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Pleeese ! You really are having us on arn't you ?
The runaway greenhouse effect has several meanings ranging from, at the low end, global warming sufficient to induce out-of-control amplifying feedbacks, such as ice sheet disintegration and melting of methane hydrates, to, at the high end, a Venus-like hothouse with crustal carbon baked into the atmosphere and a surface temperature of several hundred degrees, a climate state from which there is no escape. Between these extremes is the moist greenhouse, which occurs if the climate forcing is large enough to make H2O a major atmospheric constituent.[8] In principle, an extreme moist greenhouse might cause an instability with water vapour preventing radiation to space of all absorbed solar energy, resulting in very high surface temperature and evaporation of the ocean.[9] However, simulations indicate that no plausible human-made GHG forcing can cause an instability and runaway greenhouse effect.[10]
And now for the Arctic ice situation ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25383373
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Al Gore anyone? http://www.generationim.com/
(insert maniacal laugh here)
Congratulations you've spotted the turning point. Care to make some longer term predictions?
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You may want to take into account the observed evidence. Or more likely you probably don't.
My hope is that there will be a slowing in the sequential decade average decline. But it doesn't look that good at this point. Does it?
"This is why we're really quite surprised by what we've seen in 2013.
"We didn't expect the greater ice extent left at the end of the summer melt to be reflected in the volume.
"But it has been. And the reason is related to the amount of multi-year ice in the Arctic."
Dr Don Perovich is a sea-ice expert at Dartmouth College, US.
He said Cryosat's data tallied with observations made by other spacecraft. But after a sharply colder summer this year, the autumn volume number has gone up.
"In previous summers, some of the [multi-year ice] migrated over to the Alaska and Siberia areas where it melted. But this past summer, it stayed in place because of a change in wind patterns. And so there'll likely be more multi-year ice next year than there was this year," he told BBC News.
Area/extent is easier to measure, but scientists regard thickness/volume to be the best metric with which to judge the health of the ice pack, which is why Cryosat's unique data-set is so important.
US Poll: Do You Believe in Global Warming?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/do-you-believe-in-global-warming,34998/
US Poll: Do You Believe in Global Warming?
http://www.theonion.com/articles/do-you-believe-in-global-warming,34998/
China, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, is also the country that’s “doing it right” when it comes to addressing global warming, the United Nations’ chief climate official said.
China is also able to implement policies because its political system avoids some of the legislative hurdles seen in countries including the U.S., Figueres said.
Chris Turney and his 51 warmists still believes in GLOBAL WARMING even though are RED FACED about getting stuck in pack ice......They all arrived back in Hobart today....I'll bet the they are hoping the Earth will open up and swallow them before the media start talking to them.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hes_back/
One big winner, if global warming occurred, would be Greenland and the world's supply of rare earth minerals. It's there but we can't get to a lot of it as it is stuck under 2km of ice.
http://rareearthinvestingnews.com/7...d-exploration-potential-hudson-resources.html
The link below is how this epic event unfolded and Turney was the major factor in its disaster.....Had he followed the instructions of the Captain of the Russian ship, he would have saved the Australian tax payers some $1.8 to $2.4 million.
It is worthy to note Turney is the founder and Director of "CARBONSCAPE" which is method of capturing Carbon Dioxide from the atmosphere......Perhaps this is why he is determined to prove GLOBAL WARMING is man made.....He intends to make money out of his invention.
BTW.....Tim Flannery is also a director of Carbonscape......nuff said.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...mention_hes_a_professor_of_climate_change_ei/
http://www.rexresearch.com/carbonscape/carbonscape.htm
It is worthy to note Turney is the founder and Director of "CARBONSCAPE" which is method of capturing Carbon Dioxide from the atmosphere......Perhaps this is why he is determined to prove GLOBAL WARMING is man made.....He intends to make money out of his invention.
BTW.....Tim Flannery is also a director of Carbonscape......nuff said.
url]http://www.rexresearch.com/carbonscape/carbonscape.htm[/url]
Interesting isn't it ? Every scientist with any integrity acknowledges that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that the extra volume we put into the atmosphere is causing global warming.
Even climate skeptics acknowledge that CO2 is contributing to global warming. (Their argument is that sensitivity levels of Co2 are not as high as all the other climate scientists are suggesting.
So Chris Turney decides to take practical steps to develop technology that will pull CO2 out of the atmosphere.
And in response to that you Noco and your friends who deride him for his efforts.
Just xxxxxxxx shameful.
So this thread is no longer about climate science is it ?
(Never was of course. It was just an excuse to bash all research which suggested we are heading into disaster as a result of human produced CO2)
As for my "commercial interest" ? Yeah they are mine. In this thread they'll stay mine thank you. But on a general note I think it makes far more sense to invest in constructive industries that improve the quality of life and the environment rather than trash it.
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