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This cult should be banned in Australia. However, just just set-up shop in Chatswood, Sydney ($35m)...

The Church of Scientology buys land in West Chatswood for $37 million to build new Australasian headquarters​

THE Church of Scientology has quietly snapped up a large tract of land on Sydney’s leafy North Shore where it hopes to build a new base for the religion in the southern hemisphere and usher in a new “golden age”.

The land in West Chatswood, which cost the church $37 million, will be the site of a sprawling new facility called the Ideal Advanced Organisation and Continental Base for Australia and the Asiatic region.

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Also, BBC Doco on Scientology. Wow. What a bunch of idiots. Their God is called Zenu....LOLOLOLOLOL.

 
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Feng Shui is also pretty crazy.

Try designing a Feng Shui approved house... you'll go crazy if you're not rich enough, and in the end, probably go broke if you're somewhat rich enough... and will end up with the weirdest, most impractical house any sane person could own.

I saw this massive house that's quite alright except for the paintjob. On the outside they got red, green and purple (all on the one side, each facing certain direction - to be in harmony with the owners' colours I think) and the rest of the house is some "normal" colour; Inside there's yellow, pink, white... and that's just in one room.

But it makes believer feels safe and prosperous, so I guess that's not so crazy.
 
Scientology in Germany​

The German government does not recognize Scientology as a religion. It views it as an abusive business masquerading as a religion and believes that it pursues political goals that conflict with the values enshrined in the German constitution. This stance has been criticized, most notably by the U.S. government, which recognizes Scientology as a religion and has repeatedly raised concerns over discriminatory practices directed at individual Scientologists.
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Check out this idiot!

Masturbating men ‘will find their hands pregnant in the afterlife,’ says Muslim televangelist​


After claiming that a man would meet his masturbating hand “pregnant in the afterlife” and “asking for its rights,” a Muslim televangelist has set Turkish social media aflame.

Self-styled televangelist Mücahid Cihad Han dived into some delicate matters on May 24 when he answered his viewers’ questions on private television station 2000 TV, Turkish media has reported. Han initially looked puzzled when a viewer said he “kept masturbating, although he was married, and even during the Umrah,” a pilgrimage to Mecca performed by Muslims which can be undertaken at any time of the year, in contrast to the Hajj.

After repeating the question a few times, Han claimed that Islam strictly prohibits masturbation as a “haram” (forbidden) act. “Moreover, one hadith states that those who have sexual intercourse with their hands will find their hands pregnant in the afterlife, complaining against them to God over its rights,” he said, referring to what he claimed to be a saying of Prophet Muhammad.

“If our viewer was single, I could recommend he marry, but what can I say now?” the televangelist added, advising the viewer to “resist Satan’s temptations.”
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Religion is no different to any other group with a common need, a belief is formed it requires heads to espouse the belief, then corruption, greed and self ordained oracles grow.:rolleyes:

If there is one group, who have taken from the poor, and given to god knows who.

Religion has to take the cake,
 
kennas said:
There's some strange things that religion makes people do.

Like praying, for example. :confused:

Then, there's some things that are good. Like providing shelter and food. (often free of charge, but usually you are persuaded to accept JC as the main man!)

Then, there are some really damn crazy things that religion can take some responsibility for. (the inquisition and suicide bombing comes to mind)

I think this is a bit crazy:



And, I have the feeling that this is just the tip of the iceburg for what people may uncover about:

religion gone crazy!! :eek:
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I have not read through the whole thread yet, just want to comment on the original post.

Religion is all in our heads, human beings are what that's messed up. Religion does not do good or bad, people do good or bad under the influence of other people.

Just my opinion. For lack of a better word, I am an atheist, but not because I don't believe there is a God, but because the evidence thus far isn't convincing.
 
MickStephens said:
Religion is all in our heads, human beings are what that's messed up. Religion does not do good or bad, people do good or bad under the influence of other people.

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People that have been indoctrinated to believe that a certain religious text is the word of god, can be lead by this belief to carry out very bad actions based on that text. In this situation the cause of the bad thing is the original religious text.



Just my opinion. For lack of a better word, I am an atheist, but not because I don't believe there is a God, but because the evidence thus far isn't convincing
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An atheist is a person who doesn't currently believe in any gods. So if you don't believe in a god, then atheist is the best term to describe your position.

Being an Atheist doesn't mean you are claiming to Know 100% that no gods exist, It just means you don't believe in any.

the most common position among atheists is the position of being a "Agnostic Atheist", which I think you might be.

An Agnostic Atheist is one that doesn't currently believe in any gods, But doesn't claim to know that no god exists.
 
I just have so many questions after reading:

Mücahid Cihad Han is a popular Muslim televangelist from Turkey. He recently warned followers that men who masturbate will be greeted by their “pregnant hand in the afterlife.

“One hadith states that those who have sexual intercourse with their hands will find their hands pregnant in the afterlife,” he cautioned.
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Value Collector said:
People that have been indoctrinated to believe that a certain religious text is the word of god, can be lead by this belief to carry out very bad actions based on that text. In this situation the cause of the bad thing is the original religious text.





An atheist is a person who doesn't currently believe in any gods. So if you don't believe in a god, then atheist is the best term to describe your position.

Being an Atheist doesn't mean you are claiming to Know 100% that no gods exist, It just means you don't believe in any.

the most common position among atheists is the position of being a "Agnostic Atheist", which I think you might be.

An Agnostic Atheist is one that doesn't currently believe in any gods, But doesn't claim to know that no god exists.
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I'm just wondering at the need to package people's behaviours into neatly packaged word based sect.

I can just see the conversation down the pub: "Do you believe in God?"......"Not necessarily I am actually an 'agnostic atheist' " ............ " Oh right, I think I just saw someone I have to catch up with over there in the far side of the room!" :D
 
Tisme said:
I'm just wondering at the need to package people's behaviours into neatly packaged word based sect.

I can just see the conversation down the pub: "Do you believe in God?"......"Not necessarily I am actually an 'agnostic atheist' " ............ " Oh right, I think I just saw someone I have to catch up with over there in the far side of the room!" :D
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I was clarifying the definition of a word.

First he said he was an atheist, but then he said "but not because I don't believe there is a God", I was pointing out, that not believing in a god is the only thing that makes you an atheist.

If some one says do you believe in a god and you answer "No", then you're an atheist, simple as that, there is no other word that better describes your position.

So at your hypothetical pub, If some said to me "Do you believe in a god" I would say "No, I am an atheist", That's the most clear answer to their question.

The term Agnostic would only be added to clarify my position if they wanted to extend the conversation by saying something like "So can you prove no god exists", I would say "No, I don't claim to Know that no gods exists, I am an agnostic atheist, which means I am happy to say I don't know if any gods exist, but I currently don't believe any do, and I will change my mind if presented with evidence for a god"

So by describing myself as an agnostic atheist, it makes my point clear that I don't believe any of the religious non sense, while also making it clear that I am not making a positive claim that no god exists and the burden of proof is on the party that believes to prove their claim, it's not up to me to debunk all the 1000's of gods.

People often think agnostic and atheist are exclusive terms, they are not, Agnostic describes your position on what you claim to know, Atheist describes your position on what you believe.
 
I guess people are questioning religion. Show me evidence of God. Just because my mum/dad/priest said it, it must be true.

In four large, nationally representative surveys (N = 11.2 million), American adolescents and emerging adults in the 2010s (Millennials) were significantly less religious than previous generations (Boomers, Generation X) at the same age. The data are from the Monitoring the Future studies of 12th graders (1976–2013), 8th and 10th graders (1991–2013), and the American Freshman survey of entering college students (1966–2014). Although the majority of adolescents and emerging adults are still religiously involved, twice as many 12th graders and college students, and 20%–40% more 8th and 10th graders, never attend religious services. Twice as many 12th graders and entering college students in the 2010s (vs. the 1960s–70s) give their religious affiliation as “none,” as do 40%–50% more 8th and 10th graders. Recent birth cohorts report less approval of religious organizations, are less likely to say that religion is important in their lives, report being less spiritual, and spend less time praying or meditating. Thus, declines in religious orientation reach beyond affiliation to religious participation and religiosity, suggesting a movement toward secularism among a growing minority. The declines are larger among girls, Whites, lower-SES individuals, and in the Northeastern U.S., very small among Blacks, and non-existent among political conservatives. Religious affiliation is lower in years with more income inequality, higher median family income, higher materialism, more positive self-views, and lower social support. Overall, these results suggest that the lower religious orientation of Millennials is due to time period or generation, and not to age.
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http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0121454
 
Should any on ASF wish to make a motza out of Religion and Gullibility, I will shortly be launching the "Church of Gumnut"

This will be a tax advantaged vehicle for believers in transcendence, god and spirituality

It will con vulnerable people with medium to high disposable income.

Please PM me, if you wish to become

Cardinal $500,000
Bishop $100,000
Pastor $ 50,000
Muppet $10,000

Praise be.

gg
 
Tisme said:
I'm just wondering at the need to package people's behaviours into neatly packaged word based sect.

I can just see the conversation down the pub: "Do you believe in God?"......"Not necessarily I am actually an 'agnostic atheist' " ............ " Oh right, I think I just saw someone I have to catch up with over there in the far side of the room!" :D
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If someone wants to have that kind of discussion with me in a Pub, I'm quite happy for them to find "someone over there" and leave me to enjoy my beer - and maybe a pub conversation about Footy or the global economy. And if he can't find "someone over there", I'm quite likely to point him in the direction where "I think someone tries to catch your attention over there" - which could be less hurtful to his feelings than telling him straight where to take his superstition.
 
Wow....


Jewish sect's ban on women drivers is 'completely unacceptable in modern Britain', says Nicky Morgan​

Education Secretary Nicky Morgan has labelled a Jewish community’s decision to ban women driving “completely unacceptable”.

Leaders of the north-west London Belz sect, part of an ultra-orthodox branch of Haredi Judaism, reportedly sent a letter telling parents their children would be prevented from attending school should their mothers’ drive.

The letter, seen by the Jewish Chronicle, claimed that female drivers were “contrary to the rules of religious modesty” and warned that from August children at the school in Stamford Hill would be turned away if their mothers violated the policy.

Ms Morgan, also minister for women and equalities, said of the notice: “This is completely unacceptable in modern Britain.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nicky-morgan-claims-ultraorthodox-jewish-communitys-decision-to-ban-female-drivers-is-completely-unacceptable-10286577.html
 
the whole idea of prosperity religon - faith in God will make you rich - has always disgusted me.

But I think Crflo Dollar Ministries have brought the televangelist crowd to a new time low

https://youtu.be/UIobdRNLNek

After much public outcry, the campaign was eventually halted, though that didn’t stop the church from making all kinds of excuses. They explained that the church needed the Gulfstream G650 so it could carry a dozen people plus 100,000 pounds of food. Clearly they didn’t do any research on the plane, because the Gulfstream G650 has virtually no cargo capacity.

Now it's the devil doesn't want Crflo Dollar to get that swanky new G650. The bolded sentences at the end of the statement sum it up nicely.

I never thought I'd asky myself the question, but what would Jesus do in this situation. Would he being flying aroud the world in one of the most luxurious private jets, or would he be travelling around in 10 abreast coach on the 777 rubbing shoulders with the unwashed masses?

$65M USD buys a whole lot of commercial flights, along with aid for those they're supposedly helping.

https://youtu.be/HcT7cKr3hCw

In a bit of a PR blitz CDM released the below statement

Dr. Creflo A Dollar is the founder, senior pastor and CEO of this organization. While he is the spiritual leader and the public face of CDM around the world, he is also the CEO of a global, multinational ministry corporation and, as such, reports to this Board like any other CEO. All significant projects, policy changes and financial expenditures, regardless of the circumstances, are presented to the Board and approved prior to implementation. A proper system of checks and balances is in place to insure the ministry’s dealings are beyond reproach. When Dr. Dollar steps forward to announce a ministry initiative, please make no mistake that it is actually an action of this Board.

Our community is centered on biblical principles directly from the Word of God. There is no area of the organization that does not base its foundational principles and operational guidelines on what the Bible has to say to us about God’s love and His grace. We understand that others may interpret biblical truths differently – the freedom to worship as one chooses is a fundamental hallmark of a free society – but wish to assert our God-given right to practice what we believe. This is our faith, the very basis for what we believe, and it is not necessary that we justify it.

It is our belief that this ministry is called to serve people globally – to literally change the world according to the Great Commission – and our infrastructure and operational plan reflect the worldwide nature of that assignment. Our pastors share the gospel of Jesus more than 300 times per year – in churches, arenas, venues, convention centers, stadiums and other facilities across the entire planet – and are committed to aggressive travel schedules that cannot be fulfilled via any means other than private aircraft. A long-range, high-speed, intercontinental jet aircraft is a tool that is necessary in order to fulfill the mission of the ministry. In light of an unfortunate accident that recently resulted in the ministry’s aircraft being declared a total loss, it is our intention to purchase another airplane at a time, place and price of our choosing.

The G650 appeal published on the creflodollarministries.org web site was directed to a specific community of like-minded people who love and support the ministry and its global missions work. There was not, nor will there be, a request for donations from the public at large, people outside that faith community or the members of local World Changers churches in Atlanta, New York and two dozen other locations. There are some 3 million donors in the ministry’s global databases, with tens of millions of others who are connected to the ministry through books, magazines, social media, missions outreach and a daily television broadcast that is translated into many languages and aired worldwide. There was no pressure of any kind applied to anyone, but rather an opportunity was presented to those in our community who may be inclined to participate and who stand to benefit from the global mobility of our ministry leaders. We fully acknowledge that the campaign video did not do a good job of communicating the request, and we apologize for any confusion it may have caused – it is in the process of being revamped and will be re-released when complete.

We wholeheartedly reject the notion that the ministry’s airplane project is an imposition on our community or that it somehow takes advantage of our people. Quite to the contrary, this request is seen by our community as standard operating procedure for people of faith. We believe that if our efforts are focused on building the Kingdom of God around the world, then it is His desire for us to see the desires of our hearts. We have funded numerous multi-million dollar projects this exact same way, including parking facilities, various church buildings, previous airplanes, our teen ministry headquarters and even our sanctuary, the World Dome. We seek out what we believe to be the will of God, we allow ourselves to dream BIG, we present our ‘family’ with an opportunity to ‘invest,’ and we all come together to turn those dreams into reality. We plan to acquire a Gulfstream G650 because it is the best, and it is a reflection of the level of excellence at which this organization chooses to operate. We, the World Changers family, so value the lives, the safety and the well-being of our pastors and leaders that we wish to provide to them the best air travel experience possible.
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