Resisting Climate Hysteria

[Calliope]

Thanks for that list Glen. I'm surprised there are so many Public Servants attending. I bet there is a nice serving of hanky panky.

On a more serious note, I do eagerly await the outcome of this historical event to see if what is spouted post Copenhagen resembles anything close to truth. See if they pass the ASF lie detectors.

As the conference draws to a close, few people hold out hopes for a successful outcome. I, on the other hand think that the conveners of the Conference have a trump card to play. And that card is Kevin Rudd.

It has not been obvious to many, why the leader of a second class country has been given the VIP treatment, and needs such a huge entourage. It is now clear. Leaders of the developed countries, in their wisdom, recognise Kevin Rudd to be the world's leading sorry sayer. Before the Conference descends into chaos, Kevin will be called upon to deliver the sorry address.

O behalf of the rich nations he will apologise to the poor nations for our greed in using up their pollution heritage before they can have a whack at it. After this gut-wrenching apology there will be tears flowing and hugging in the aisles and everybody will depart feeling good.

The beauty of the apology is that you don't have to pay compensation. And Kevin will have achieved his first miracle on his path to sainthood.

 

[wayneL]

At the moment you must excuse me if I suspect confirmation bias

I'm going to do something you'll never see a warmanista admit to, and that is admit to confirmation, and a number of other biases.

I realise that as a human, that I'm subject to these. What really concerns me is that warmanistas refuse to acknowledge their own biases and the distortions in their thinking it causes. They believe themselves to be somewhat popelike in their infallibility. Not good.

My actual bias is to refuse to accept that MMCC is occuring. By accepting that I am biased, I have forced myself to consider valid refutations of that.

This is the challenge I have with warmanistas, the absolute refusal to admit bias and accept valid refutations of their own junk (The extreme on the other side is also guilty of this).

I still think you are holding up expectations from this article you would never expect from articles that fit your own cognitive biases.

 

[Julia]

As the conference draws to a close, few people hold out hopes for a successful outcome. I, on the other hand think that the conveners of the Conference have a trump card to play. And that card is Kevin Rudd.

It has not been obvious to many, why the leader of a second class country has been given the VIP treatment, and needs such a huge entourage. It is now clear. Leaders of the developed countries, in their wisdom, recognise Kevin Rudd to be the world's leading sorry sayer. Before the Conference descends into chaos, Kevin will be called upon to deliver the sorry address.

O behalf of the rich nations he will apologise to the poor nations for our greed in using up their pollution heritage before they can have a whack at it. After this gut-wrenching apology there will be tears flowing and hugging in the aisles and everybody will depart feeling good.

The beauty of the apology is that you don't have to pay compensation. And Kevin will have achieved his first miracle on his path to sainthood.

 

[wayneL]

It appears there has been some sort of 11th hour deal.

And Macquack will be happy to know that Danish police pushed an elderly delegate in the back (who had his hands in his pockets at the time), knocking him to the ground, hitting his head and resulting in loss of consciousness. Our favourite Lord is quite OK however.

You got your wish mate, chalk one up for thuggery.

 

[Macquack]

You got your wish mate, chalk one up for thuggery.

Showing your cognitive bias there Wayne. What happen to Monckton was unwarranted and unacceptable.

If you remember Wayne, my reference to Monckton getting knock out was in reference to the Lord repeatedly referring to a jewish guy whose grandparents had escaped Nazi Germany as a "Nazi" and "Hitler Youth".

 

[BradK]

This whole climate change thing is beyond spin... its a wash. All the arguments for and against are so muddied, that the average punter shrugs his shoulders and walks away... a wash. Much much much better than spin.

In this one, I seriously don't know my ass from my elbow.

Saw the Monbiot/ Plimer b!tch fight on Lateline just now (ABC iView). What a clown Plimer is.

One more thing: Monckton has big bulging eyes!! Doesn't he? huh? Huh? HUH? Freaky stuff... I don't want to bring the level of debate down into the gutter - because clearly on this I have NOTHING to offer... but I think that is how I look just before I ejaculate.

... yeah... sorry about that.

Brad

 

[Happy]

What also worries me is that all the billions pumped to ‘poor’ countries mostly will be squandered by their elite as most of the aide was so far.

 

[Julia]

What also worries me is that all the billions pumped to ‘poor’ countries mostly will be squandered by their elite as most of the aide was so far.

That's exactly what I was thinking. You'd have to hope they would be required to keep a clear account of what measures the funds are used for, and that this would be checked. Then, by whom? Given the UN's woeful record in pretty much everything, I can't see them holding any nation adequately to account.

What a godawful potential for wasting money this looks like being.
But no worries, the taxpayer doesn't get a choice. Along with the increased costs of electricity and everything else affected by an ETS which almost certainly will eventually happen.

 

[Calliope]

That's exactly what I was thinking. You'd have to hope they would be required to keep a clear account of what measures the funds are used for, and that this would be checked. Then, by whom? Given the UN's woeful record in pretty much everything, I can't see them holding any nation adequately to account..

Meaningful outcome.

WORLD leaders have reached a "meaningful" climate accord but it is not sufficient to combat the threat of global warming, a senior US official says.

http://www.news.com.au/world/meaningful-climate-deal-reached/story-e6frfkz9-1225811944522

Most of the underdeveloped countries went to Copenhagen with one thing on their mind, and that was to screw the rich countries for all the could get in handouts. Climate change was the last thing on their minds.

 

[wayneL]

Showing your cognitive bias there Wayne. What happen to Monckton was unwarranted and unacceptable.

If you remember Wayne, my reference to Monckton getting knock out was in reference to the Lord repeatedly referring to a jewish guy whose grandparents had escaped Nazi Germany as a "Nazi" and "Hitler Youth".

It wasn't cognitive bias, I was just having a go at you for unjustifiably wishing violence on my "pin up boy".

 

[wayneL]

Why I am a Climate Realist - by Willem de Lange - Professor Department of Earth & Ocean Sciences, University of Waikato

In'eresting.

....................So, I am a climate realist because the available evidence indicates that climate change is predominantly, if not entirely, natural. It occurs mostly in response to variations in solar heating of the oceans, and the consequences this has for the rest of the Earth’s climate system. There is no evidence to support the hypothesis runaway catastrophic climate change due to human activities

 

[BradK]

Monckton has big bulging eyes... I think that is how I look just before I ejaculate.

Brad

So, none of you took the bait. I'm going to take a long hard look at myself. :

Brad

 

[bunyip]

Sent to me by someone - thought I'd pass it on....


Wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen!


There could be some truth in this?



Are we all being railroaded on to the Wong track?



Will anyone get an apology if this is so?





Please take the time to read this, as KRudd is looking at signing away billions of dollars of our Taxes to the UN for so called "Global Warming"...we all need to get on board with this one before it's too late



Column - Will Rudd pay the UN $7 billion?

Andrew Bolt Blog

Andrew Bolt

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 at 07:20am

NEXT month Kevin Rudd flies to Copenhagen to help seal a United Nations deal to cut the world’s emissions - and to make Australia hand over part of its wealth

So keen is the Prime Minister to get this new global-warming treaty signed that he’s been appointed a “friend of the chairman” to tie up loose ends.

So here’s the question: is Rudd really going to approve a draft treaty that could force Australia to hand over an astonishing $7 billion a year to a new and unelected global authority?

Yes, that’s $7 billion, or about $330 from every man, woman and child. Every year. To be passed on to countries such as China and Bangladesh, and the sticky-fingered in-between.

And a second question, perhaps even more important: is Rudd really going to approve a draft treaty which also gives that unelected authority the power to fine us billions of dollars more if it doesn’t like our green policies?

It is incredible that these questions have not been debated by either the Rudd Government or the Opposition, whose hapless leader, Malcolm Turnbull, on Monday admitted he did not even have a copy of this treaty. Australia’s wealth and sovereign rights may soon be signed away, so why hasn’t the public at least been informed?

In case you think what I’m saying is just too incredible - too far-fetched - to be true, let me quote this draft treaty.

Here is paragraph 33 of annex 1, which has already been discussed at UN meetings involving Australian negotiators in Bangkok and now Barcelona. Brackets indicate phrases which still need final agreement:

“By 2020 the scale of financial flows to support adaptation in developing countries must be [at least USD 67 billion] [in the range of USD 70-140 billion] per year.”

Plus, says paragraph 17 of annex III E, developed countries such as Australia should “compensate for damage” to the economies of poorer countries “and also compensate for lost opportunities, resources, lives, land and dignity” allegedly caused by our gases.

And here comes the bill, in paragraph 22, objective 41, of annex 1 of this extortion note: “[Financial resources of the Convention Adaptation Fund"] [may] [shall] include: (a) [Assessed contributions [of at least 0.7% of the annual GDP of developed country parties] ... “

In fact, deeper in the draft our bill for our “historical climate debt, including adaptation debt” climbs to at “at least [0.5-1 per cent of GDP]”.

Wow. Let’s do the sums. Australia’s GDP is about $1000 billion a year. So this demand for 0.7 per cent of our annual wealth works out to $7 billion a year, to be handed over to a new global agency of the United Nations.

That’s your money, folks. Billions to be sent to Third World governments and authoritarian regimes to allegedly deal with a warming that actually halted in 2001. And all funneled through the UN, which brought us such fast-money wheezes as the Oil-for-Food corruption scandal.

Never have the Third World’s demands for the First World’s cash been so brazen.

But wait, there’s more. Because never has the Left’s mad goal of world government been so close, either.

This draft treaty, on which Climate Change Minister Penny Wong has worked, also calls for the creation of a new “board” of global warming bureaucrats appointed by the countries signing the Copenhagen deal.

The powers this board will have over us are astonishing. For a start, it will check our emissions, and could “impose financial penalties, at a minimum of 10 times the market price of carbon, for any emissions in excess”.

Work it out: if we exceed our emissions target by, say, as much as Rudd warned two years ago we’d overshoot by 2012, we’d be up for a fine of $1.4 billion even with the very lowest carbon price under Rudd’s plan.

Even more outrageously, this new world body could impose “penalties and fines on non-compliance of developed country parties” such as Australia that failed to honour “commitments to ... provide support in the form of financial resources, technology transfer and capacity building”.

All this gives a remote and unelected world body a huge and unprecedented say in how we run our own economy and our foreign affairs. For instance, any Australian government that decided to keep gassy coal-fired power stations running to avoid blackouts or to save Australian jobs potentially faces huge fines from foreigners.

Likewise, if it stopped handing over technological breakthroughs to a China or some African leader it no longer trusted, it could be fined again.

But wait, there’s still more.

You’d think this draft treaty that Rudd has worked on would at least give us a say over how our billions are spent.

But no. UN bodies are already notoriously hard for any one nation to supervise or restrain. Even the United States, the biggest donor of all, could not stop the corruption at UNESCO two decades ago, and was forced to walk out in protest. Nor could it stop dictatorships such as Libya and Cuba from later holding key roles in the UN’s human rights bodies.

And with this new global warming body, the vote of the paying West will be overruled even more decisively by the spending rest.

Under this draft treaty, the new board’s biggest spending arm - the “adaptation fund” - will be managed by a “governing board comprising three members from the five United Nations regional groups, two members from small island developing nations and two members from the least developed countries”.

That formula means the industrialised nations which pay most could hold just one of the nine seats on the body which will then spend their cash. Our cash.

That’s the treaty being prepared for the Copenhagen meeting. That’s the billions we risk having to hand over. That’s the power we risk losing over our own affairs.

Now ask: why hasn’t this been the subject of furious debate? Where’s the Government? Where’s the Opposition?

Well, here’s Rudd’s one response to this threat, given only this week: “At this stage there’s no global agreement as to what long-term financing arrangements should underpin a deal at Copenhagen.”

That’s a “trust me”, with no bottom line. In fact, Rudd is already reaching into his - your - wallet: “Australia, once a global agreement is shaped, would always be prepared to put forward its fair share ."But how much? Seven billion dollars a year? Five? Three? Hello?

As for Turnbull ... well, it’s tragic.

Badgered by Alan Jones on 2GB on Monday on this very point, he said: “Of course the poorest countries are going to need assistance ... (But) there is no way that anything like this would be accepted without extensive debate.”

So where is that debate, Malcolm? Why aren’t you screaming from the rooftops for reassurances that our wealth won’t be squandered and our powers handed over?

Just this week the European Union said it would pay its share of an $82 billion cheque to this new body if countries such as ours come on board, too - so who’s applying the brakes?

Not our politicians, for sure.

So if you oppose this surrender of our billions and our freedom, better start saying so now, before it’s all too late.

 

[inenigma]

The one fact that everyone agrees on is that there are too many humans on the planet.
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Too true GG.... The world needs war to reduce the surplus humans living on it.... either that or it'll be "Soylent Green" (remember the movie ???)

 

[Aussiejeff]

Too true GG.... The world needs war to reduce the surplus humans living on it.... either that or it'll be "Soylent Green" (remember the movie ???)

Yum!!!!!

 

[Happy]

Or vaccine resistant mutant Swine flu virus

 

[Aussiejeff]

*sigh*

Enough frivolity, children..... back to the serious business of Climate Hysteria!

Can WongKRudd & Co instill enough meaningful hysteria into us gullible heathens after the sputtering flame of Global Warmth was snuffed out by a sudden cold snap in Hopelesshagen?

When and where will the next SupaDupa Summit be convened?

Any odds for a stanking hot February 2010 at Uluru, hurriedly organised by mine host Chairman KRudd ably assisted by his trusty sidekicker PeWong?

Oh, the humanity......

"Pass the caviar, Swannee...."

 

[Calliope]

Apparently Rudd will try to salvage a bit of face by dropping in on the Pope on the way home so that he can claim responsibility for getting someone called Mary MacKillop canonised for performing two miracles.

Can we trust someone who claims to believe in such crap, or is it just part of his devious spin?

 

[Happy]

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Can we trust someone who claims to believe in such crap, or is it just part of his devious spin?

Good point, but futile protest as long as all religions are not banned.

 

[ghotib]

A long (5 page) article about correcting apparent cooling of the oceans. An example of non-hysterical response to unexpected data.

Josh Willis and his colleagues concluded that the world’s oceans gained heat in the decade from 1993 to 2003 (top). However, a follow-up study for the years 2003 to 2005 showed a surprisingly large decrease in heat content””about 5 times as large as the previous decade’s warming

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/OceanCooling/

Cheers,

Ghoti