wayneL
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You have just disqualified yourself from reasonable discussion altogether.
If it was possible for me to having a lower opinion of you, this comment would have done it.
You have just disqualified yourself from reasonable discussion altogether.So I think “lukewarmer” is just a subset of “denier” –
WOWThat must be great great stuff your smokin Calliope. I was desperately trying to figure out just how you saw me as a creationist
Twenty-year-old models which have suggested serious ice loss in the eastern Antarctic have been compared with reality for the first time - and found to be wrong, so much so that it now appears that no ice is being lost at all.
"Previous ocean models ... have predicted temperatures and melt rates that are too high, suggesting a significant mass loss in this region that is actually not taking place," says Tore Hattermann of the Norwegian Polar Institute, member of a team which has obtained two years' worth of direct measurements below the massive Fimbul Ice Shelf in eastern Antarctica - the first ever to be taken.
According to a statement from the American Geophysical Union, announcing the new research:
It turns out that past studies, which were based on computer models without any direct data for comparison or guidance, overestimate the water temperatures and extent of melting beneath the Fimbul Ice Shelf. This has led to the misconception, Hattermann said, that the ice shelf is losing mass at a faster rate than it is gaining mass, leading to an overall loss of mass.
The team’s results show that water temperatures are far lower than computer models predicted ...
You have just disqualified yourself from reasonable discussion altogether.
If it was possible for me to having a lower opinion of you, this comment would have done it.
More empirical data conflicting with models http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/25/antarctic_ice_not_melting/
BRISBANE temperatures have failed to make 20C for four days in a row, the largest run of cold days in four years - and there's more to come.
Large parts of the state also face more cold and miserable school holiday weather today and tomorrow and more comfortable conditions are not expected until Friday.
Some places struggled to get into double figures over much of the central and southern half of the state yesterday.
Where's basilio when you need him?
Also smurph, when I phoned my elderly aunty in U.K last weekend, she said it was freezing and summer hadn't arrived. We are talking late June
US wildfires are what global warming really looks like, scientists warn
The Colorado fires are being driven by extreme temperatures, which are consistent with IPCC projections
Scorching heat, high winds and bone-dry conditions are fueling catastrophic wildfires in the US west that offer a preview of the kind of disasters that human-caused climate change could bring, a trio of scientists said on Thursday.
"What we're seeing is a window into what global warming really looks like," said Princeton University's Michael Oppenheimer, a lead author for the UN's climate science panel. "It looks like heat, it looks like fires, it looks like this kind of environmental disaster … This provides vivid images of what we can expect to see more of in the future."
In Colorado, wildfires that have raged for weeks have killed four people, displaced thousands and destroyed hundreds of homes. Because winter snowpack was lighter than usual and melted sooner, fire season started earlier in the US west, with wildfires out of control in Colorado, Montana and Utah.
The high temperatures that are helping drive these fires are consistent with projections by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which said this kind of extreme heat, with little cooling overnight, is one kind of damaging impact of global warming.
Others include more severe storms, floods and droughts, Oppenheimer said.
The stage was set for these fires when winter snowpack was lighter than usual, said Steven Running, a forest ecologist at the University of Montana.
Mountain snows melted an average of two weeks earlier than normal this year, Running said. "That just sets us up for a longer, drier summer. Then all you need is an ignition source and wind."
Warmer-than-usual winters also allow tree-killing mountain pine beetles to survive the winter and attack western forests, leaving behind dry wood to fuel wildfires earlier in the season, Running said.
"Now we have a lot of dead trees to burn … it's not even July yet," he said. Trying to stop such blazes driven by high winds is a bit like to trying to stop a hurricane, Running said.
Just to put another perspective on AGW cast your eyes on what is happening in America at the moment (and perhaps recall the catastrophic bushfires in OZ in feb 2008)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jun/29/us-wildfires-global-warming-scientists?intcmp=122
Are you suggesting that there's been no bushfires until now, because of a trace gas? And humans contribute 3% of this trace gas and you claim as other extremists do that it causes fires? And what about the floods? caused by the same human component of co2 as well?
you're a 100ml short of Full bottle of hysteric awg milk, keep lapping, I'm certain that your the only one left listening to this dribble.
Something people will slowly come to understand is the above comes with time as the cost of these activities is pushed slowly but surely beyond the reach of a greater percentage of the population.There's still no major trend against air travel for example and much of the push for economical cars seems to have died out too. Just an observation that the tax itself, rather than actually reducing emissions, has become the main focus of the debate.
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