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DB008 said:
YouTuber who claimed veganism cured her cancer
dies of cancer
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Mari Lopez credited veganism and a faith in God as the cure for her breast cancer last year, just months before her breast cancer returned.

In a video posted to YouTube last January titled 'Cancer Transformation FAQ - SEE IMPORTANT UPDATE,' Lopez credited veganism and a faith in God as the cure for her breast cancer, adding, "The lemon-ginger blast helped me remove inflammation from my body." Additionally, Lopez went on a 90-day juice cleanse, which lead to "food withdrawals."

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I have fears for Olivia Newton John who apparently has married a herbal remedy spruiker.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...n/news-story/fa7e66ff84114156ce485f094b3a3164
 
A vegan diet can reduce your risk of developing cancer, But once you have cancer, you need to forget about the herbal remedies and go to the real doctors.
 
Value Collector said:
A vegan diet can reduce your risk of developing cancer, But once you have cancer, you need to forget about the herbal remedies and go to the real doctors.
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Agree once the damage is done. A neighbour off the fags 20 years and died of lung cancer.

Stopped smoking some years back on a method called "The Easy Way" The author Allan Carr off them for years died the same way. So one steps with trepidation, a vegan now myself have discovered that meat and alcohol are both regarded as cancer agents.

Anyway too many of us on this planet so just party and enjoy each day.

Back to topic folks. The further I go the more I see religion as a man made tool to chain the sheeple up.
 
explod said:
Agree once the damage is done. A neighbour off the fags 20 years and died of lung cancer.
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Unfortunately air pollution in Australian cities causes lung cancer, So dropping smoking greatly reduces your risk, But it doesn't reduce it to zero.

a vegan now myself have discovered that meat and alcohol are both regarded as cancer agents.
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I am a pescatarian, No Diary, Eggs or land Based animal products, I basically have a vegan diet, But I eat seafood food 2 or 3 times a week.

I also eat honey, I think it is silly so many vegans are against honey when they are generally trying to reduce their impact on animals and beekeeping for honey production is probably the lowest impact way we have of producing food.

eg, we already need to keep bees for pollination, so using the honey for food just increases the productivity output of the farms, secondly we can put bee hives in undisturbed bushland and get food from it, there is no other way to produce food with out clearing the bush land.
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Back to topic folks. The further I go the more I see religion as a man made tool to chain the sheeple up.
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Yep, if it were true they would have better evidence.
 
Value Collector said:
Unfortunately air pollution in Australian cities causes lung cancer, So dropping smoking greatly reduces your risk, But it doesn't reduce it to zero.



I am a pescatarian, No Diary, Eggs or land Based animal products, I basically have a vegan diet, But I eat seafood food 2 or 3 times a week.

I also eat honey, I think it is silly so many vegans are against honey when they are generally trying to reduce their impact on animals and beekeeping for honey production is probably the lowest impact way we have of producing food.

eg, we already need to keep bees for pollination, so using the honey for food just increases the productivity output of the farms, secondly we can put bee hives in undisturbed bushland and get food from it, there is no other way to produce food with out clearing the bush land.
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Yep, if it were true they would have better evidence.
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Chained down with veils over the head, indoctrination from childhood and ordered in their Koran to obey their man.

Evidence is clouded with dreamland belief.
 
SirRumpole said:
What's wrong with dairy and eggs ?
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both are sourced from animals that have a high level of consiousness and self awareness, so I don't want to support an industry that kills them, and puts them under stress when there is plant based alternatives that I can use with lower impacts to the environment and animals.

Even best practice animal slaughter is far from perfect, so I would prefer to avoid using mammals and even birds as a feedstock.
 
Value Collector said:
both are sourced from animals that have a high level of consiousness and self awareness, so I don't want to support an industry that kills them, and puts them under stress when there is plant based alternatives that I can use with lower impacts to the environment and animals.

Even best practice animal slaughter is far from perfect, so I would prefer to avoid using mammals and even birds as a feedstock.
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I admire your principled stand on this, but I doubt if milking cows puts them under a lot of stress.
 
SirRumpole said:
I admire your principled stand on this, but I doubt if milking cows puts them under a lot of stress.
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As a kid I milked cows by hand on our farm. The cows constantly mooed to their calves nearby who also were calling back to their Mothers. We put the milk through a separator and fed the calves with the skim milk, the cream was collected for the butter factory. And I related to the feelings of those animals and the haunting of it is what in later life turned me initially into a Greenie.
 
explod said:
As a kid I milked cows by hand on our farm. The cows constantly mooed to their calves nearby who also were calling back to their Mothers. We put the milk through a separator and fed the calves with the skim milk, the cream was collected for the butter factory. And I related to the feelings of those animals and the haunting of it is what in later life turned me initially into a Greenie.
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So you don't eat dairy food either ?
 
explod said:
No, total vegan and my health has improved enormously since.

Of course I'm just a pup at 72
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Im pesco, like VC. Tried to be a vegan for the longest time but with my job I just wasn't able to cope without some sort of higher protein source
 
wayneL said:
Im pesco, like VC. Tried to be a vegan for the longest time but with my job I just wasn't able to cope without some sort of higher protein source
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Now we are having true confessions :D I have tried to eliminate red meat from my diet, eating mainly chicken and fish, but still eat dairy and eggs, although I use low fat cheese and milk.
 
SirRumpole said:
I admire your principled stand on this, but I doubt if milking cows puts them under a lot of stress.
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Firstly all the males get killed, because you can’t milk the boys.

Secondly, the females are impregnated to kick start the milk cycle then get their babies removed which is stressful for mother and calf.

Thirdly, once the old girl slows down on her milk production she is killed.



These calves are removed from their mother and shot, so that is humans can have the milk their mothers made for them.

 
wayneL said:
Im pesco, like VC. Tried to be a vegan for the longest time but with my job I just wasn't able to cope without some sort of higher protein source
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Protein actually comes from plants, the biggest and strongest animals on land are vegan eg gorilla, elephant, rhino etc

What you may have been missing was vitamin B12 and iron, a vitamin supplement can fix that, or some fish
 
Many top athletes, particularly short distance runners and weight lifters are vegans. It does take a bit of research and sorting but a focus towards nuts and beans is a good start. Animals in the field of course love grain, hence flour and rice. I've also moved away from the strict three meals a day time lines and graze throughout the day. Often wake around 3am and have a herbal tea and dry biscuit. In antiquity (before lights) when we went to bed with the sun the nights were long so its in our makeup for this rise for awhile in the night.
 
Value Collector said:
Firstly all the males get killed, because you can’t milk the boys.

Secondly, the females are impregnated to kick start the milk cycle then get their babies removed which is stressful for mother and calf.

Thirdly, once the old girl slows down on her milk production she is killed.



These calves are removed from their mother and shot, so that is humans can have the milk their mothers made for them.

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Many old milkers are sent to the USA where they find themselves in fast food chain burgers.
 
Tisme said:
Many old milkers are sent to the USA where they find themselves in fast food chain burgers.
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Yeah as I said they are killed, just like beef cattle, so the dairy industry isn’t lower harm than he meat industry, it’s actually worse, because it had the same level of killing, but it has extra stress on the animals.
 
Also the egg industry is no better, the males are killed often by being feed into a grinder while they are still alive.

And the females live their live often in poor conditions until they slow down and are slaughtered.

This video shows how the males are roughly sorted and then sent to the grinder alive.

 
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