Resisting Climate Hysteria

basilio · 16 July 2015

There is an intriguing story in Esquire Magazine on how the consequences of climate change is affecting the climate scientists who essentially know the story backwards (and sideways and inside out).

Worth a read and think.

When the End of Human Civilization Is Your Day Job

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Among many climate scientists, gloom has set in. Things are worse than we think, but they can't really talk about it

The incident was small, but Jason Box doesn't want to talk about it. He's been skittish about the media since it happened. This was last summer, as he was reading the cheery blog posts transmitted by the chief scientist on the Swedish icebreaker Oden, which was exploring the Arctic for an international expedition led by Stockholm University. "Our first observations of elevated methane levels, about ten times higher than in background seawater, were documented . . . we discovered over 100 new methane seep sites.... The weather Gods are still on our side as we steam through a now ice-free Laptev Sea...."

As a leading climatologist who spent many years studying the Arctic at the Byrd Polar and Climate Research Center at Ohio State, Box knew that this breezy scientific detachment described one of the nightmare long-shot climate scenarios: a feedback loop where warming seas release methane that causes warming that releases more methane that causes more warming, on and on until the planet is incompatible with human life. And he knew there were similar methane releases occurring in the area. On impulse, he sent out a tweet.

"If even a small fraction of Arctic sea floor carbon is released to the atmosphere, we're f'd."

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a36228/ballad-of-the-sad-climatologists-0815/

basilio · 16 July 2015

A little more from the Esquire magazine story.

Scientists are problem solvers by nature, trained to cherish detachment as a moral ideal. Jeffrey Kiehl was a senior scientist with the National Center for Atmospheric Research when he became so concerned about the way the brain resists climate science, he took a break and got a psychology degree.

Ten years of research later, he's concluded that consumption and growth have become so central to our sense of personal identity and the fear of economic loss creates such numbing anxiety, we literally cannot imagine making the necessary changes. Worse, accepting the facts threatens us with a loss of faith in the fundamental order of the universe. Climate scientists are different only because they have a professional excuse for detachment, and usually it's not until they get older that they admit how much it's affecting them””which is also when they tend to get more outspoken, Kiehl says. "You reach a point where you feel””and that's the word, not think, feel””'I have to do something.' "

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a36228/ballad-of-the-sad-climatologists-0815/

Logique · 17 July 2015

Damn you global warming!

17 July 2015, Hume Highway at Berrima, NSW . Traffic brought to a halt [by snowfall].

http://www.theage.com.au/act-news/h...rought-to-a-halt-by-snow-20150716-giea98.html

Shane McCue @McCueShane, Hume highway at Berrima @GrillTeam

http://www.sca.nsw.gov.au/water/dam-levels
Warragamba Dam (Sydney catchment) latest July 2015: 92.8% capacity

luutzu · 17 July 2015

Logique said:
Damn you global warming!

View attachment 63474

http://www.sca.nsw.gov.au/water/dam-levels
Warragamba Dam (Sydney catchment) latest July 2015: 92.8% capacity

I thought it's "global".

75% of QLD and a fair bit of NSW has been in a drought past 5 years now?

There's a recent typhoon in China you could point to too.

trainspotter · 17 July 2015

luutzu said:
I thought it's "global".

75% of QLD and a fair bit of NSW has been in a drought past 5 years now?

There's a recent typhoon in China you could point to too.

Wooohooo 5 years

Bitterly cold in America http://www.weather.com/storms/winter/news/america-coldest-outbreaks

Winter 2013-2014
- December 2013 - February 2014 was among the top 10 coldest such periods on record in seven Midwest states.

- An early January 2014 outbreak brought the coldest temperatures of the 21st century, to date, for some cities.

- The winter was among the top five snowiest on record in at least 10 major cities.

Take note of the 1899 freeze as well

More in America ...

Connecticut is experiencing its coldest February in recorded history. So is Michigan. So is Toronto. Cleveland and Chicago are experiencing their second coldest February in recorded history. Frigid and record cold temperatures are being set from Key West to International Falls. At the same time, blizzard after blizzard is burying much of the nation with record winter snow totals, with winter snowfall records beings set from Boston to Denver.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/

Yep it is hotter in some areas of the globe and it is colder as well

luutzu · 17 July 2015

trainspotter said:
Wooohooo 5 years

Bitterly cold in America http://www.weather.com/storms/winter/news/america-coldest-outbreaks

Take note of the 1899 freeze as well

More in America ...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/25/cold-and-snow-destroy-global-warming-claims/

Yep it is hotter in some areas of the globe and it is colder as well

You do realise that it's summer in North America right now right?

Yea, their last winter saw big snow storms and arctic votex and other normal weather pattern. So what warming right? Also heard that global warming will likely shift the gulf stream or something and will turn Europe into another ice age. So it'll be cool alright.

Just saw headline that Australian farmers are starting to call on Abbott about taking Climate Change more seriously. Maybe the abnormal weather pattern and drought lately can't just be explained by seasonal changes.
Prrfff... people of the land, what do they know about the land and the weather - serves them right for farming where the rain don't pour.

NASA released a report couple weeks ago showing how the world's aquifers - underground water - are being exhausted at an alarming rate. All due to lack of snow and rain in most areas and people have to dig deeper and use more underground water instead of from rivers and established dams and reserves.

trainspotter · 17 July 2015

luutzu said:
You do realise that it's summer in North America right now right?

Yea, their last winter saw big snow storms and arctic votex and other normal weather pattern. So what warming right? Also heard that global warming will likely shift the gulf stream or something and will turn Europe into another ice age. So it'll be cool alright.

Just saw headline that Australian farmers are starting to call on Abbott about taking Climate Change more seriously. Maybe the abnormal weather pattern and drought lately can't just be explained by seasonal changes.
Prrfff... people of the land, what do they know about the land and the weather - serves them right for farming where the rain don't pour.

NASA released a report couple weeks ago showing how the world's aquifers - underground water - are being exhausted at an alarming rate. All due to lack of snow and rain in most areas and people have to dig deeper and use more underground water instead of from rivers and established dams and reserves.

More like they are pumping MORE water out then EVER before

I have posted about the MURRAY RIVER running completely dry in 1914 ....

The Facts:
The Murray river no longer runs dry.
Rainfall is not declining.
Salt levels are not rising.
The Lower Lakes have a marine origin and estuarine history.
The Murray’s mouth closed many times before European settlement.
The barrages have reduced the natural tidal prism by 90 percent which has reduced flushing of the system.
During the recent drought acid sulfate soils formed because the barrages acted as dykes preventing inflows from the Southern Ocean.
Current management of the Lower Lakes is not sustainable

http://www.mythandthemurray.org/myths-about-the-murray/

But hey what would the scientists know right?

Smurf1976 · 17 July 2015

trainspotter said:
The Murray river no longer runs dry.

The combined effects of the Snowy, Hume and Dartmouth hydro schemes with their associated dams and diversions rather than anything that has or hasn't changed with the climate.

Due to the presence of those dams and diversions, water flow into the Murray during a dry period is now higher than the "natural" (pre-dam) level whilst in a flood it will normally be lower than the natural level.

luutzu · 17 July 2015

trainspotter said:
More like they are pumping MORE water out then EVER before

I have posted about the MURRAY RIVER running completely dry in 1914 ....

The Facts:
The Murray river no longer runs dry.
Rainfall is not declining.
Salt levels are not rising.
The Lower Lakes have a marine origin and estuarine history.
The Murray’s mouth closed many times before European settlement.
The barrages have reduced the natural tidal prism by 90 percent which has reduced flushing of the system.
During the recent drought acid sulfate soils formed because the barrages acted as dykes preventing inflows from the Southern Ocean.
Current management of the Lower Lakes is not sustainable

http://www.mythandthemurray.org/myths-about-the-murray/

But hey what would the scientists know right?

From the map that NASA report showed, Australia's aquifer looks very healthy. So Australia will only need to deal with terrorists and drought to most of its farmland - there'll be enough drinking water no sweat.

But we're talking about global climate change and it's not working out so well for, from memory, the Middle East, India and China. Some old doco I saw said the US's plains will run dry by 2050 or so.

At least the world might go to war over water instead of oil ey?

SirRumpole · 22 August 2015

Scientists answer some of the climate change myths

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-...change-sceptics-versus-the-scientists/6711084

Ijustnewit · 22 August 2015

SirRumpole said:
Scientists answer some of the climate change myths

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-...change-sceptics-versus-the-scientists/6711084

And some other climate change myths or facts.

1. The story is on the ABC which pushes a Climate Change agenda.
2. The Weather Scientists can't get the forecast correct for a 24hr period and they want us to believe they can do it for 10 / 20 / 50 and 100 years ahead. :

SirRumpole · 22 August 2015

Ijustnewit said:
And some other climate change myths or facts.

1. The story is on the ABC which pushes a Climate Change agenda.

Ho ho, kill the messenger

2. The Weather Scientists can't get the forecast correct for a 24hr period and they want us to believe they can do it for 10 / 20 / 50 and 100 years ahead. :

You do know the difference between forecasting over a short period and over a long period based on long term data ?

Would you prefer to buy shares in a company based on yesterdays price or it's long term history ?

Wysiwyg · 22 August 2015

Images of steam from stacks, foggy mornings in Indian city denoting pollution, storm damage and extreme weather events is propaganda material. It is the best the Warmists can do to present their case by visual evidence.

explod · 22 August 2015

Wysiwyg said:
Images of steam from stacks, foggy mornings in Indian city denoting pollution, storm damage and extreme weather events is propaganda material. It is the best the Warmists can do to present their case by visual evidence.

Some forget or do not wish to acknowledge the rising toll from heatwaves above 47 celsius, the planet used to be a fireball and should be cooling.

Or the complete extntion of a race of possums in one day at Mount Martha, Victoria in 2007 when it hit 49 deg. Those possums evolved there over millions of years, to be gone in a day.

Forget the scientists, they need to keep thier Government subsidised jobs. Personal observations tell me "we have a problem Ralf".

We need 100% renewables now and stuff the cost. This is about survival.

wayneL · 22 August 2015

SirRumpole said:
Scientists answer some of the climate change myths

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-...change-sceptics-versus-the-scientists/6711084

Opinion piece.... worthless as a discussion on science.

Wysiwyg · 22 August 2015

explod said:
We need 100% renewables now and stuff the cost. This is about survival.

Rio De Janeiro (Xinhua): The deforestation in the Amazon rainforest region has led to the extinction of 26 animal and plant species, a UN report said.

Another 644 species of animals and plants, including the red-faced spider monkey, the spectacled bear and the otter, were in danger of extinction, it said.

I think the desire to consume everything is a big one to crack. The American, Chinese and Indian swarms are not going to reduce in numbers and that is more to feed, clothe and shelter. Evolution of the human brain is interesting in that it turns nature into stuff for humans to use. That change from natural thing to man made stuff is counter survival, it is self destructive. Making space for more and more humans is a wheel in spin.

Logique · 23 August 2015

wayneL said:
Opinion piece.... worthless as a discussion on science.

Clever propaganda from vested interest. Doesn't look like any scientific paper I've ever seen. Where's the balance, where's the review of opposing viewpoints, and the reference list.

Show up their distorted propositions, they just come back with this sort of stuff.

It shows what the real scientists are up against.

SirRumpole · 23 August 2015

Logique said:
Clever propaganda from vested interest. Doesn't look like any scientific paper I've ever seen. Where's the balance, where's the review of opposing viewpoints, and the reference list.

Show up their distorted propositions, they just come back with this sort of stuff.

It shows what the real scientists are up against.

Where is your reference list ?

noco · 23 August 2015

wayneL said:
Opinion piece.... worthless as a discussion on science.

The Secretary General 0f the united Nations Ban-Ki-Moon has been pushing this crap for years in an endeavor to form a World Government.

Ban-Ki-Moon is an out and out Greenie.

trainspotter · 23 August 2015

Perth ... 1905 no less

The coldest day was June 20, 1905, when the maximum temperature was 49.4deg.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/48984026

But but but in America it's HOT

The official highest recorded temperature is now 56.7 C (134 F), which was measured on 10 July 1913 at Greenland Ranch, Death Valley, California, USA.

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/highest-recorded-temperature/

Yep must be global warming

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