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Value Collector said:
No, that quote is from the NT



Such as,

Can you provide the verses, and how they 'accurately foretold' anything
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I'll get the verses regarding history soon, but for now, regards the parable, you must see this(go to 0:54 mark):




(your example is worse than the OT scripture before. Definitely hung up on the Bible imo...side comment: Regards Islam, muslims encounter enormous difficulty defending. One has to prove Jesus had a kind of holy jihadist type of morality, or they can't say Jesus's teachings are in harmony with Islam. very hard to do...)
 
grah33 said:
I'll get the verses regarding history soon, but for now, regards the parable, you must see this(go to 0:54 mark):
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Cool, I am waiting




(your example is worse than the OT scripture before. Definitely hung up on the Bible imo...side comment: Regards Islam, muslims encounter enormous difficulty defending. One has to prove Jesus had a kind of holy jihadist type of morality, or they can't say Jesus's teachings are in harmony with Islam. very hard to do...)
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firstly that video does nothing to answer my question, which was "does Jesus condone the actions in the story or not?"

secondly it proves my point exactly, I said "There are even New Testament verse ISIS could use to justify their killing"

and then you post a video of a muslim justifying actions of muslims using that verse, HAHAHA, do you even read your own responses?

Your video shows exactly what I said could happen

One has to prove Jesus had a kind of holy jihadist type of morality
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not hard when he said things like

King James Bible Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
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But of course you just skip that due to the secular morality that has creeped into your subconscious, But not everyone skips that during their cherry picking.

As I said the Bible is the big book of multiple choice, what every you want to do you can do it, just cherry pick the right verse, So you need a morality that comes from outside of the religion, eg secular morality.
 
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VC, I have said on many occasions how much Melbourne has deteriorated with those pro death Greens.

If we ever forget that we are One nation under God, we will be a nation gone under.

-- Ronald Reagan.

We are all ladies and gentlemen, no matter if you are black or white.
 
Value Collector said:
King James Bible Matthew 10:34
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword..
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I'm guessing you are just throwing this stuff out there for effect? If you had attended Sunday school you would know in what context this is and it isn't about putting peoples physical being to the sword.
 
Tisme said:
I'm guessing you are just throwing this stuff out there for effect? If you had attended Sunday school you would know in what context this is and it isn't about putting peoples physical being to the sword.
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So you are sure every religious nut that picks up the book will get the same interpretation as your brand of Sunday school?

you will find many christians justify carrying guns and the death penalty by quoting Jesus.





 
luutzu said:
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Are you saying that Jesus taught people they should get into an arms race?
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Sometimes luutzu, I seriously wonder about your ability to comprehend written English.

Did you happen to purchase your translator from this mob?:

 
Value Collector said:
So you are sure every religious nut that picks up the book will get the same interpretation as your brand of Sunday school?

you will find many christians justify carrying guns and the death penalty by quoting Jesus.





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True, but I expect more from you:)
 
luutzu said:
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Are you saying that Jesus taught people they should get into an arms race?
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thispreacher explains Jesus wasn't asking Peter to be a pacifist, just telling him to not fight the authorities or take the law into his own hands.


this preacher also has an interpretation

 
Value Collector said:
Cool, I am waiting



firstly that video does nothing to answer my question, which was "does Jesus condone the actions in the story or not?"

secondly it proves my point exactly, I said "There are even New Testament verse ISIS could use to justify their killing"

and then you post a video of a muslim justifying actions of muslims using that verse, HAHAHA, do you even read your own responses?

Your video shows exactly what I said could happen



not hard when he said things like



But of course you just skip that due to the secular morality that has creeped into your subconscious, But not everyone skips that during their cherry picking.

As I said the Bible is the big book of multiple choice, what every you want to do you can do it, just cherry pick the right verse, So you need a morality that comes from outside of the religion, eg secular morality.
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The whole point of that clip was to show you how ridiculous your interpretations are. The guy was laughing uncontrollably. And yet you are still asking for an explanation. It has not been granted.


So what if you've managed to find some nutties online that take Jesus's parables literally. You seem to be relying on a few cousins of Strawman too often.

Unfortunately though, in Islam Jesus is viewed like this. It seems to me that a problem with Islam is that Jesus taught things that aren't in harmony with Mohamed's teachings. And this is an issue , since one can't have a religion where 2 prophets disagree with each other. Some blunted examples are Jesus condemning polygamy, stoning punishments, divorce by 3 , and the brutality of the OT Law. And as I said b4, the view of the NT is that the OT Law was designed for a people who lacked morality (killers). Yes, they are still inclined to think that its standard (similar to Islam) is good enough for modern humanity. So I feel that muslims believe in many lies.
 
Value Collector said:
thispreacher explains Jesus wasn't asking Peter to be a pacifist, just telling him to not fight the authorities or take the law into his own hands.


this preacher also has an interpretation

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Jesus probably regretted that when the Roman takes him in for a whipping, then a hanging. :D
 
grah33 said:
... So I feel that muslims believe in many lies.
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A big call to make for a person who believe there's only one God and Jesus is his only son. All because Jesus says so, and because his disciples wrote it down in a pretty book.

btw, aren't you guys all believe in the same God/Allah?

Come on man, you three religion gotta sit down and talk things over. There's very little difference between your deities.

It's not like one believe in God and the other in the Jade Emperor.
 
grah33 said:
The whole point of that clip was to show you how ridiculous your interpretations are. The guy was laughing uncontrollably.
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Yet he didn't provide an answer, I think the laughing guy was shocked to see the verse, at first he was laughing thinking it was a mis quote, then he was dumbfounded.

But I still ask the question, what is the moral of that story?

And yet you are still asking for an explanation. It has not been granted.
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Because I don't think you actually know the answer


So what if you've managed to find some nutties online that take Jesus's parables literally.
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its entire churches.

since one can't have a religion where 2 prophets disagree with each other. Some blunted examples are Jesus condemning polygamy,
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was Abraham a prophet? because he disagreed with Jesus on polygamy.
 
luutzu said:
A big call to make for a person who believe there's only one God and Jesus is his only son. All because Jesus says so, and because his disciples wrote it down in a pretty book.

btw, aren't you guys all believe in the same God/Allah?

Come on man, you three religion gotta sit down and talk things over. There's very little difference between your deities.

It's not like one believe in God and the other in the Jade Emperor.
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You're right, my language was a little too strong with that last line. You know how it is, expressing oneself online... And there is still some basic important things in common as you say.
 
Value Collector said:
Yet he didn't provide an answer, I think the laughing guy was shocked to see the verse, at first he was laughing thinking it was a mis quote, then he was dumbfounded.

But I still ask the question, what is the moral of that story?



Because I don't think you actually know the answer




its entire churches.



was Abraham a prophet? because he disagreed with Jesus on polygamy.
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Yes Abraham was a man of God, but that proves nothing at all.

Abraham was a good man that listened to God's voice, and an ordinary man for that time , that God picked. In any case, if your read the story , having 2 wives caused problems. As the NT explains well enough, polygamy/rampant divorce was given to a society that lacked morality. In that time, the Jews and there morality (when they followed it) were a light to the world. But in this time, a society practicing such morals wouldn't even be noticed, but in fact ridiculed. The secular moralists would even frown upon it.
 
Still waiting on the verses you promised.

grah33 said:
Yes Abraham was a man of God, but that proves nothing at all.

Abraham was a good man that listened to God's voice, and an ordinary man for that time , that God picked. In any case, if your read the story , having 2 wives caused problems. As the NT explains well enough, polygamy/rampant divorce was given to a society that lacked morality. In that time, the Jews and there morality (when they followed it) were a light to the world. .
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But given that The NT prophet (Jesus) can disagree with the OT prophet (Abraham), Doesn't that make your example of Mohammed disagreeing with Jesus meaningless?

I am just following your rules here,

You say you can't have a religion where two prophets disagree, and you use an example of Mohamed disagreeing with an earlier prophet (Jesus), but Jesus himself disagrees with multiple earlier prophets,

But in this time, a society practicing such morals wouldn't even be noticed, but in fact ridiculed, secular moralists would even frown upon it.
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yes, we would frown upon a man willing to kill his child because the voice in his head told him too.

In fact I think we would rightfully jail him in a looney bin, and I hope not even you would disagree we should.
 
As was mentioned in the American thread --
https://www.whitehouse.gov/

In America, we know that
FAITH AND FAMILY,
not government and bureaucracy,
are the center of American life.

Our motto is: IN GOD WE TRUST.
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Why do they have -- In God we trust.

As we have in our preamble -- Almighty God.
 
Tink said:
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Why do they have -- In God we trust.

As we have in our preamble -- Almighty God.
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it was added in 1956, because of an irrational fear of "Godless communists",


from wikipedia.
A law passed in a Joint Resolution by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by President Dwight Eisenhower on July 30, 1956, declared "In God We Trust" must appear on American currency.
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under god was also added to the pledge of allegiance around the same time, again out of fear of communists,

 
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