Resisting Climate Hysteria

[basilio]

Climate change is pretty "ho-hum" except for a few diehards who are still waxing hysterical.




On a lighter note:


www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cu...-of-civilisation/story-fn72xczz-1226826512332

That's fantastic Calliope. I really have to check out the research on cat breeding and fur balls. Do you think Monckton or Wayne could provide some critical material on the topic?

I can understand your frustration. After all we only have a few years left to live so why spoil it worrying about stuff that will only affect our spoilt kids and even more spoilt grandkids. Lets kick up our heels and party like it's 1999.

Cheers

 

[cynic]

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But Cynic. When you you put up posts that try to say we need to produce more CO2 to keep the extra humans and animals happy you are slaughtering a thousand scientific facts without a beat.

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The logical soundness of my assertions regarding an increased CO2 presence being essential for supporting the respiratory needs of our increasing populace are well supported by long standing scientific understandings which are being taught as scientific facts at high school level.

basilio, it would be most foolish for you or your peers to presume that you can lecture me on scientific facts!

I've yet to see any of the "thousand scientific facts" that you claim I am "slaughtering" with my CO2 requirements assertion!
(That's right! I was forgetting! Some believe science is confined to google searching opinion supportive articles!)

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Cynic your views on why we need to artificially produce more CO2 are too way out there for me to want to engage you in discussion.

When you went on to say that the Max Planck institute didn't know what it was talking about with regard to the Theory Of Relativity I just gave up.

basilio, since when did mammalian respiration become an artificial process?

You've accused me of "slaughtering a thousand scientific facts" with my CO2 observation whilst failing to provide so much as a single one of these purported "facts".

The fact that you do not understand the mathematics behind Einstein's theorem is hardly a valid (or logical) justification for your refusal to substantiate your hasty and misinformed accusations!

If you're willing to make accusations on a public forum, then it is reasonable to expect to be called upon for justification!

Around we go again!

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[Duckman#72]

On a positive note, IF......and I say, IF, there is climate change occurring, and it means we are getting less rainfall, it means better conditions to watch the upcoming AFL season

The days of sleet, drizzle and freezing winds are over!!!!

Duckman

 

[wayneL]

What a load of rubbish... Don't feel personally attacked there Wayne. I was just noting that using anything Monckton produced as part of a credible argument on CC is a joke.

And why is it a joke? Because as I pointed out and evidenced he just lies, cheery picks and BS.
His "specific objective point "is just another example of his cherry picking dribble. Did you notice for example his efforts to show that almost no climate scientists actually explicitly support GW? Does anyone actually think that is true ? You wouldn't want to ask them directly of course would you because you might get the truth.

You are still playing ad hominem fallacies basilio and not addressing the point, to wit, IPCC equivocation and inappropriate use of confidence intervals.

Regarding Monckton lying, cherry picking etc... Are you having a lend? Your alarmist lot are masters of the art, but fortunately real empirical data tells on them. I don't care about Moncktons otherwise credibility, he just highlights a point made by a multitude of others.

As for the line on "pathological liars and borderline criminals" in CC science? Typical cheap shot. But of course you don't want to give names or quote examples. Far easier and safer to slag the lot isn't it ?

It is not cheap when it is factual. As a matter of respect for Joe and ASF as publisher, I won't open the potential for vexatious litigation, however we have Climategate and the Gleick affair as matters of public record. We also have the takedown of the recent fraudulent representation of consensus.

Just for interest there is a court case coming up soon where the people like you who have defamed climate scientists are being sued for libel/slander. They will be brought before the law to prove their allegations. I am so looking forward to this case.

For myself I don't use the term liar and deceiver lightly. I reserve it for particular specimens like Monckton whose work has been forensically dissected. I would be absolutely confident that court of law reviewing what he says and the basis he uses for those statement would support assertions of lies and deception.

Ah yes the serial whiner M Mann. Speaking of liars, what do you call someone who claims to be a Nobel Laureate.... and isn't. What does that say about someone?

basilio, vexatious lawsuits such as the one you mention is not about defamation, it is creating expenditure for the defendant, win or lose, believe me on that one.

For instance, Monckton could quite easily sue you (and ASF as publisher for that matter) for libel for your remarks here. I wouldn't matter if he won or not, but you (and possibly ASF) would be crippled financially by the end of it.



If you care to, you could address the point at hand, rather than playing this obnoxious political card.

 

[trainspotter]

Mount Kelud has erupted spewing volcanic ash and Co2 into the atmosphere. BAD. Virgin Airlines have cancelled all their flights to Bali til further notice. (therefore no Co2 from planes) GOOD. Does one cancel out the other?

 

[burglar]

Mount Kelud has erupted spewing volcanic ash and Co2 into the atmosphere. BAD. Virgin Airlines have cancelled all their flights to Bali til further notice. (therefore no Co2 from planes) GOOD. Does one cancel out the other?

99 mm of rain dumped on Adelaide this morning.

Eight or more police cars on four intersections directing traffic.
I have never seen so many policemen doing something useful! :

Relevance to topic:
How much sea level rise was cancelled out by this downpour?
And how much yesterday, when I was not measuring?

 

[Smurf1976]

So far as the public perception and politics of climate change is concerned, we've certainly had quite a few fairly obvious weather extremes recently. Ignoring the science, it will certainly get a few people thinking about the subject.

Extreme cold in the USA causing a lot of issues, problems distributing fossil fuels being one of them (there's an LPG shortage in some parts of the US - not due to a lack of it as such, but they can't move it to consumers quickly enough to cope with demand due to heating).

Very wet in the UK and causing all sorts of issues.

Very hot in SE Australia followed by the heaviest rainfall in 40 years today in Adelaide which has caused some minor flooding problems. And of course the fires in Vic, including one that has spread into an open cut coal mine (coal mine fires being difficult to put out once they get going).

130 km/h winds in Hobart last weekend caused some minor damage, a few roofs came off, power lines and trees down, outright chaos at the Elwick racecourse with marquees blowing around etc.

I'm not saying that any of this is or isn't related to climate change, but it will get a few people thinking about the subject I'd expect.

 

[burglar]

... power lines and trees down ...

Not entirely off topic:

We have what is locally known as a "Significant Tree"!

Being of a certain stature, it is listed, and thereby made "Sacred".

In the next street is such a "Significant tree", which dropped a branch on Power Lines.
It caused two fires, a road blockage and a substantial outage.

The outage was accompanied by a huge surge.

Being an older suburb (workers' housing in the late forties, early fifties),
some were not equipped with surge arresters (self included)

(My neighbour lost $12k in damages though he claims to have had a surge arrester.)

I was at a loss, no TV!! :
So I went to the library and borrowed Louise Bedford's "Candlestick Charting"


The electrician has been.
A claim form is in the post from the power company.

All good now.

Except for one thing.
There is still branches overhanging the power lines.
The power company is powerless to trim the tree.

 

[Calliope]

After all we only have a few years left to live so why spoil it worrying about stuff that will only affect our spoilt kids and even more spoilt grandkids. Lets kick up our heels and party like it's 1999.

Cheers

Now you're talking my language. Even Old Father Time can put aside his scythe for a little dalliance.

 

[basilio]

Good to see that true skeptics (you know who you are!!) are keeping science and the media honest and making sure we don't waste hard earned tax payers dollars on unnecessary public works.

Just saw this report on a debate between scientist Bill Nye and GOP Rep Gohmert.

Bill Nye Science Guy to Debate GOP Rep Gohmert on Gravity
By Juan Cole | Feb. 19, 2014 |
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(By Juan Cole)


David Gregory’s Meet the Press today hosted a debate between Bill Nye the Science Guy and Texas Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) on whether gravity is just a theory.

“Sure,” Gohmert said, “things fall down all the time. But that doesn’t mean gravity is a law. Look at the Leaning Tower of Pisa. It’s still there after hundreds of years. Things don’t always fall down.”

Nye pointed out that Isaac Newton discovered the law of gravity in the 17th century and it is settled science.

Gohmert challenged Nye’s certainty. “The cultists who tout science always speak as though we know for sure that scientific discoveries are true. Gravity has only been theorized for a couple hundred years. It’s too early to tell. How much money do they want us to waste on suspension bridges and other expensive technology aimed at keeping things from falling down, on the basis of a theory?”

Nye tore off his bow-tie and began chewing on it in frustration.

“Wasn’t it an apple that hit Newton on the head?” Gohmert asked. “Well, I’ve read the Bible and I know that an apple was used to tempt Eve. Maybe the Serpent was just tempting Newton with a secular humanist theory.”

Nye said, “What?”

“Besides,” Gohmert went on, “we all saw that movie ‘Gravity.’ Obviously there’s no gravity in outer space. So if the theory doesn’t work everywhere, there must be something wrong with it.”

“The law of gravity says,” Nye replied, “that ‘any two bodies in the universe attract each other with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.’ Gravity works in deep outer space, it is just that bodies there are distant from the earth. And in ‘Gravity’ they were just falling around the earth, in the grip of its gravity.”

Moderator David Gregory smirked. “That’s a lot of verbiage there, Bill. If you can’t explain something clearly, maybe it’s because there’s something wrong with the theory.”

Gohmert angrily interrupted Gregory. “Besides, we all know that Muslims believe in gravity. That should make you suspicious of it, right there.”

http://www.juancole.com/2014/02/science-gohmert-gravity.html

 

[trainspotter]

Got my electrickery bill the other day and it was over $700 for the first time ... $67 of it was CARBON TAX !!!

So I am doing my bit to stop using this stuff they call electricity that pollutes the world with it's nasty carbon dioxide that is raising sea levels and wiping out entire species and making us hotter. Might have to go and turn the air conditioning on again to cool down as it is 39 degrees here today

 

[burglar]

Got my electrickery bill the other day and it was over $700 for the first time ... $67 of it was CARBON TAX !!! ... nasty carbon dioxide ...

Just a pity it won't go towards reducing emissions!

Or mitigating problematic catastrophic disaster!

 

[cynic]

Good to see that true skeptics (you know who you are!!) are keeping science and the media honest and making sure we don't waste hard earned tax payers dollars on unnecessary public works.

Just saw this report on a debate between scientist Bill Nye and GOP Rep Gohmert.



http://www.juancole.com/2014/02/science-gohmert-gravity.html

Basilio, thanks for providing yet another fine example highlighting the folly of entertaining claims made by those unwilling or unable to differentiate between fiction, popular fallacies, contemporary science and recorded history. (Note the factually incorrect assertions by Gohmert in relation to biblical texts and contemporary physics).

P.S. I still await your response to my request for substantion of your "slaughtering a thousand scientific facts" allegation. By my last tally zero have been presented! It may inerest you to know that there is a big difference between zero and one thousand.
If there were any real substance to your outlandish allegation, then surely you should be able to improve on that number!

 

[wayneL]

Good to see that true skeptics (you know who you are!!) are keeping science and the media honest and making sure we don't waste hard earned tax payers dollars on unnecessary public works.

Just saw this report on a debate between scientist Bill Nye and GOP Rep Gohmert.



http://www.juancole.com/2014/02/science-gohmert-gravity.html

????

What has this got to do with the debate on climate change?

 

[explod]

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What has this got to do with the debate on climate change?

Basilio is referring to the power of distortion and confusion.

It has everything to do with the debate on climate change. The tactics are to confuse the evidence and the debate to AN HYSTERICAL level, Wayno ole pal

 

[basilio]

Basilio is referring to the power of distortion and confusion.

It has everything to do with the debate on climate change. The tactics are to confuse the evidence and the debate to AN HYSTERICAL level, Wayno ole pal

Yep... !! And for dear Cynic; that was a satirical piece intended to do exactly what Explod pointed out.

And as I said earlier I will not attempt to discuss science with a person who seriously believes he has a better grasp of the Theory of Relativity than the best scientists in the field.

 

[wayneL]

It appears basilio is hoist by his own petard then.

 

[basilio]

It appears basilio is hoist by his own petard then.

And Wayne, you clearly have NFI what you are talking about .

 

[wayneL]

wayneL's Law applies basilio, ergo you do not possess the objectivity to make that sort of qualitative assessment.

e.g. your evangelistic belief in Cook's discredited consensus paper.

Need I say more?

 

[Logique]

Graduate BA and MA holders seem to be running the alarmist campaign, e.g. that householder on the bank of the Hawkesbury River, the utterly ridiculous FlimFlammery.

They are specialists in propaganda, not science.

They need to understand, as WayneL does, that no true scientist would ever ever say the science is decided and 97% of scientists agree..

On their logic, let's have more zoologists and biometricians employed at Treasury.