I’m probably going to be banging my head against a brick wall here but anyway....
Even if there isn’t a direct link between co2 commissions and climate change there are so many other reasons to decarbonise our economies. Coral bleaching, ocean acidification, health impacts of highly polluted air (anyone been to Jakarta, Beijing or LA). Even if you couldn’t care less about the environment there is only so much oil/coal/gas in the ground. Even if there is 100 years worth of fossil fuels, then what? Considering the amount of economic knowledge there is on this forum surely people can see what impact situations such as peak oil will have on the world.
Prof Ian Plimer makes this same point in his book "Heaven and Earth".It’s an assertion repeated by politicians and climate campaigners the world over: “2,500 scientists of the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) agree that humans are causing a climate crisis.”
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An example of rampant misrepresentation of IPCC reports is the frequent assertion that “hundreds of IPCC scientists” are known to support the following statement, arguably the most important of the WG I report, namely “Greenhouse gas forcing has very likely caused most of the observed global warming over the last 50 years”.
In total, only 62 scientists reviewed the chapter in which this statement appears, the critical chapter 9, “Understanding and Attributing Climate Change”.
Time is what worries me. Based on all the info I have, we've got only until the economy (globally) grows more than a few % to have the alternatives rolling off the production line since oil production capacity today is almost certainly below actual consumption levels 18 months ago.As for your concern about peak oil and resource extermination, mans greed for prosperity will resolve this.
Oil companies made sure that mans inventions to alternative resources were squashed, so the intellectual property is out there.
Its only a matter of time.
13 degrees in Hobart at the moment but a few days ago it was nearly 33.Ruddmiester Hysteria
Heat Wave in Adelaide = Global Warming.
What a Shiester!
Whay will he say if it starts snowing in Canberra? = Global cooling!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13 degrees in Hobart at the moment but a few days ago it was nearly 33.
Does this mean I can claim an imminent ice age because it's dropped 20 degrees in just a few days? No, it's just normal variation in the weather.
It's nothing new to have a heatwave in Adelaide or for it to get cold in Tasmania. Likewise it's nothing new to find humidity in Brisbane or drought in most of the country.
One thing we forget is that Australian cities and weather records haven't been around that long - after only a couple of centuries, considerably less for most weather monitoring locations, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that we have not seen the extremes that will occur.
Just because Adelaide hasn't officially recorded anything higher than a bit over 47 doesn't mean that it didn't get to 48, 49 or even 55 degrees at some point in the past before the city was built and we started recording temperatures. We just haven't been recording the weather for long enough to have experienced the full range of what nature can throw at us.
13 degrees in Hobart at the moment but a few days ago it was nearly 33.
Does this mean I can claim an imminent ice age because it's dropped 20 degrees in just a few days? No, it's just normal variation in the weather.
It's nothing new to have a heatwave in Adelaide or for it to get cold in Tasmania. Likewise it's nothing new to find humidity in Brisbane or drought in most of the country.
One thing we forget is that Australian cities and weather records haven't been around that long - after only a couple of centuries, considerably less for most weather monitoring locations, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that we have not seen the extremes that will occur.
Just because Adelaide hasn't officially recorded anything higher than a bit over 47 doesn't mean that it didn't get to 48, 49 or even 55 degrees at some point in the past before the city was built and we started recording temperatures. We just haven't been recording the weather for long enough to have experienced the full range of what nature can throw at us.
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Yes as a kid I remember walking the drying river beds looking for among other things goannas, lizards, snakes, crayfish, top notch pigeon, feral pigs and wild cats. Then at different times revelling in the mud slides on the banks of the Flinders River in flood from the rains in the Gulf. Truly normal climate but that was a long way from the industrial world back then.I personlly worked on sheep stations in the late 40's and early 50's and experienced severe drought, fire and floods, being marooned on one property for two weeks on an island surrounded by water. There was no panic in those days, no helicopers to the rescue, no bitumen sealed roads. Most property owners had been through all before and made adequte preparations in advance.
So tell me what's new today? The only thing new today is the BS being put out by politicians; the hysteria that we must have an ETS and a CPRS to save the world, from what?
Noco, I doubt it will make you feel better to know that the amended scheme includes additional benefits for the coal and electricity industries, funds for which will be taken from the assistance to ordinary householders.
When, for 'God's sake when, are these stupid people going to get in touch with reality!
THAT was a day that will live in infamy and insanity and inanity.
We had a prime minister who declared economic war on his own country. And an opposition leader who spent the rest of the day trying desperately to make it unanimous. Finally, succeeding.
Now committing to something like this this would be bad enough coming from any leader of any country. Directly attacking the wellbeing of its citizens.
Especially when that leader knows, and I mean knows that it is utterly pointless, even in his own misconceived terms, as no-one of major emitting substance is going to follow.
Coming from the leader of a country whose entire economy is built on carbon-based energy and the export of carbon-based products, it is criminally - there really are no other words for it - insane.
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