I just don't know how you can say that Moxjo. Certainly there are other points of view expressed. But what makes the site stand out is the way it takes each anti global warming argument and compares it against the peer reviewed research and scientific principles. It is at stage that the overwhelming nature of the evidence comes through.
The site is also particularly effective at dissecting the statements of Monchton, Carter, Plimer etc and showing where they have misrepresented papers, made up facts and ignored evidence.
It is all in bite sized chunks as well and written at at least 2 levels so people can read the information at appropriate levels.
It's obviously not true to say we know everything about climate change. But what is understood and so far proven at the moment says we have a critical problem to deal with.
In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney's dams could be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains, leaving the city "facing extreme difficulties with water".
Check Sydney's dam levels today: 73 per cent. Hmm. Not a good start.
In 2008, Flannery said: "The water problem is so severe for Adelaide that it may run out of water by early 2009."
Check Adelaide's water storage levels today: 77 per cent.
In 2007, Flannery predicted cities such as Brisbane would never again have dam-filling rains, as global warming had caused "a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas" and made the soil too hot, "so even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and river systems ... ".
Check the Murray-Darling system today: in flood. Check Brisbane's dam levels: 100 per cent full.
All this may seem funny, but some politicians, voters and investors have taken this kind of warming alarmism very seriously and made expensive decisions in the belief it was sound.
So let's check on them, too.
In 2007, Flannery predicted global warming would so dry our continent that desalination plants were needed to save three of our biggest cities from disaster.
As he put it: "Over the past 50 years, southern Australia has lost about 20 per cent of its rainfall, and one cause is almost certainly global warming ...
"In Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane, water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months."
It's obviously not true to say we know everything about climate change. But what is understood and so far proven at the moment says we have a critical problem to deal with.
This discussion has been a fact free zone for ages now. Wayne and co endlessly repeat untruths in the same way that other groups use when attempting to misguide people. That is what is meant by denier...
THE Finance Minister, Penny Wong, has warned that Kevin Rudd's proposal to review the carbon tax after six months with a view to easing the $23-a-tonne starting price could blow a hole in the budget.
Basilio, denier has more to do with the holocaust than the money grab of pricing carbon. Shame on you guys for coining such a derogatory term.
And, no facts? How about this?
LOL - Brisbane has had the coldest summer in TWELVE years.
Read all about it: Brisbane’s coldest summer in 12 years
"Surreal" was the term for a distorted type of painting style, today is is used as "unreal"Basilio, denier has more to do with the holocaust than the money grab of pricing carbon. Shame on you guys for coining such a derogatory term.
LOL - Brisbane has had the coldest summer in TWELVE years.
Sigh, you do know we are in a La Nina weather pattern at present?
In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney's dams could be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains, leaving the city "facing extreme difficulties with water".
And this is the fundamental source of all the squabbling. If the case had been presented with less in the way of dire and absolute predictions of the total doom of the world and everyone in it, and a more moderate description of some of the challenges for the future, it's my bet there would have been a more consistently accepting response.. But it hardly seems an open and shut case that either side makes it out to be.
Sigh, you do know we are in a La Nina weather pattern at present?
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/w...er-comments-20110117-19u5f.html#ixzz1nkDEzKHc''There's very little doubt that the burning of fossil fuels is responsible for the hottest oceans we've ever seen off Australia, which in turn the scientists are saying very clearly is responsible for the quite extraordinary and harrowing floods that we've seen,'' Senator Brown said.
So why did Climate Change Commissioner Professor Tim Flannery tell us otherwise, didn't he know?
I'm not against the science or even think I know whats going on regarding CC. But it hardly seems an open and shut case that either side makes it out to be.
And this is the fundamental source of all the squabbling. If the case had been presented with less in the way of dire and absolute predictions of the total doom of the world and everyone in it, and a more moderate description of some of the challenges for the future, it's my bet there would have been a more consistently accepting response.
People are rightly distrustful of exaggerated claims.
This discussion has been a fact free zone for ages now. Wayne and co endlessly repeat untruths in the same way that other groups use when attempting to misguide people. That is what is meant by denier.
It is easy to prove your first two statements are untrue Wayne. Go to any scientific body that researches the whole body evidence around climate change and check it out.
wayneL;687802] I note you persist with using the offensive term 'denier', to include anyone that does not agree with the worst case 'hypothesis'.
I also note you neatly sidestepped my question re the lifestyle choices of alarmists.
From these three points, one is able to make certain conclusions about you.
Gee my lawn is loving this global warming, it's never been greener through the last few summers.........oh wait
Cheers
We are not talking about policing Mr Plod. As a policeman you are also expected to receive abuse and are probably trained for it.Offensive my foot. In public I have been called a pig and scum and I did not bat an eyelid. If you are going to be tough you need to also toughen up
Absolutely everything Mr Plod. In the short/medium term, the only way to curb co2 emissions is to curtail our lifestyles.And what have those choices to do with the argument?
Conclusions, pray tell, interesting profiling or for the little black book perhaps. Maybe we are going back to the Special Branch days.
At Cooma, in the Snowy Mountains, almost 1000 people had fled their homes last night. A levee built to only contain a one-in-20-year flood was threatening to burst overnight. A further 600 people had been evacuated in Goulburn (see report page 2) and 100 more in parts of Bega. Water cut roads and isolated 367 people in Towamba near Eden.
By this morning, as much as three-quarters of the state was forecast to be either flooded or isolated by flood.
Cooma was expected to receive a year's worth of rain - about 500 millimetres - inside the first 65 days of this year. The Bureau of Meteorology was forecasting as much as 80 millimetres of rain would fall on metropolitan Sydney in the 12 hours from midnight.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/w...nts-packing-20120301-1u61h.html#ixzz1ns8BnslV
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