Resisting Climate Hysteria

[burglar]

You once told me you didn't worry about things you couldn't do anything about. ...

I can take a cold shower!

I think you were worried there for a while about the hotapocolypse.

Did you mean: hot apocalypse


I was worried about my garden!
As it turned out, I lost this year's stone fruits.
And thus far, little else.

 

[noco]

You don't make statements about global warming based on one summer and the scientists in the US are the same as here, seeking funding by whipping up a scare.

Thr climate will/has changed and will continue to do so over time but the juries out on whether humans are responsible.

Mr. Burns, I would say from the attached link the sceptics are on a roll of support and all this crap about AGW will die of natuaral death along with the GREENIES,



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...t-stop-and-think/story-fn558imw-1226553109233

 

[explod]

to reduce the essenetial carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Not concerned at the spelling but would be pleased for you to elaborate on "essential carbon dioxide"

Would you say that co2 from Coal burning is essential?

 

[explod]

Mr. Burns, I would say from the attached link the sceptics are on a roll of support and all this crap about AGW will die of natuaral death along with the GREENIES,



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...t-stop-and-think/story-fn558imw-1226553109233

You are wrong, in fact the increasing number of new posters concerned at GW arriving on this threat would indicate the contrary.

 

[MrBurns]

Yes it's definitely coming up to funding time, the graphic shows what might happen if seas rise by some centimetres and if they rise by a meter, why didn't they include if the seas rise by a kilometer ? It could happen, we better pay more tax immediately to prevent this happening

Rising seas may put $300b of property at risk: scientists

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-14/how-will-rising-seas-impact-australia/4460688

 

[noco]

You are wrong, in fact the increasing number of new posters concerned at GW arriving on this threat would indicate the contrary.

Where is your link buddy or is it just your say so?

Or perhaps wishful thinking!!!!!!!!!

Essential carbon dioxide!!!!!!!! Plant life can't survive without it.

 

[explod]

Where is your link buddy or is it just your say so?

Or perhaps wishful thinking!!!!!!!!!

Essential carbon dioxide!!!!!!!! Plant life can't survive without it.

Would you say noco that motor cars and coal fired power stations are having no ill effects on the environment.

 

[noco]

Would you say noco that motor cars and coal fired power stations are having no ill effects on the environment.

Correct me if I wrong, but don't cars emit carbon monoxide?

From what I have observed with coal fired power stations, the majority have carbon resistant devices and what you see is steam coming from the wide concrete chimneys.

If you are a GREENIE, I guess you will be turning a blind eye to all the fossil fuel being burnt in all the bush fires around the counrty. I would imagine that the current bush fires would be emitting enough to equal coal fired power station emmissions for the next 100 years.

I also learnt many years ago that the bush fires in Australia link up with cold air streaming south east via Indonesia to create the monsoonal system in the northern part of Australia. If I can find a link I will post it.

 

[noco]

Correct me if I wrong, but don't cars emit carbon monoxide?

From what I have observed with coal fired power stations, the majority have carbon resistant devices and what you see is steam coming from the wide concrete chimneys. Please ignore the Green/Labor propaganda on that advertisment with Kate Blanchett standing in front of smoke billowing out of tall chimneys as that photo was purported to have been taken 50 years ago. Infact I understand that particular power station does not even exist anymore

If you are a GREENIE, I guess you will be turning a blind eye to all the fossil fuel being burnt in all the bush fires around the counrty. I would imagine that the current bush fires would be emitting enough to equal coal fired power station emmissions for the next 100 years.

I also learnt many years ago that the bush fires in Australia link up with cold air streaming south from the Himalays east via Indonesia to create the monsoonal system in the northern part of Australia. If I can find a link I will post it.

The attached link does provide the connection between the cold air from the Himalayas and the extreme heat in Australia. I will probe more for the bush fire connection

http://www.abc.net.au/storm/monsoon/what.htm

 

[noco]

Perhaps this link may help the Alarmists to understand CLIMATE CAHNGE a little better or will it?


http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/climate.htm

 

[bellenuit]

I would imagine that the current bush fires would be emitting enough to equal coal fired power station emmissions for the next 100 years.

Actually a similar claim to that was made by, I think, Senator Abetz last week. I have not heard it contradicted by anyone.

If true, wouldn't that suggest that we are far better off spending resources on preventing bush fires than on trying to combat the problem with what are obviously ineffective taxation policies? I'm not saying the claim is true, its just that I haven't heard it disputed.

I know President Reagan made a similar statement in relation to carbon monoxide emissions from some big Alaskan or Washington State volcano (sorry, but I can't remember the name), saying that it equated to something like 100 years of car emissions of carbon monoxide, but his claim turned out to be way off the mark when some scientists did the calculations.

 

[basilio]

Perhaps this link may help the Alarmists to understand CLIMATE CAHNGE a little better or will it?


http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/climate.htm

Wow - that was great project produced by the students and teachers from West Tisbury school. Impressive.

It just has no relevance to the effect additional greenhouses gases are having on the worlds climate. It doesn't try to discuss the issue. It is simply an excellent discussion directed to Upper primary/Lower secondary students on the types of climates that occur around the world.

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Noco you also offered the suggestion that the bushfires

would be emitting enough CO2 to equal coal fired power station emissions for the next 100 years

.

Not true. An ANU scientist took the trouble to calculate just how much CO2 was produced by the current bushfires versus CO2 produced by coal fired power stations.

Turns out out coal fired power stations produce 200 millions tonnes of CO2 a year while the bushfires to date have produced around 4million tonnes. (And much of this will be returned to the forests as trees regenerate quickly after fires.)

That piece of information /research also challenges your comment that coal fired power stations have some "carbon resistant devices" attached to them

They don't Noco. One of the measures the coal industry has offered to combat the release of CO2 has been attempting to create add on carbon capture. This hasn't been done to date and the added capital costs and loss of efficiency make it unlikely to be cost effective. It would be cheaper to go to wind or solar.

Car emissions

Yes cars emit Carbon monoxide. However the main emission by volume is Carbon Dioxide.

Passenger car emissions summary
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimates of average passenger car emissions in the United States for July 2000 [25] Component Emission Rate Annual pollution emitted
Hydrocarbons 2.80 grams/mile (1.75 g/Km) 77.1 pounds (35.0 kg)
Carbon Monoxide 20.9 grams/mile (13.06 g/Km) 575 pounds (261 kg)
NOx 1.39 grams/mile (0.87 g/Km) 38.2 pounds (17.3 kg)
CO2 - Green house gas 0.916 pounds per mile (258 g/km) 11,450 pounds (5,190 kg)

Very interesting link on how monsoons are caused. There are certainly many effects on our climate.

Cheers


http://theconversation.edu.au/fact-check-do-bushfires-emit-more-carbon-than-burning-coal-11543
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_emissions

Apologies. I couldn't format the table for easier reading. Check the reference for clarity.

 

[Logique]

..suggest that we are far better off spending resources on preventing bush fires than on trying to combat the problem with what are obviously ineffective taxation policies?..

Bingo.

They say yachting is like standing under a cold shower, tearing up $100 notes. Well just wait until you see the total bill for the bushfires (both dollar and carbon) - that's if the general public are told at all.

All those aircraft, and all the other emergency funding and compensation payouts, it does not come cheap.

 

[basilio]

Well Logique our country does put many efforts into reducing bushfires. Public education, quick response teams whatever.

Bushfires will always be a problem of course. It goes with the territory of hot summers, lightening strikes accidents and human activity.

What will make the problem far worse will be hotter summers, and more extreme heat waves which will be the inevitable result of global warming. The Black Saturday bushfires demonstrated that what might have been just manageable fires in a certain temperature setting become totally monstrous with a few extra degrees.

 

[Some Dude]

If true, wouldn't that suggest that we are far better off spending resources on preventing bush fires than on trying to combat the problem with what are obviously ineffective taxation policies? I'm not saying the claim is true, its just that I haven't heard it disputed.

Could we work towards a mitigation solution for both at the same time?

 

[white_goodman]

Well Logique our country does put many efforts into reducing bushfires. Public education, quick response teams whatever.

Bushfires will always be a problem of course. It goes with the territory of hot summers, lightening strikes accidents and human activity.

What will make the problem far worse will be hotter summers, and more extreme heat waves which will be the inevitable result of global warming. The Black Saturday bushfires demonstrated that what might have been just manageable fires in a certain temperature setting become totally monstrous with a few extra degrees.

make sure you genuflect after these statements

 

[basilio]

Neat video encapsulates what has happened in USA in 2012 and the effect this is having on peoples understandings on the changing climate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GKBq53f7tWM#!

 

[basilio]

Mitigation to reduce the worst effects of climate change is apparently still possible.

Climate change damage can be limited by carbon cuts: study

Date
January 14, 2013 - 1:16PM


The world could avoid much of the damaging effects of climate change this century if greenhouse gas emissions are curbed more sharply, research shows.

The study, published in the journal Nature Climate Change, is the first comprehensive assessment of the benefits of cutting emissions to keep the global temperature rise to within 2 degrees Celsius by 2100, a level which scientists say would avoid the worst effects of climate change.

It found 20 to 65 per cent of the adverse impacts by the end of this century could be avoided.

"Our research clearly identifies the benefits of reducing greenhouse gas emissions - less severe impacts on flooding and crops are two areas of particular benefit," said Nigel Arnell, director of the University of Reading's Walker Institute, which led the study.

In 2010, governments agreed to curb emissions to keep temperatures from rising above 2 degrees C, but current emissions reduction targets are on track to lead to a temperature rise of 4 degrees or more by 2100.

The World Bank has warned more extreme weather will become the "new normal" if global temperature rises by 4 degrees.

Extreme heatwaves could devastate areas from the Middle East to the United States, while sea levels could rise by up to 91 cm (3 feet), flooding cities in countries such as Vietnam and Bangladesh, the bank has said.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environmen...-cuts-study-20130114-2covq.html#ixzz2Huf6XkWd

 

[Calliope]

Mitigation to reduce the worst effects of climate change is apparently still possible.

Possible...:dunno:

Probable...:shake:

 

[basilio]

I mentioned in an earlier post that there was National Climate Assessment report compiled and now published in draft form in the USA.

It outlines what scientist see as the effects of climate on America both currently and in the future. The story in The Guardian higlights some of the main findings

Climate change set to make America hotter, drier and more disaster-prone

Draft report from NCA makes clear link between climate change and extreme weather as groups urge Obama to take action



Suzanne Goldenberg, US environment correspondent
guardian.co.uk, Friday 11 January 2013 21.26 GMT
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Future generations of Americans can expect to spend 25 days a year sweltering in temperatures above 100F (38C), with climate change on course to turn the country into a hotter, drier, and more disaster-prone place.

The National Climate Assessment, released in draft form on Friday , provided the fullest picture to date of the real-time effects of climate change on US life, and the most likely consequences for the future.

The 1,000-page report, the work of the more than 300 government scientists and outside experts, was unequivocal on the human causes of climate change, and on the links between climate change and extreme weather.

"Climate change is already affecting the American people," the draft report said. "Certain types of weather events have become more frequent and/or intense including heat waves, heavy downpours and in some regions floods and drought. Sea level is rising, oceans are becoming more acidic, and glaciers and Arctic sea ice are melting."

The report, which is not due for adoption until 2014, was produced to guide federal, state and city governments in America in making long-term plans.

By the end of the 21st century, climate change is expected to result in increased risk of asthma and other public health emergencies, widespread power blackouts, and mass transit shutdowns, and possibly shortages of food.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environme...ange-america-hotter-drier-disaster?intcmp=239

The article has a link to the Draft report. http://ncadac.globalchange.gov/

The report itself is very big - over 1000 pages. I thought the 2 appendices on the Science of Climate Change and Answers to Commonly asked Questions were useful

Appendix I: NCA Climate Science - Addressing Commonly Asked Questions from A to Z

Appendix II: The Science of Climate Change

You will have to access these documents through the original URL. Happy reading.
Cheers