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Value Collector said:
In regards to the morality of the burka, the factors that are relevant are the principle of personal freedom, eg you shouldn't take someone's right to wear it unless it is causing real harm.
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So what is the real harm of someone walking down the street naked ?

Why is that banned ?
 
Value Collector said:
I am also not cool with the government going around and destroying personal freedoms any more than they already do in the name of security.
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I haven't seen you complain about the metadata legislation which intrudes on the personal freedoms of all of us, so why are you so keen to defend a small minority who want to hold on to bizarre superstitions and promote distrust in the community ?
 
luutzu said:
Oh ey, there's also robberies by people just wearing normal clothes. What should we do?

Nib the bud might need to go further than clothing. Maybe people are bored, need quick cash, can't get no job in this economy etc. etc.

Can't imagine a criminal would sit around planning their crimes then... wait a minute, the burqa is banned, how the heck are we going to pull this off now? Back to the drawing board... heck, back to find legal employment or financial services and investment banking, haha
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Hey the question asked and I candidly provided the answer. Everyone is a potential criminal in the eyes of the other, but criminals do use camouflage to conceal their identity and now we are bigots and xenophobes if we stare at someone wearing a sack head to toe it would have to be a must have fashion for armed robberies and the like..... someone with hoody and a gun bulging out of the side pockets ain't gonna cut it in the obscuration stakes these days.

I'm sure there are criminal acts going on here with people donned in the burqa. Didn't some woman back a few years in Adelaide conceal her identity to gain a drivers licence for her muslim friend/relly?

The courts probably mandate that burka crimes be sealed from public scrutiny to avoid hate retaliation, for the good of the community of course. Remember the Carnita Matthews case in Sydney?
 
sptrawler said:
Actually, I'm beginning to agree with you, lets just get over it and let everyone in.

Why be paranoid? Why not just accept everyone, we have a very big country with a small population.

We should be more welcoming of other cultures.:D

Let's bring in heaps of Indians, Sri Lankans, Nigerians, Somalians, Syrians, Iranians, just open the border, let's get the population moving.

That will move the economy.lol

Actually I think us old farts, that believe there is something worth protecting, are dinosours.lol
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I think we need to change the media too. We need to show our tolerance and embrace the diversity by insisting serials, movies, daytime TV panels, QANDA, etc are representative of our roots ..... take Sunrise for instance perhaps a full blood aborigine in floral dress as host, a 3rd gen Italian lineage socialite as her sidekick, along with her lesbian Jewish wife, an Indian migrant weathergirl, news from Hollywood a transgender African American, technology guru an Iranian woman with trench coat, glasses and nihab, and the entertainment talking head an aging New Zealander with a razor haircut doubling as the token male.
 
SirRumpole said:
so why are you so keen to defend a small minority who want to hold on to bizarre superstitions and promote distrust in the community ?
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Society is made up of lots of minorities, we are all a minority in some way, and I don't think just because you are in a minority your freedoms should be open for seizure.

I am an atheist, atheists could be considered a minority group, I don't want my freedoms infringed just because some larger group thinks my personal freedom is worth less because we are a minority, so I am not going to infringe on other minority groups, its pretty simple, you know the old rule "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

I would also defend the right of Catholics and Jews to wear their clothing, their cults superstitions are no less bizarre.

Not to mention as I said before, I don't want to cause polarisation of the our society.
 
sptrawler said:
So you think everyone should be welcome?
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I think we should have an immigration policy, I have no idea on what the correct number should be, but it should be open for people of all backgrounds to apply.


Or are you just trying to make me out as a racist?
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Maybe you are maybe you aren't, I noticed your sarcastic remark mentioned Indians, Sri Lankans, Nigerians, Somalians, Syrians, Iranians, by making the sarcastic comment aren't you trying to point out that you actually don't think its a good Idea to get immigrants from those countries?

Maybe its just a coincidence that all the countries you listed have mainly brown populations, maybe you accidently left out all the mainly white countries.

I guess it sort of gives the impression that you are ok with white immigration, but you find the Indians, Sri Lankans, Nigerians, Somalians, Syrians, Iranians a bit off putting.
 
SirRumpole said:
Society is already polarised by religion.

Get rid of that instead of pandering to it, and perhaps we call all start working together.
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not anywhere near as polarised as it could be, there is a large portion of the religious population that is gradually becoming secular, if you start making them feel they are under attack they retreat back into their mob.

You can see it happening even with Christians in the USA, who are not actually even being attacked, they whip themselves up into a frenzy, You can choose to win the Battle or win the War, Battles are won by force, but long term the only way to win a war is to win hearts and minds.
 
Value Collector said:
You can see it happening even with Christians in the USA.
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What's happening? :eek: I have religious nut friends in the USA ..I would hate them to be treated as a minority given they are the true believers.... that God lives in Oklahoma..ish. Good honest people who have no time whatsoever for confessed non Christians; you can't get anymore salt of the earth than that VC. BTW what is the punishment for making out you are a Christian in deep south USA?:eek:
 
Tisme said:
Hey the question asked and I candidly provided the answer. Everyone is a potential criminal in the eyes of the other, but criminals do use camouflage to conceal their identity and now we are bigots and xenophobes if we stare at someone wearing a sack head to toe it would have to be a must have fashion for armed robberies and the like..... someone with hoody and a gun bulging out of the side pockets ain't gonna cut it in the obscuration stakes these days.

I'm sure there are criminal acts going on here with people donned in the burqa. Didn't some woman back a few years in Adelaide conceal her identity to gain a drivers licence for her muslim friend/relly?

The courts probably mandate that burka crimes be sealed from public scrutiny to avoid hate retaliation, for the good of the community of course. Remember the Carnita Matthews case in Sydney?
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Of course you can't help being so candid when such a question is ask :D Win some and lose a couple VC?

Another question: Does the burqa commit crimes or is it the people that commit crimes? We know from the yanks that gun don't kill people, it's people that kill people and so everyone ought to carry one or two to not be kill by people... just maybe by their kids looking for change in mummy's purse.

Googled Carnita Matthews... btw, isn't that an Anglo name? What is she doing driving when I thought women in burqa aren't allowed to do those modern day stuff.

Anyway, crazies and criminals come in all dress code. A few years ago some dude was killed in a fight over a parking spot in Bankstown. Killed when the driver he peed off got out and smack her high heel against his head. And don't mess with Asians either, they're usually unarmed but could be extremely dangerous (tag line from a Brandon Lee movie)
 
Probably just got greedy seeing all those tax free dollars coming in...


Singapore Mega-Church Head Guilty of Embezzling $35 Million​


The founder of a popular Singapore church was found guilty Wednesday of misappropriating more than $35.5 million in donations to support his wife's singing career in Asia before helping her break into the U.S. market for evangelization purposes.

Kong Hee, the founder and senior pastor of City Harvest Church, was found guilty with five other church leaders of stealing 24 million Singapore dollars ($17 million) designated for building and investment-related purposes through sham bond investments.

The State Court also found that they used another 26 million dollars ($18.5 million) to hide the first embezzlement from auditors. It is a rare case of corruption of such magnitude in the city-state, which has an image of being highly law-abiding and largely graft-free.
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Check out these idiots - Jehovah's Witnesses...


Highly-secretive “Talmudic” Correspondence Guidelines document leaked by Watchtower insider​

The last few weeks will have been deeply frustrating for the Governing Body, as multiple leaks have exposed a growing resentment of their attitudes and policies among an increasing number of bethel workers.

And now a fresh leak from a Watchtower insider has blown the lid wide open on how the organization deals with issues affecting the rank and file.

“Correspondence Guidelines” is a 118-page document issued to key staff at bethels around the world, giving cookie-cutter responses to a long list of scenarios involving various doctrines.

Previously only available to a privileged few, a 2011 edition of the document is now freely available, effectively meaning that anyone who has the document knows how Watchtower will reply to almost any letter they write before they even put pen to paper.
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Dutch court revokes Scientology’s tax-exempt status​


A court in the Hague revoked Scientology’s status as a “public welfare institution” this week – and the tax exemption that goes with it.

Janine Pieters, reporting in the NL Times, said the court has ruled that sales of Scientology’s courses and therapy sessions are aimed at profit-making and that it does not therefore belong on the tax authorities charity list.

Scientology, which has its UK HQ in East Grinstead, is a belief system invented by pulp fiction writer L Ron Hubbard who claimed human beings need to be “cleared” of the invisible spirits of thetans who were blown up in a nuclear explosion on earth by the evil dictator Xenu 75 millions years ago.

To rid themselves of these thetans Scientology offers its adherents courses and “auditing” which cost thousands of pounds.

But the Dutch court found the courses cost considerably more than those offered by secular commercial institutions, equating the cost to prices students would expect to pay for “top education from top teachers in prime locations” reports Pieters.

The organisation can appeal against the Dutch decision, but it is not yet clear whether it will.

In the meantime, a Scientology spokesman called the ruling “discrimination based on religious beliefs”.r
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