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If the Chinese are willing to take the risks of buying up agricultural land in Australia with the hops it will feed them should the worst happen, then more fool them.
As was seen during SARS, when the chips are down even slightly, it's every country for themselves.
China would be better off stopping the desertification of their own country, reforming their agricultural sector to attain the efficiency of the US and Australia in terms of output rather than buying land somewhere else and hoping we will ship the produce to them.
Is that supposed to be a joke GG? I thought it might be a test but it seem a bit too simple for that - Is there more than one Dr Jones Yes/No/Anything for a cheap shotAnd who is Dr.Jones one might ask?
Can he take out tonsils? no.
Can he take out an appendix? no.
He is funded.
He who pays the piper plays the tune.
He robs the Sun of it's rays. What happens when that runs out?
gg
makes me as sad as anything I've read on this whole sorry thread."All those "dams will never fill again" type predictions did a lot to discredit the public perception of the overall issue and unfortunately it's been reduced to a he said / she said type of argument.
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htmSALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer?
PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.
Why? when you can purchase land outside of your borders, that already has been cleared has infrastructure, all it requires is water.
The cost placed on pumping water from the ord to Perth was $12B, that was using diesel not gas.
That is a pittance to China, when they own enough land, they could put it in and charge us for the water.LOL
We are such a bunch of dicks, but we will be able to watch our demise on high speed NBN broadband, for $50b.
Like our NBN driven IT sector is going to lead us to the forefront of the world. Jeez
Even if we came up with something the U.S, U.K or China would buy it out.
The only advantage we have is minerals on the surface and a small population.
We should be using the mineral wealth to develop the food bowl, which will be ongoing.IMO
Is that supposed to be a joke GG? I thought it might be a test but it seem a bit too simple for that - Is there more than one Dr Jones Yes/No/Anything for a cheap shot
This Dr Jones is a senior climatologist with the BoM. His B,SC and Ph.D are from Uni of Melbourne.
I live in a corner of the Illawarra region of NSW. The region was one of those designated Catastrophic Fire Conditions today. Our corner was merely Extreme, but we still spent the day with the car packed and attention divided between the dam, the sky, the radio and the Rural Fire Service twitter feed.
I was feeling very thankful but Smurf's post above, that makes me as sad as anything I've read on this whole sorry thread.
If our level-headed Smurf believes that any such bald prediction was ever made, it can only be because the real predictions have been drowned out by the distortions. This particular distortion comes from a Landline interview with Tim Flannery in 2007. Here's the question and Flannery's answer:
http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm
Both question and answer contain "if"s. Both question and answer are in the context of farming through a long drought. The answer is a general description of long term (to 2100) changes whose initial impacts on rainfall and water storages were already visible. It doesn't say and doesn't mean that the dams would never fill again from the day of the interview till eternity. It does mean that IF certain trends continue then at some time dams and river systems will run dry.
So much misunderstanding. Such terrible results. So very sad.
Television executives and observers were surprised by both the big price tag and the decision by Mr. Gore, one of the best-known proponents for action to combat global warming, to sell to a Middle Eastern monarchy built with oil wealth.
The headline on a FoxNews.com op-ed on Thursday was “Global warming guru Al Gore becomes rich hypocrite with sale of Current TV to Qatar, Inc.” Several analysts said that Al Jazeera overpaid for Current.
compliments of WayneThe headline on a FoxNews.com op-ed on Thursday was “Global warming guru Al Gore becomes rich hypocrite with sale of Current TV to Qatar, Inc.” Several analysts said that Al Jazeera overpaid for Current.
In February 1992, at the UN in New York, the Global Climate Coalition (GCC) - a lobby group representing Exxon, Mobil, Texaco, Shell, BP and many other oil, coal and auto companies - used professional sceptic Fred Singer to attack the IPCC science at a press conference during the fifth session negotiations. The GGC issued a briefing entitled "Stabilising carbon-dioxide emissions would have very little environmental benefit". This kind of tactic became a feature of the negotiations: the deployment of one or more of a tiny group of well known contrarians against hundreds of scientists - most of them in government service, including the US's - who populated the IPCC side.
All I can say is that I was personally quite involved so far as the issue of rainfall (well, stream flows) are concerned back in 2008 and 2009.I was feeling very thankful but Smurf's post above, that makes me as sad as anything I've read on this whole sorry thread.
If our level-headed Smurf believes that any such bald prediction was ever made, it can only be because the real predictions have been drowned out by the distortions. This particular distortion comes from a Landline interview with Tim Flannery in 2007.
All I can say is that I was personally quite involved so far as the issue of rainfall (well, stream flows) are concerned back in 2008 and 2009.
Personally, I'm very well aware of what's going on so far as stream flows are concerned and the trend isn't good that's for sure. Likewise I'm a regular bush walker and I know what I see there too and it's the same trend. Even after the "good" rains of 2010 and 2011, there's no shortage of "permanent" creeks that are still dry today (and yes, some of those are in water catchment areas). The stream flow decline in SW WA is well known and documented meanwhile Hydro Tas has released a lot of data publicly about what's going on in Tasmania. I'll add that we are now in a period where storage levels are very likely to trend downward.
But I also know that people are fed up with hearing "scientists" argue for taxation (I have personally heard this one on radio news) and so on. Stick to the facts, the actual science, and drop the politics.
Cutting SOx emissions really only worked in those countries that wanted to do it. Also there's that little point that installing an FGD plant is a "bolt on" fix for existing power stations, smelters and the like and is reasonably cheap. It's akin to the idea of cheaply capturing and storing carbon - that's a very similar concept to what actually happens with sulphur. And of course the by-products of capturing sulphur, either as sulphuric acid or gypsum, are themselves valuable.It worked pretty well with sorting out sulphur emissions and acid rain
Seems to have worked fairly well on cutting down cigarettes too.
Maybe more of an emphasis on energy efficiency could help. I am annoyed that we allow too many highly inefficient products into this country.
A focus on higher fuel efficiency for cars would go a long way too. We could cut billions off our oil import bill if the Australian car fleet had similar efficiency levels as the Japanese and Europeans.
maybe less about saving the planet, more about securing our competitiveness and economic security in a more multi-polar and fractured future.
I don't think we have had this link have we ?
http://www.climatecooling.org/
Interesting stuff from someone who has worked with IPCC in the past
Which point on the website was the most interesting for you?
SD - are you a teacher by any chance? Or an ex-teacher?...
Heh. I have done teaching but I am a software engineer by trade. I taught software development and project management for a small time.
Why do you ask?
SD, questions like this one of yours: "Which point on the website was the most interesting for you?" which is quite typical of the types of questions given to school kids for homework. I know because I help a fair bit with grandkid's homework and I dread these sort of loaded questions when I am tired from looking after the kids and their mum AND the child has little idea on how to answer it and needs a fair bit of help!...
Global warming, the tool of the West
04.01.2013
By Stanislav Mishin
For years, the Elites of the West have cranked up the myth of Man Made Global Warming as a means first and foremost to control the lives and behaviors of their populations. Knowing full well that their produce in China and sell in the West model and its consequent spiral downward in wages and thus standards of living, was unsustainable, the elites moved to use this new "science" to guilt trip and scare monger their populations into smaller and more conservatives forms of living. In other words, they coasted them into the poverty that the greed and treason of those said same elites was already creating in their native lands.
What better way to staunch protests at worsening economic and life conditions than to make it feel like an honourable job/duty of the people to save "Gia". At the same time, they used this "science" as new pagan religion to further push out the Christianity they hate and despise and most of all, fear? Gia worship, the earth "mother", has been pushed in popular culture oozing out of the West for a better part of the past 1.5 decades. This is a religion replete with an army of priests, called Government Grant Scientists.
SD, questions like this one of yours: "Which point on the website was the most interesting for you?" which is quite typical of the types of questions given to school kids for homework. I know because I help a fair bit with grandkid's homework and I dread these sort of loaded questions when I am tired from looking after the kids and their mum AND the child has little idea on how to answer it and needs a fair bit of help!...
This is a quote lifted from a direct link From maccas artical:
"No Rise of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Fraction in Past 160 Years"
"Wolfgang Knorr of the Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Bristol reanalyzed available atmospheric carbon dioxide and emissions data since 1850 and considers the uncertainties in the data.
In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades"
It's the bit I liked best in the Article.
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