wayneL
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Well thats all very well but global temperatures can't be rising can they ? After all according the most accurate scientific instruments and measurements available there has been no significant change to global temperatures since 1988..
So the trees and ecosystems have just got it all wrong again.
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/01/dr-david-evans-the-skeptics-case/
For most of my career, I have worked as an industrial scientist, either as an employee or consultant. It has been my responsibility to offer advice to employers and clients on when to go ahead, when to wait to get more data or when to drop a project. In practice, the data are usually inconclusive, often there is a real risk that the underlying technical model is wrong, and even successful outcomes have a large range of uncertainty. How do I know I’m right? I don’t. All I can do is honestly lay out all the pros and cons and use my best judgement in my recommendation.
Philosophically speaking, we can never claim perfect knowledge or certainty, especially about how events will unfold in the natural world. The best that we can do is to avoid bias, use multiple lines of evidence and to refine our ideas through discussion, criticism, testing and logic. From all my reading and attending conferences over the past few years, I am sure that climate science meets the highest standards of enquiry. It is clear beyond any reasonable doubt that our greenhouse gas emissions, mainly from fossil fuel use, are changing the atmosphere and that this will change the climate. It is going to get hotter and weirder, even if nobody knows precisely how hot, how weird or how fast the change will be.
No successful businessman can wait to make an investment decision until he has proof that all uncertainties and risks have been reduced to zero. Any delay, in the real world, means that the opportunity will go away or that someone else will seize it. Some climate skeptics claim that important decisions cannot be made until all the risks and uncertainties have been eliminated. These people obviously have never worked in a successful business.
We can’t ever know we are right. All we can do is rely on the best information we can get. Luckily, the knowledge provided by modern climate science is solid and consistent. But reliable information is only valuable if we act on it.
Andy S
With regard to the Heartlands ad.
I thought it made sense.
The Heartlands Group want to paint climate scientists and those who accept their research as criminal, crazy fanatics. A good way to do that is to figuratively and literally pair them up with current crazy fanatics.
After all the brohaha has died down most of the punters will just remember the association of climate change scientists with mad fanatics and think there must be something in it. I wouldn't try to overthink it.
When did "weather" become climate Wayne ? When temperature and rainfall patters change over a substantially long period of time. One way to check if the climate is changing is to see if ecosytems that normally survived and thrived in a particular climactic environment start to collapse because of ongoing significant changes to the climate. Which was the whole point of So Cynicals stories.
Not really, pestilence comes and goes with cycles of weather. Read up on history Bas.
Not really, pestilence comes and goes with cycles of weather. Read up on history Bas.
If you looked at an organic system billions of years age, millions of years tweaking its own stability, then comes an uppity industrialised simian that in a couple of short century's is to ten fold its number, beyond the limits of sustainability and who's only mantra is growth(like cancer), throwing it all akimbo... A pestilence that comes and goes?
Those who do not learn from their history are bound to repeat it.
Plod,
A bit of pathetic ad hom is the best you can do?
Once again, the interweb version of flapping the gums, devoid of any discernible argument or even a shred of logic.
Well done on the display of towering intellect.
Plenty of wacko misanthropic stuff right there.
There was an excellent series of short videos produce a few years ago by a science teacher which treated global warming as a risk management and logic issue. Well worth a look .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg&feature=youtu.be
a more current video offers a great way of tackling most issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E_tM_dI5eA&list=UUOBU1nNlXVzepsKFqxrq56g&index=1&feature=plcp
This comment on what was a reasonable assertion is even further out there W
Obviously loosing it ole pal.
When it goes against them most will move on, but as this climate problem becomes clearer some are obviously going to go nuts.
Oh Mr Plod! How tiresome!
Still no argument
Still no logic
Still going the Ad Hom
Climate problems? Clearer? LOL! You guys can't even make your models work in hindsight, that's the only problem.
ROTFL!
You did not even address the question. Just heaps of ho hum ho hum.
Bluster may turn some but not this ole black duck I thrive on it.
When did weather become climate again?
steps such as the carbon tax, with its many problems will however usher in not only a change of mindset but new innovative ways of making the world a cleaner and better place for future generations.
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