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Value Collector said:
The African ones you don't count for a start.

But, there is less true christian theocracies in existence now, But don't let that fool you, remember how they acted when they had all the power, the fact that there is not as many christian theocracies committing terrible deeds is not because something about christianity makes it better, it's because western society has become more secular.
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But there are more Muslim theocracies now, and they are the problem today.
 
SirRumpole said:
But there are more Muslim theocracies now, and they are the problem today.
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I would say the Christian Theocracies are still a problem, because the problem is religion in general.

but what's Islamic theocracies in the ME got to do with the garden variety Aussie battler muslims?
 
Value Collector said:
but what's Islamic theocracies in the ME got to do with the garden variety Aussie battler muslims?
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They follow the same ideology as Islamic theocracies it just happens to be tempered by secular law in Australia, but if the Muslim population gets too large they will try to introduce their own laws and turn us into a theocracy as some have tried already. We can't let that happen.
 
SirRumpole said:
They follow the same ideology as Islamic theocracies
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That's my whole point, they don't nessasarily have the same ideology.

Just as the Catholic Church has different ideologies to the prespitarians, and the prespitarians believe different stuff to to the Mormans, and the Mormans think the baptists are crazy, and the southern baptists think the northern baptists are going to hell, and the northern baptists disowned the westborrow baptist church, but the west borrow baptists think the johvah witnesses are going to hell while the pentacostals talk to snakes etc etc etc etc etc

There are over 10,000 different Christian religions and it's the same with Islam, perhaps even more so.
 
Value Collector said:
That's my whole point, they don't nessasarily have the same ideology.
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Well my point is that in Islamic theocracies they follow the same practises of religious punishment to different degrees.

Malaysia might seem 'moderate' but they still cane people for homosexuality, same in Indonesia,and of course in Saudi Arabia women can't even drive a car without being arrested.

Some areas of Britain want to introduce Sharia law, so if you give Muslims an inch they will take a mile. It's best to keep them in a box from the start and not let too many in.
 
Value Collector said:
Years ago I heard the massive Copper deposit being mentioned as a key part of how the Afghanistan government was eventually going to be weaned off outside support and become self funding.

At the time 2020 was the year they aiming for to be able to end outside funding, at the time that seemed along way a off, now it's not that far off, but man that going to be a difficult mining operation from a security stand point, and transporting the out put over the boarder in china seems easy enough, but I would imagine it's going to be expensive providing the security.

You are a sitting duck on those mountain crossings.

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I guess where there's money, there's a way. Pretty freaking sad actually.

You reckon they will have the Afghan gov't agreeing to repay the US/Alliance for all military expenses from these copper and other minerals?

Saw a doco years ago, probably "Why we fight", where some historian said Bush Jr.'s admin had the Iraqi gov't agreeing to using its oil export fund to repay all the costs the US put into liberating them (the country, not the oil :D).

There's this part in the new Brad Pitt starred War Machine (on Netflix) where the average Afghani farmer could only grow two crops in their region - cotton or poppies. Cotton would compete against US cotton farmers so they have to either grow drugs or die starving.

Yea, it's been a long time. I was practically a kid when 911 happened, then Bushes' march to wars. Was glued to the tv and news for a couple of weeks straight. Hard to believe it's almost 2 decades... and Mad Dog Mattis recently said the new 4000 additional troop deployment "is just the beginning".
 
Wysiwyg said:
Finally, for tonight anyway, since my teens when I was a Midnight Oil fan, I have strongly believed America should be a passive world power. However without their support during the great war the Nazis may well be controlling everything west of Russia.
The on going problem is in the mind man, look at Kim Jong's brain. Oh but that's because America is basing nearby isn't it. Mania, schizophrenia, self aggrandisement, paranoia, dominance/submission .... with our thoughts, we make the world.
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No, the US didn't go into WWII to save the world from Nazism.

In fact, US planners had already drew up the world where the Nazis control all of Europe/UK and the Soviets. What changed their mind was England somehow managed to survived the initial attacks, got enough troops out of Dunkirk, and Hitler drawing the Soviets against him by attacking it.

Once it appear that England might be able to survive this thing, FDR increased their Lend/Lease programme to help the Brits survive and keep the Nazis occupied a bit.

Some conspiracy theory has it that Churchill knew of Japan's planned attack on Pearl Harbour... and here I am just guessing that the US planners also knew because the cracked all Japan's codes a long long time ago... but let Pearl Harbour happen to draw the US into the war. Without that, the American people wouldn't have wanted to enter the war.

It's this point that many warmongers points to to rationalise pre-emptive strikes. Problem with that theory is that not every warlord is a Hitler. I mean they might be just as nasty as the bastard was, but you need more than nastiness to conquer the world and slaughtering millions.

That and look at the bastards the US props up or befriends with. So wars were never fought for genuinely altruistic reasons. They're rarely fought for defensive reason either. Most are fought for commercial and strategic interests.

So on the world stage, the US went into WWII for dominance, not liberation of Europe or Asia.

Take a smaller example of a similar war that I know of... Communist Vietnam marched over into Cambodia. That ended the Pol Pot regime. But the VC didn't do it to free or liberate the Cambodians as they claimed. They did it because most of the capital was emptied and the comrades thought to finish their ancestors' annexation of all of Cambodia instead of only half.
 
Value Collector said:
Here is the thing though, in every conflict, both sides believe they are the good guys.

Both sides are willing to commit acts of extreme violence in the name of their cause, because they believe they are right.
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I don't think so. Defending oneself or country from an attacker is the alternative to lay down and get killed or owned. It is only natural to defend against attack as all animals do. Not to be right.
 
Wysiwyg said:
I don't think so. Defending oneself or country from an attacker is the alternative to lay down and get killed or owned. It is only natural to defend against attack as all animals do. Not to be right.
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Do the taliban believe they are the bad guys? Off course not, they believe they are the good guys, they set their Ieds and lay their ambushes believeing they are doing the right honorable thing.

Same with our boys, they conduct their raids and ambushes thinking they are doing the right honorable thing.

Which is correct, well you will get different answers from different people, depending on what that person believes.

The vast majority of people want to do the right thing, and be seen by their peers and community as good people.

However beliefs inform actions, and if your beliefs are flawed, your actions are flawed, religion and faith mess with your beliefs and therefore cause flawed actions.

This can lead a person to believe the right thing to do is to fly a plane into a building, I prefer people to avoid faith based thinking, and instead base their world view on rational thought and reality.
 
Tisme said:
Will Australia adopt this too?

http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-a...ces-comes-into-force-20171001?c=1506859586705
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"The law also prohibits surgical masks, ski masks, clown make-up, as well as the balaclavas preferred by black block protestors"

So in other words virtually any form of face covering? Ski masks? In Austria?
That's a bit daft considering it'll rarely get above zero degrees there for the next few months.

How soon before we ban the cross because it can be used as a weapon? LOL
 
http://worldstory.co/archaeologists...is-may-prove-that-jesus-never-existed-photos/

Archaeologists Unearthed The First Pope: This May Prove That Jesus Never Existed (Photos)
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The remains of the first Catholic pope have been exhumed by archaeologists and have been remarkably well preserved, as well as turning up some secrets the church would rather have stayed buried.




UNEARTHING OF THE POPE REVEALS CATHOLIC SECRETS

The man thought to be the first pope is believed to have died around 155AD and was initially buried in the cathedral in the city of Aquileia.

The cathedral was knocked down, and the tomb opened in 1789 before being transferred to a chapel for reburial in 1875.

The remarkable preservation is thought to have been due to a combination of the large number of humidity and plants inside the tomb and the fact that he was buried in the winter months.

Allowing less decomposition to take place in the first few months that the body was buried.

More interestingly alongside the body, the archaeologists found numerous documents also preserved from the time of his death detailing alternate accounts of key events and even some that suggest that the Messiah was, in fact, a fabrication created by the Christians of the time to further their agenda.

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If the documents are verified as genuine, it could cast doubt by the entire Catholic faith system which has been damaged greatly already in recent years due to numerous scandals.


Alongside the numerous conflicting accounts of the life of Jesus are also hundreds of other stories relating to other similar prophets throughout the ages, many of whom bear striking similarities fo Jesus.

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From the documents found it appears that the life of Jesus as most people know it was largely created from handpicked moments from the stories of other previous messianic figures from history.

The true life of Jesus, who science has supported was a real person, may have been very different and not at all as the Bible suggests.

Some of the other messianic figures who predated Jesus but bear striking similarities include Horus and Mithras, both of whom are said to have been the basis of some of the life story of Jesus in the past.

Horus, the Egyptian god of the sky and kingship, was born of a virgin, baptized at the age of 30 and had 12 disciples.

He was also crucified and resurrected similarly to Jesus thousands of years later.

Mithras was a Roman cult god and also had a virgin birth, had a festival on December 25th, marked his followers on the forehead, was associated with the lion nd the lamb, sacrificed himself and had a sacred day on Sunday.

All centuries before Jesus had been born or Christianity had taken root.
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Televangelist Jim Bakker threatens viewers’ grandkids with eternal damnation unless they buy his pancake mix
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Disgraced televangelist Jim Bakker stoked fears of presidential assassination while claiming that their grandchildren of his audience could face eternal damnation unless they call a 1-888 phone number and send him $60 (plus shipping) for a bucket of pancake mix.

“You know, if they kill our president, or they destroy him or whatever,” Bakker worried. “If we elect the other side, I mean they’ve come out against God.”

“I think maybe Trump is here to give us time to get ready, because all hell is going to break loose,” Bakker suggested.

“We’re not going to have the anti-Christ to show up to get the sign of the mark of our beast on our forehead, it won’t happen without hunger,” he claimed.

“Hunger is going to be the main thing. You don’t get it, most people don’t want to get it, but that’s why I’m so obsessed with you all being prepared,” he claimed.

Bakker resigned from his Assemblies of God ministries after facing accusations of drugging and raping an employee. He was convicted of fraud and imprisoned.

 
DB008 said:
Disgraced televangelist Jim Bakker stoked fears of presidential assassination while claiming that their grandchildren of his audience could face eternal damnation unless they call a 1-888 phone number and send him $60 (plus shipping) for a bucket of pancake mix.
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Much as I can't stand religious charlatans such as Bakker, I certainly did not here him say what is claimed in the above post. He did talk about hunger while at the same time showing an ad for his pancake mix, but that is not quite the same thing.
 
Victims 'told not to report' Jehovah's Witness child abuse
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Children who were sexually abused by Jehovah's Witnesses were allegedly told by the church not to report the crimes.

Victims from across the UK told the BBC they were routinely abused and that the religious organisation's own rules protected perpetrators.

One child abuse lawyer believes there could be thousands of victims across the country who have not come forward because of a "two witness" rule.

A statement from the church said it did not "shield" abusers.


'Bring reproach on Jehovah'
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BBC Hereford and Worcester spoke to victims - men and women - from Birmingham, Cheltenham, Leicester, Worcestershire and Glasgow, one of whom waived her right to anonymity.

Louise Palmer, who now lives in Evesham, Worcestershire, was born into the organisation along with her brother Richard Davenport, who started raping her when she was four. He is serving a 10-year prison sentence for the abuse.

The 41-year-old, formerly of Halesowen, West Midlands, said when she told the church of the abuse she was told not to go to police.

"I asked [the organisation], 'what should I do? Do you report it to the police, [or] do I report it to the police'?

"And their words were that they strongly advised me not to go to the police because it would bring reproach on Jehovah."

Another woman, from Worcestershire, said she was sexually abused as a child by a friend of her brother.

She said she told her parents and elders in the congregation what happened and they advised her not to report it.

"It started off just being very cuddly and I was always a very tactile little girl, but it gradually got worse and worse.

"It escalated until... he started raping me."

 
YouTuber who claimed veganism cured her cancer
dies of cancer
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Mari Lopez credited veganism and a faith in God as the cure for her breast cancer last year, just months before her breast cancer returned.

In a video posted to YouTube last January titled 'Cancer Transformation FAQ - SEE IMPORTANT UPDATE,' Lopez credited veganism and a faith in God as the cure for her breast cancer, adding, "The lemon-ginger blast helped me remove inflammation from my body." Additionally, Lopez went on a 90-day juice cleanse, which lead to "food withdrawals."

 
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