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Resisting Climate Hysteria


That's so typical of your pusillanimity, basilio, throwing stones whilst hiding behind the credentials of others!

Wouldn't it be easier to come out into the open and learn some actual science so that we can resolve this matter once and for all?

Alternatively, how hard would it be for you to admit to the fact that your allegations were unfounded?

P.S. Unlike certain(not all) posters to this thread, my comprehension of science is sufficient to substantiate all of the assertions that I've made on this and other threads!
(Also, the scope of my scientific understanding is not limited to google searches or the contents of wikipedia!)
 
"Objectivity" wayneL @_@$&xo,

Starooth, your personal feelings are like blood flowing all the wayvthrough this thread.

The oil lobby is alive and well and withvthe Murdock press in goverent the task of raising the truth just tougher. But as i have repeated you are going to lose this one ole Pal.

Watch this space.
 
Plod, your predictive prowess is running at 0% on this forum, showing yet again the veracity of wayneL's law.

There is never a better contrarian signal than one of your predictions.
 
Plod, your predictive prowess is running at 0% on this forum, showing yet again the veracity of wayneL's law.

There is never a better contrarian signal than one of your predictions.

I gave up predicting years ago. Remember the trend is your friend till the bend.

Global warming induced by the burning of fossill fuels is on the up trend. You can see and feel it so you can even forget the guvnut induced scientists.
 
They need to understand, as WayneL does, that no true scientist would ever ever say the science is decided and 97% of scientists agree..
Logique

Is there space for a risk management approach here?

Lets accept that there are very few things that are certain in life. How much of a risk should we take that GW is very real and that if it continues (as most Climate scientists believe it will) we face a very sticky future ?

How much of risk would accept that your next plane flight will crash because of known faults with the engines ?

What is the acceptable cancer risk for smoking ?

There is a well developed discussion on this approach that simply covers the same logic that is used by all businesses and all governments when they have to make decisions on imperfect knowledge. Might be worth a read.


http://www.theguardian.com/environm...nt/2014/feb/12/discussing-global-warming-hard
 
... Global warming induced by the burning of fossill fuels ...

Some of the warming is induced by the burning of fossil fuels.
Most of it is produced by the Sun.

Leastways, that's the way I understand it.
 
Yeahbut, carbon tax is not the way.

Everyone would like to see renewables become more viable on a number of levels, not the least of which is energy security. Skeptics just want a better world than the alarmists are proposing. The real science supports our view, not the catastrophist's view.
 
I gave up predicting years ago.

No you didn't.

You predicted Liebor 55% Liberal 45% two party preferred only six months ago, and we know how that turned out.

Also by indulging in alarmist quackery, you are making a prediction, just a few posts ago you implicitly predicted the Apocolypse, maintaining your 0% accuracy.
 


Rubbish, i was not even on the trade.

Would have to admit to a bad case of ramping though.

However you continue to use attacks to distort the reality of Co2 induced climate change.
 
Yeahbut, carbon tax is not the way.

Everyone would like to see renewables become more viable on a number of levels, not the least of which is energy security.
Wayne L

Hmm... I somehow remember thousands of posts ago suggesting that the energy security and peak energy arguments were critical enough in themselves to say we should change direction towards renewables. The realization that this would take at least a generation means the sooner one starts the better.

How to do it ? In our current economic framework putting tax on carbon to price its externalities is the cleanest most transparent way to encourage the shift in energy use. One of the bodies pushing and explaining that view is The American Conservative.


http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-to-tax-carbon/
 
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But Cynic. When you you put up posts that try to say we need to produce more CO2 to keep the extra humans and animals happy you are slaughtering a thousand scientific facts without a beat.


I've yet to see any of the "thousand scientific facts" that you claim I am "slaughtering" with my CO2 requirements assertion!
(That's right! I was forgetting! Some believe science is confined to google searching opinion supportive articles!)


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Cynic why do you feel the need to SPELL OUT why I won't engage with you ?
 
... How to do it ? ...

Tax on carbon means householders putting money into Guvmint coffers.
Most likely place it goes from there, is into a pay increase for politicians!

Transparent way to encourage the shift in energy use?!

Pollies couldn't even close a coal-fired power station as promised!!
 
Basilio, in the the Australian context, the only shift a carbon tax (inter alia) is/will be responsible for is a transfer of our industrial capacity to China and other jurisdictions in general, rendering us incapable of participating in ground floor shifts in energy production.

I agree government may have a role in facilitating this, but a carbon tax has the rverse effect ad far as we are concerned... and also increased emissions on the global scale.
 

Why not read the paper I referred to and see what types of caveats they see as important in establishing a price mechanism to move to renewable energy ?
 

And that is the reason for a global approach to the issue. Having an international approach to pricing energy to ensure all countries are moving in the same direction

At this stage in the game I also believe China is reviewing it's interest in coal fired power stations. The extent of the smog across their cities is now at critical levels. They just can't continue to put more smoke into the atmosphere.

And finally? You raised the point. I concur. Australia needs to move to a renewable energy system for long term energy security in itself. A system that puts a higher price on carbon based energy will encourage that movement. Otherwise we will have to wait until energy prices become so high - that......

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...-reaches-11-times-who-recommended-levels.html
 
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But Cynic. When you you put up posts that try to say we need to produce more CO2 to keep the extra humans and animals happy you are slaughtering a thousand scientific facts without a beat.


I've yet to see any of the "thousand scientific facts" that you claim I am "slaughtering" with my CO2 requirements assertion!
(That's right! I was forgetting! Some believe science is confined to google searching opinion supportive articles!)


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Around we go again!

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Cynic why do you feel the need to SPELL OUT why I won't engage with you ?

Why do you need to disown responsibility for your own allegations?

Around and around this goes!
Where it stops - nobody knows!

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Instead of wasting bandwidth in a pissing contest why not post some relevance to the topic of the thread?


http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...mate-predictions/story-e6frfku9-1226844241944
 
Great Trainspotter. You have just unveiled the elephant in the room.

I'll just get out of your way now to let the Naysayers explain very clearly just how corrupt these figures are and how the BOM and CSIRO are a bunch of "catastrophic, warmist alarmists" who should be re educated quick smart. (don't let me down folks...)
 
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