Resisting Climate Hysteria

[wayneL]

Well thats all very well but global temperatures can't be rising can they ? After all according the most accurate scientific instruments and measurements available there has been no significant change to global temperatures since 1988..

So the trees and ecosystems have just got it all wrong again.

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/01/dr-david-evans-the-skeptics-case/

When did weather become climate again?

 

[wayneL]

Heartland's faux pas

I expect basilio et. al will be here breathlessly reporting Heartlands advertisement equating belief in AGW with terrorists (now pulled).

From most AGW sceptics point of view is was distasteful and disgracefully hypocritical. We hate it precisely because it was hypocritical. Non have been more scathing than a majority within the sceptical camp.

Of course the alarmist camp has been awash with indignation and faux moral outrage in what must be the creme de la creme of hypocrisy.

After the 10:10 video, various calls to gaol, medicate and/or genetically interfere with sceptics... and of course the reporting of Anders Brevik's(SP?) scepticism, I cannot believe that alarmists can criticize what amounts to their own modus operandi with a straight face.

Heartland's ad was wrong and deserves criticism, but it serves to highlight the duplicity and disgraceful conduct of the alarmists over a period of years.

My

 

[Knobby22]

Further to Wayne' comments above- some information of the add follows.
I have to say I am not indignant, not surprised either. Just like to know who the sponsor was and whether they stand to gain by slowing action on global warming..

Global Warming Ad Quickly Dropped
By RACHEL NUWER
Published: May 5, 2012 New York Times
A new ad campaign comparing people who believe in global warming to murderers has foundered, with its conservative sponsor pulling a digital billboard down less than 24 hours after it went up in Chicago.

Drivers cruising along the city’s inbound Eisenhower Expressway on Friday may have been surprised to see Theodore J. Kaczynski, known as the Unabomber, staring at them from a huge billboard. “I still believe in global warming. Do you?” the billboard said. Just below was the Web address www.heartland.org.

The billboard was sponsored by the Heartland Institute, a libertarian organization based in Chicago that describes its chief mission as promoting free-market solutions to social and economic problems. It said it chose to feature “some of the world’s most notorious killers” on the billboards “because what these murderers and madmen have said differs very little from what spokespersons for the United Nations, journalists for the ‘mainstream’ media and liberal politicians say about global warming.”

But late Friday, the organization canceled the ad, which had drawn criticism from some global warming skeptics as well as mainstream climate scientists.

 

[basilio]

Came across a good piece which IMO summed up the situation with regard to Gloabal warming debate.

For most of my career, I have worked as an industrial scientist, either as an employee or consultant. It has been my responsibility to offer advice to employers and clients on when to go ahead, when to wait to get more data or when to drop a project. In practice, the data are usually inconclusive, often there is a real risk that the underlying technical model is wrong, and even successful outcomes have a large range of uncertainty. How do I know I’m right? I don’t. All I can do is honestly lay out all the pros and cons and use my best judgement in my recommendation.

Philosophically speaking, we can never claim perfect knowledge or certainty, especially about how events will unfold in the natural world. The best that we can do is to avoid bias, use multiple lines of evidence and to refine our ideas through discussion, criticism, testing and logic. From all my reading and attending conferences over the past few years, I am sure that climate science meets the highest standards of enquiry. It is clear beyond any reasonable doubt that our greenhouse gas emissions, mainly from fossil fuel use, are changing the atmosphere and that this will change the climate. It is going to get hotter and weirder, even if nobody knows precisely how hot, how weird or how fast the change will be.

No successful businessman can wait to make an investment decision until he has proof that all uncertainties and risks have been reduced to zero. Any delay, in the real world, means that the opportunity will go away or that someone else will seize it. Some climate skeptics claim that important decisions cannot be made until all the risks and uncertainties have been eliminated. These people obviously have never worked in a successful business.

We can’t ever know we are right. All we can do is rely on the best information we can get. Luckily, the knowledge provided by modern climate science is solid and consistent. But reliable information is only valuable if we act on it.

Andy S

http://www.skepticalscience.com/why-are-we-sure-were-right-2.html

With regard to the Heartlands ad.

I thought it made sense.

The Heartlands Group want to paint climate scientists and those who accept their research as criminal, crazy fanatics. A good way to do that is to figuratively and literally pair them up with current crazy fanatics.

After all the brohaha has died down most of the punters will just remember the association of climate change scientists with mad fanatics and think there must be something in it. I wouldn't try to overthink it.

When did "weather" become climate Wayne ? When temperature and rainfall patters change over a substantially long period of time. One way to check if the climate is changing is to see if ecosytems that normally survived and thrived in a particular climactic environment start to collapse because of ongoing significant changes to the climate. Which was the whole point of So Cynicals stories.

 

[basilio]

There was an excellent series of short videos produce a few years ago by a science teacher which treated global warming as a risk management and logic issue. Well worth a look .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg&feature=youtu.be

a more current video offers a great way of tackling most issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E_tM_dI5eA&list=UUOBU1nNlXVzepsKFqxrq56g&index=1&feature=plcp

 

[wayneL]

With regard to the Heartlands ad.

I thought it made sense.

The Heartlands Group want to paint climate scientists and those who accept their research as criminal, crazy fanatics. A good way to do that is to figuratively and literally pair them up with current crazy fanatics.

After all the brohaha has died down most of the punters will just remember the association of climate change scientists with mad fanatics and think there must be something in it. I wouldn't try to overthink it.

Of course it makes sense to you. As I pointed out that sort of garbage is standards alarmist MO.

Of course Heartland didn't need to go A Bridge Too Far with the unibomber and his ilk, they need only pick out a few of the quotes from established climate loons and certifiable nutters such as Hansen and the like.

Plenty of wacko misanthropic stuff right there.

When did "weather" become climate Wayne ? When temperature and rainfall patters change over a substantially long period of time. One way to check if the climate is changing is to see if ecosytems that normally survived and thrived in a particular climactic environment start to collapse because of ongoing significant changes to the climate. Which was the whole point of So Cynicals stories.

Not really, pestilence comes and goes with cycles of weather. Read up on history Bas.

 

[explod]

Not really, pestilence comes and goes with cycles of weather. Read up on history Bas.

You only have to look at the inconsistencies in the bible to know how reliable history is.

You're a joke w

 

[wayneL]

Plod,

A bit of pathetic ad hom is the best you can do?

Once again, the interweb version of flapping the gums, devoid of any discernible argument or even a shred of logic.

Well done on the display of towering intellect.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

When did weather become climate again?

lol

gg

 

[orr]

Not really, pestilence comes and goes with cycles of weather. Read up on history Bas.

If you looked at an organic system billions of years age, millions of years tweaking its own stability, then comes an uppity industrialised simian that in a couple of short century's is to ten fold its number, beyond the limits of sustainability and who's only mantra is growth(like cancer), throwing it all akimbo... A pestilence that comes and goes?
Those who do not learn from their history are bound to repeat it.

 

[wayneL]

If you looked at an organic system billions of years age, millions of years tweaking its own stability, then comes an uppity industrialised simian that in a couple of short century's is to ten fold its number, beyond the limits of sustainability and who's only mantra is growth(like cancer), throwing it all akimbo... A pestilence that comes and goes?
Those who do not learn from their history are bound to repeat it.

Indeed.

That has been my consistent position with regards to general pollution, and the longer the AGW ruse exists, the longer focus is directed away from genuine environmental challenges.

AGW is the boy who cried wolf.

 

[CanOz]

Without going though all this thread, i have some views here.

1.) I do not believe that the world is warming solely because of CO2. If the world is warming overall then its probably because of a combination of things...fewer trees, more cows, less ozone, more gamma rays, blah blah blah, who really knows for sure?

2.) If the world is indeed warming because of what human kind is doing then we are doomed. We cannot even muster the political will to agree on how to pay off national debt, let alone change the climate!! lol!!

3.) One thing history has shown us, that is sure to repeat....the climate will change

CanOz

 

[basilio]

Plod,

A bit of pathetic ad hom is the best you can do?

Once again, the interweb version of flapping the gums, devoid of any discernible argument or even a shred of logic.

Well done on the display of towering intellect.

So So good wayne. An inestimable command of the Queens english to skewer the unholy.

Now what is the chance you will actually say something honest in your posts ? Perhaps have a look at the video links I posted and start a conversation about risk management. Perhaps even realise that the stock in trade of Heartlands is packaged deception and vilification.

Nah. Don't bother. You would just give the rest of us a heart attack.

 

[explod]

Plenty of wacko misanthropic stuff right there.

This comment on what was a reasonable assertion is even further out there W

Obviously loosing it ole pal.

When it goes against them most will move on, but as this climate problem becomes clearer some are obviously going to go nuts.

 

[OzWaveGuy]

There was an excellent series of short videos produce a few years ago by a science teacher which treated global warming as a risk management and logic issue. Well worth a look .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg&feature=youtu.be

a more current video offers a great way of tackling most issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E_tM_dI5eA&list=UUOBU1nNlXVzepsKFqxrq56g&index=1&feature=plcp

lets put it in context - the definitition of alarmist risk management looks remarkably similar to hoovering up taxes and funding from the middle class for the elite to spend as they see fit - the couch alarmists pontificating the usual pigs in the trough scenario whilst everyone else must adjust their lives to address a non-issue.
perhaps you could let everyone which organisation you belong to - this can provide folks here with better context of your extreme views and drivel from your posts.

 

[wayneL]

This comment on what was a reasonable assertion is even further out there W

Obviously loosing it ole pal.

When it goes against them most will move on, but as this climate problem becomes clearer some are obviously going to go nuts.

Oh Mr Plod! How tiresome!

Still no argument
Still no logic
Still going the Ad Hom

Climate problems? Clearer? LOL! You guys can't even make your models work in hindsight, that's the only problem.

ROTFL!

 

[explod]

Oh Mr Plod! How tiresome!

Still no argument
Still no logic
Still going the Ad Hom

Climate problems? Clearer? LOL! You guys can't even make your models work in hindsight, that's the only problem.

ROTFL!

You did not even address the question. Just heaps of ho hum ho hum.

Bluster may turn some but not this ole black duck I thrive on it.

 

[wayneL]

You did not even address the question. Just heaps of ho hum ho hum.

Bluster may turn some but not this ole black duck I thrive on it.

No you don't. You just keeping digging a bigger hole...

What question?

 

[explod]

When did weather become climate again?

So lets just go back a few steps to the post targeted.

The extremes of wild weather increasing droughts and millions starving is but a mere repeat of the past in your view.

Well it is not mine,.. and all the huff and puff you like is not going to change the fact that, "Houston we have a problem"

And steps such as the carbon tax, with its many problems will however usher in not only a change of mindset but new innovative ways of making the world a cleaner and better place for future generations.

 

[CanOz]

steps such as the carbon tax, with its many problems will however usher in not only a change of mindset but new innovative ways of making the world a cleaner and better place for future generations.

In your OPINION.

CanOz