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Will try to post the graph,i have them per system, and i do have some closed systems inc mr Skate happy cat etc which brought profit in the mixI'm wondering if you have too many systems, or rather, too many factors that systems need to be able to cope with that are getting tested at the moment ?
The whole USD to AUD thing scares me, as it seemingly can get out of hand at a respectable pace at times.
One thing that scares me about systems, is, it would need to be a bloody good system for me to stick to it blindly.
The equity curve is the equity curve. It's honest. Its unbiased. Ideally, It should also fall within system expectancy parameters/ ranges.
One has to love those outlier blowups that push the curve above ranges, but also expect the reverse outliers.
If a system is consistently falling below expectancy, is there something in the rules to deal with it?
Got any charts of your systems growth Frog? If so, do they fall within your expected results ranges?
Giving back gains is not nice, especially when their hard won.
I feel for you there.
Chart below is self explanatory, and is my "loose" systematic discretionary portfolio based on Skate, Peter2 & Tech/a techniques & methods.
There are clearly periods of time (mostly last year) where i wasn't actively managing the portfolio as well as I could of.
Was preoccupied with family, work, a death etc etc etc, but to me, they (each PITA event) clearly show up in the chart.
I didn't have my mind in the game, wasn't following the flow. Not locking in profits etc. The bloody market nearly caught up!
Portfolio was started middle of August 2020, around 30 weeks.
View attachment 120969
Hopefully once this wave of rising bond yields gets sorted, we have some normalcy return, whatever that is these days.
The whole bigger picture of bonds, interest rates, yields, inflation etc etc confounds me, as I haven't managed to get my head around how it all works.
It really needs a big flow chart with all the affecting variables/ interconnecting links. It seems like the more I learn, the less i know....
Cheers, and have a good weekend Mr Frog.
Quick question @frugal.rock ,what do you use as Market? I use xnt to include div etcI'm wondering if you have too many systems, or rather, too many factors that systems need to be able to cope with that are getting tested at the moment ?
The whole USD to AUD thing scares me, as it seemingly can get out of hand at a respectable pace at times.
One thing that scares me about systems, is, it would need to be a bloody good system for me to stick to it blindly.
The equity curve is the equity curve. It's honest. Its unbiased. Ideally, It should also fall within system expectancy parameters/ ranges.
One has to love those outlier blowups that push the curve above ranges, but also expect the reverse outliers.
If a system is consistently falling below expectancy, is there something in the rules to deal with it?
Got any charts of your systems growth Frog? If so, do they fall within your expected results ranges?
Giving back gains is not nice, especially when their hard won.
I feel for you there.
Chart below is self explanatory, and is my "loose" systematic discretionary portfolio based on Skate, Peter2 & Tech/a techniques & methods.
There are clearly periods of time (mostly last year) where i wasn't actively managing the portfolio as well as I could of.
Was preoccupied with family, work, a death etc etc etc, but to me, they (each PITA event) clearly show up in the chart.
I didn't have my mind in the game, wasn't following the flow. Not locking in profits etc. The bloody market nearly caught up!
Portfolio was started middle of August 2020, around 30 weeks.
View attachment 120969
Hopefully once this wave of rising bond yields gets sorted, we have some normalcy return, whatever that is these days.
The whole bigger picture of bonds, interest rates, yields, inflation etc etc confounds me, as I haven't managed to get my head around how it all works.
It really needs a big flow chart with all the affecting variables/ interconnecting links. It seems like the more I learn, the less i know....
Cheers, and have a good weekend Mr Frog.
XAO or XKO (or individual sector for individual stock)Quick question @frugal.rock ,what do you use as Market? I use xnt to include div etc
Will try to do an equity curve for lot,( a bit of work due to cash injections) so that it does not twist the chartsXAO or XKO (or individual sector for individual stock)
I hadn't heard of XNT, probably a better job lot to use. Thanks.
Got somewhere for the volatility ASX after a very late night not the best condition to engage the new version with blurry eyes and foggy brain.will confirm tonigh.ok, now looking at volatility systems, which should have made a killing but failed lamely: pretty easy to see how it is going wrong, so let's try to fix this , in a simple way, and without destroying the part which went relatively well from may 2020 till nov 2020
If you don't mind sharing what was the process to get to this point? Sounds like it might have been profitable in the back test but didn't necessarily 'make sense' of why it made profit?ok, bite the bullet: the BO system is crap: not only with results..that can happen DD, etc
but checking entries after entries, it is not right, enter too late usually after the actual BO, and just getting the redraw..and exiting: a loss making factory.I can not see visually what it is supposed to achieve based on initial concept design
I will stop all entries there and slowly wind it up..a costly mistake...
so back to 2 volatility, one weekly & one daily trend qfduc and one guppy.
Back to the drawing board
ok, bite the bullet: the BO system is crap: not only with results..that can happen DD, etc
but checking entries after entries, it is not right, enter too late usually after the actual BO, and just getting the redraw..and exiting: a loss making factory.I can not see visually what it is supposed to achieve based on initial concept design
I will stop all entries there and slowly wind it up..a costly mistake...
so back to 2 volatility, one weekly & one daily trend qfduc and one guppy.
Back to the drawing board
I suspect i am partly responsible:If you don't mind sharing what was the process to get to this point? Sounds like it might have been profitable in the back test but didn't necessarily 'make sense' of why it made profit?
very quick forensic, as is the BO system should be profitable on the long term, but higher dd and in any case well below the performance of my other trend systems, while actually faring worse during these yoyo time.Sure it was a nice idea, but why should I even bother if there is no either diversification or performance advantage. My search for de-correlation/system diversification blinded me on this obvious fact.I suspect i am partly responsible:
1 initial development was tested properly and never too flash but profit making enough
I was keen to enter a..any..non trend system.
Then i tweaked it using probably non compatible exits ranking.and delayed the full review too long.
It was my last system pending review after the fall i got a month ago.
I could rerun the backtests again with my final system but basically not doing what it was supposed to do when checking signal on charts
I suspect that it is the wrong market environment for a BO system. A BO system is a real bull market system. The current market has moved from Bull to neutral, or even possibly a very early Bear. We won't really know until a little further down the track, but either way, now is time to play defence.
jog on
duc
Just a bit of friendly challenge. I don't know your system Mr frog, but over 1000 trades is the system broken or just the recent chop we are experiencing?very quick forensic, as is the BO system should be profitable on the long term, but higher dd and in any case well below the performance of my other trend systems, while actually faring worse during these yoyo time.Sure it was a nice idea, but why should I even bother if there is no either diversification or performance advantage. My search for de-correlation/system diversification blinded me on this obvious fact.
And with no clear trend break out are very susceptible to lash back;
This very morning one of my packets FLN was a nice proof of the yoyo behaviour
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huge paper gain at opening ending up in a lame loss
Anyway, this BO system is probably not worse even considering in other times
I will discard it and slowly sell the remaining packets
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