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Resisting Climate Hysteria



Mr. Burns, I would say from the attached link the sceptics are on a roll of support and all this crap about AGW will die of natuaral death along with the GREENIES,



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...t-stop-and-think/story-fn558imw-1226553109233
 
to reduce the essenetial carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Not concerned at the spelling but would be pleased for you to elaborate on "essential carbon dioxide"

Would you say that co2 from Coal burning is essential?
 
You are wrong, in fact the increasing number of new posters concerned at GW arriving on this threat would indicate the contrary.
Where is your link buddy or is it just your say so?

Or perhaps wishful thinking!!!!!!!!!

Essential carbon dioxide!!!!!!!! Plant life can't survive without it.
 
Where is your link buddy or is it just your say so?

Or perhaps wishful thinking!!!!!!!!!

Essential carbon dioxide!!!!!!!! Plant life can't survive without it.

Would you say noco that motor cars and coal fired power stations are having no ill effects on the environment.
 
Would you say noco that motor cars and coal fired power stations are having no ill effects on the environment.

Correct me if I wrong, but don't cars emit carbon monoxide?

From what I have observed with coal fired power stations, the majority have carbon resistant devices and what you see is steam coming from the wide concrete chimneys.

If you are a GREENIE, I guess you will be turning a blind eye to all the fossil fuel being burnt in all the bush fires around the counrty. I would imagine that the current bush fires would be emitting enough to equal coal fired power station emmissions for the next 100 years.

I also learnt many years ago that the bush fires in Australia link up with cold air streaming south east via Indonesia to create the monsoonal system in the northern part of Australia. If I can find a link I will post it.
 
The attached link does provide the connection between the cold air from the Himalayas and the extreme heat in Australia. I will probe more for the bush fire connection

http://www.abc.net.au/storm/monsoon/what.htm
 
I would imagine that the current bush fires would be emitting enough to equal coal fired power station emmissions for the next 100 years.

Actually a similar claim to that was made by, I think, Senator Abetz last week. I have not heard it contradicted by anyone.

If true, wouldn't that suggest that we are far better off spending resources on preventing bush fires than on trying to combat the problem with what are obviously ineffective taxation policies? I'm not saying the claim is true, its just that I haven't heard it disputed.

I know President Reagan made a similar statement in relation to carbon monoxide emissions from some big Alaskan or Washington State volcano (sorry, but I can't remember the name), saying that it equated to something like 100 years of car emissions of carbon monoxide, but his claim turned out to be way off the mark when some scientists did the calculations.
 
Perhaps this link may help the Alarmists to understand CLIMATE CAHNGE a little better or will it?


http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/climate.htm

Wow - that was great project produced by the students and teachers from West Tisbury school. Impressive.

It just has no relevance to the effect additional greenhouses gases are having on the worlds climate. It doesn't try to discuss the issue. It is simply an excellent discussion directed to Upper primary/Lower secondary students on the types of climates that occur around the world.

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Noco you also offered the suggestion that the bushfires
would be emitting enough CO2 to equal coal fired power station emissions for the next 100 years
.

Not true. An ANU scientist took the trouble to calculate just how much CO2 was produced by the current bushfires versus CO2 produced by coal fired power stations.

Turns out out coal fired power stations produce 200 millions tonnes of CO2 a year while the bushfires to date have produced around 4million tonnes. (And much of this will be returned to the forests as trees regenerate quickly after fires.)

That piece of information /research also challenges your comment that coal fired power stations have some "carbon resistant devices" attached to them

They don't Noco. One of the measures the coal industry has offered to combat the release of CO2 has been attempting to create add on carbon capture. This hasn't been done to date and the added capital costs and loss of efficiency make it unlikely to be cost effective. It would be cheaper to go to wind or solar.

Car emissions

Yes cars emit Carbon monoxide. However the main emission by volume is Carbon Dioxide.



Very interesting link on how monsoons are caused. There are certainly many effects on our climate.

Cheers


http://theconversation.edu.au/fact-check-do-bushfires-emit-more-carbon-than-burning-coal-11543
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_emissions

Apologies. I couldn't format the table for easier reading. Check the reference for clarity.
 
..suggest that we are far better off spending resources on preventing bush fires than on trying to combat the problem with what are obviously ineffective taxation policies?..
Bingo.

They say yachting is like standing under a cold shower, tearing up $100 notes. Well just wait until you see the total bill for the bushfires (both dollar and carbon) - that's if the general public are told at all.

All those aircraft, and all the other emergency funding and compensation payouts, it does not come cheap.
 
Well Logique our country does put many efforts into reducing bushfires. Public education, quick response teams whatever.

Bushfires will always be a problem of course. It goes with the territory of hot summers, lightening strikes accidents and human activity.

What will make the problem far worse will be hotter summers, and more extreme heat waves which will be the inevitable result of global warming. The Black Saturday bushfires demonstrated that what might have been just manageable fires in a certain temperature setting become totally monstrous with a few extra degrees.
 

Could we work towards a mitigation solution for both at the same time?
 

make sure you genuflect after these statements
 
Mitigation to reduce the worst effects of climate change is apparently still possible.
 
I mentioned in an earlier post that there was National Climate Assessment report compiled and now published in draft form in the USA.

It outlines what scientist see as the effects of climate on America both currently and in the future. The story in The Guardian higlights some of the main findings



http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...ange-america-hotter-drier-disaster?intcmp=239

The article has a link to the Draft report. http://ncadac.globalchange.gov/

The report itself is very big - over 1000 pages. I thought the 2 appendices on the Science of Climate Change and Answers to Commonly asked Questions were useful

Appendix I: NCA Climate Science - Addressing Commonly Asked Questions from A to Z

Appendix II: The Science of Climate Change

You will have to access these documents through the original URL. Happy reading.
Cheers
 
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