thought, potentially unlocking extra sea level rise from larger ice sheets jammed behind them.

Professor Andrew Shepherd, director of the Centre for Polar Observation and Modelling at the University of Leeds, said in 2015 that the rates of ice shelf loss were unsustainable and could cause a major collapse. This is already occurring at the massive Pine Island glacier, where ice loss has doubled in speed over the last 20 years as its blocking ice shelf has melted.

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...s-are-slowing-climate-change-research-reveals

It's interesting how The Australian chose not to contextualise the research paper in terms of the wider analysis of what is happening in the Antarctic. I wonder how it goes to quote and agree with one scientists work but then rubbish other scientists who explain why we have so many huge icebergs calving and where that will take us..

 

[SirRumpole]

At the risk of frightening young children ...

Global temperatures in 2015 by far hottest in modern times, science agencies say

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-21/2015-was-by-far-hottest-in-modern-times-noaa/7103164

 

[wayneL]

At the risk of frightening young children ...

Global temperatures in 2015 by far hottest in modern times, science agencies say

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-21/2015-was-by-far-hottest-in-modern-times-noaa/7103164

Thank God for pause busting revisions

 

[basilio]

Really Rumpy ? 2015 was the hottest year world wide since detailed records have been kept ?
And it totally trashed 2014 as well which was pretty well the hottest year on record.?

Should we start to take notice of what climate scientists have been saying for 30 years plus ?

NASA, NOAA Analyses Reveal Record-Shattering Global Warm Temperatures in 2015

Earth’s 2015 surface temperatures were the warmest since modern record keeping began in 1880, according to independent analyses by NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Globally-averaged temperatures in 2015 shattered the previous mark set in 2014 by 0.23 degrees Fahrenheit (0.13 Celsius). Only once before, in 1998, has the new record been greater than the old record by this much.

The 2015 temperatures continue a long-term warming trend, according to analyses by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York (GISTEMP). NOAA scientists concur with the finding that 2015 was the warmest year on record based on separate, independent analyses of the data. Because weather station locations and measurements change over time, there is some uncertainty in the individual values in the GISTEMP index. Taking this into account, NASA analysis estimates 2015 was the warmest year with 94 percent certainty.

“Climate change is the challenge of our generation, and NASA’s vital work on this important issue affects every person on Earth,” said NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. “Today’s announcement not only underscores how critical NASA’s Earth observation program is, it is a key data point that should make policy makers stand up and take notice - now is the time to act on climate.”

The planet’s average surface temperature has risen about 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit (1.0 degree Celsius) since the late-19th century, a change largely driven by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere.

Most of the warming occurred in the past 35 years, with 15 of the 16 warmest years on record occurring since 2001. Last year was the first time the global average temperatures were 1 degree Celsius or more above the 1880-1899 average.

Phenomena such as El Niño or La Niña, which warm or cool the tropical Pacific Ocean, can contribute to short-term variations in global average temperature. A warming El Niño was in effect for most of 2015.

“2015 was remarkable even in the context of the ongoing El Niño,” said GISS Director Gavin Schmidt. “Last year’s temperatures had an assist from El Niño, but it is the cumulative effect of the long-term trend that has resulted in the record warming that we are seeing.

http://www.nasa.gov/press-release/n...d-shattering-global-warm-temperatures-in-2015

 

[SirRumpole]

Really Rumpy ? 2015 was the hottest year world wide since detailed records have been kept ?

You don't believe it or are you just being sarcastic ?

 

[wayneL]

With the el Nino it was always going to be a hot year. The hottest? I want to see some sober analysis first.

 

[SirRumpole]

With the el Nino it was always going to be a hot year. The hottest? I want to see some sober analysis first.

By Andrew Bolt you mean ?

 

[wayneL]

By Andrew Bolt you mean ?

Dude, you know I'm not a Bolt watcher.

Lindzen has already had a few words to say.

 

[orr]

I want to see some sober analysis first.

You want to see sober analysis??? that's taking the pi$$...........

 

[explod]

With the el Nino it was always going to be a hot year. The hottest? I want to see some sober analysis first.

The "el Nino" is the pattern with the warmer waters, but is not the cause of the warmer waters and there by the higher temperatures.

No one wants to address why the earth is not continuing to cool as it is supposed to. And for you noco the sun is continuing to cool down and the odd firestorms have never had much impact over the last half billion years or so. And I learnt that at school.

 

[trainspotter]

What really happened at The 2015 United Nations Climate Change Conference:-

 

[wayneL]

You want to see sober analysis??? that's taking the pi$$...........

Not uncritically accepting US gu'mint press releases is taking the pi$$?

 

[Tisme]

At the risk of frightening young children ...

Global temperatures in 2015 by far hottest in modern times, science agencies say

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-21/2015-was-by-far-hottest-in-modern-times-noaa/7103164

If Clive Palmer hadn't been soaking up all the sunshine in Townsville, it too would have been a stinker for the locals.

 

[Logique]

Vale Prof Bob Carter, a true scientist. A Royal Commission would be a good idea.

Lysenkoism and Climate Science
Jan 21, 2016

The Quadrant, http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2016/01/hansenist-climate-alarmism/

...It is crystal clear that there is only one way to restore public confidence in climate policy and research in Australia, and that is for an independent and authoritative investigation to be carried out into the matter before an experienced judge assisted by scientifically expert counsellors...

...Parliament should defer consideration of the CPRS bill and institute a fully independent Royal Commission of enquiry into the evidence for and against a dangerous human influence on climate. We add ….. that the scientific community is now so polarised on the controversial issue of dangerous global warming that proper due diligence on the matter can only be achieved where competent scientific witnesses are cross-examined under oath and under strict rules of evidence”.

Bob Carter was a geologist and environmental scientist who studied ancient climate change. It was his curse to be a man of integrity in a field colonised by careerists and charlatans.

 

[wayneL]

Vale Prof Bob Carter, a true scientist. A Royal Commission would be a good idea.

Indeed.

And for an epitome of the poisonous alarmist mentality: http://scienceblogs.com/stoat/2016/01/19/science-advances-one-funeral-at-a-time/

Today brings us news of another such advancement in science, with the reported death of Robert Carter.

As far as I can recall, he was a minor figure in the Great Climate Wars; at least, I don’t seem to have been very interested in him. He gets those usual suspects Robert M. Carter, C. R. de Freitas, Indur M. Goklany, David Holland & Richard S. Lindzen wrote in 2007; a throwaway line ($1,667 per month) from Heartland in 2012. That seems to be it. It’s a bit of a sad end when even I couldn’t be bothered to attack him.

Nice guy

 

[basilio]

Very sad that someone, anyone indeed should speak ill of the dead even the venerable Professor Rob Carter.

However it is worth pointing out just how mendacious Professor Carter was in his various (paid) presentations attempting to undermine the reality of global warming. It's worth exploring to the end to see just how badly Bob could torture graphs to come up with the "right" result.

Bob Carter Does his Business
Posted on July 13, 2011 | 120 Comments

A certain blogger decided to inform us all that Bob Carter does the Business, referring to the this presentation to the Sydney Mining Club. Others have praised Carter’s presentation at the Heartland conference. There’s a lot of similarity between two presentations. And what, you wonder, does Bob Carter have to say about global warming?

For one thing, Carter goes to some length to claim that the surface temperature record (according to institutions like NASA GISS) is unreliable. In fact he implies that it’s downright useless. Yet he also states that the satellite record is reliable (and he uses the version from UAH). Which makes me wonder ”” if the satellite record is so reliable but the surface record is so useless, why do they agree so closely?

And on it goes. There is some fancy footwork in the later graphs. Worth a look.

....Of course four and half years later with successive record breaking world temperature records almost everyone has seen the light ?

(NFW...)

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/bob-carter-does-his-business/

 

[wayneL]

Torturing graphs? paid? LMAO I don't know how you can say that with a straight face.

Funny guy.

 

[basilio]

Fair enough Wayne. Clearly you didn't quite pick up exactly how Bob Carter tortured graphs in his presentations to dispute the realities of global warming.

Lets have a look.

In his heartland presentation he used three dots, and claimed that there’s been no global warming for 52 years, since 1958.

I can play with dots too. I can also go get the actual data:



I can even play with smoothing functions and show how fake Carter’s claim of “no global warming for 52 years” is:


The most surprising thing about Bob Carter’s presentations, both at the Sydney Mining Club and at the Heartland conference, is that his chicanery is so amateurish. He’s so transparent that you really have to bury your head in the sand (or perhaps somewhere else) not to see right through it.

There are a number of other examples in Tamino post which demonstrate just how dishonest Professor Carter was in his presentations. But if you want to believe something badly enough you can always squint.

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/bob-carter-does-his-business/