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wayneL said:
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"Intellectual scientific bandwagon". :xyxthumbs

I never thought it's possible to use that as an insult, but dam it, nothing's impossible after all.

I only know sketches of Marx's biography, but it's not as contemptible or hypocritical as that guy is saying.

Sure he didn't have a "proper" job to feed his family. Always at the library reading and criticising stuff.

So maybe DOCS would have given him a hard time... but maybe DOCS wouldn't be around if it weren't for his ideas.

Gotta to ask ourselves though... Why is it that a person with the intellectual capability such as Marx, whose parents were not poor, who have the opportunity to go to University, whose uncle was an industrialist establishing what became Phillips, whose wife was of noble blood... didn't have a cushy job, live in poverty, have to watch a few of his children die from illness because he couldn't afford to pay for their medical care.

Maybe a typical absent-minded professor.
 
luutzu said:
"Intellectual scientific bandwagon". :xyxthumbs

I never thought it's possible to use that as an insult, but dam it, nothing's impossible after all.

I only know sketches of Marx's biography, but it's not as contemptible or hypocritical as that guy is saying.

Sure he didn't have a "proper" job to feed his family. Always at the library reading and criticising stuff.

So maybe DOCS would have given him a hard time... but maybe DOCS wouldn't be around if it weren't for his ideas.

Gotta to ask ourselves though... Why is it that a person with the intellectual capability such as Marx, whose parents were not poor, who have the opportunity to go to University, whose uncle was an industrialist establishing what became Phillips, whose wife was of noble blood... didn't have a cushy job, live in poverty, have to watch a few of his children die from illness because he couldn't afford to pay for their medical care.

Maybe a typical absent-minded professor.
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Van Gogh even more so (total destitute) but his work almost out of this world. Again a family of comfortable means.
 
explod said:
Van Gogh even more so (total destitute) but his work almost out of this world. Again a family of comfortable means.
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Don't know much about Van Gogh. Great paintings though.

Society always seem to admire people with money, simply because they have money. Quite sad and absurd. But that's probably because I don't have much so yea :D
 
luutzu said:
What consequences? Soviets and other commies and their atrocities?

That'd be like blaming Adam Smith for the slave trade and modern day capitalism.
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I think you need to read up on Marx and desist in using disconnects to prove a preconceived idea.

Marx looked at humans in economic terms and he disapproved of Faustian behaviour, especially e.g. toward women ... something Stalin and Smith could be proven to accept.
 
Tisme said:
I think you need to read up on Marx and desist in using disconnects to prove a preconceived idea.

Marx looked at humans in economic terms and he disapproved of Faustian behaviour, especially e.g. toward women ... something Stalin and Smith could be proven to accept.
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Subscribed to this American professor who've been teaching Marx's Capital since the 70s.

Managed 1 hour out of 50 so far :D

But still, no disciple ever follow the teachings of their prophet as originally intended anyway. Not saying that they all should, just that they don't and so the blame or praise can't be put at the person's feet because someone else claimed to be following them.
 
SirRumpole said:
Do you classify yourself as a postmodernist ?

I looked it up on Wiki, and the reference was mainly to art, but apparently it also has a political significance.
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Art is prone to imitating life and vice versa
 
SirRumpole said:
Is this postmodernism ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-...-down-down-by-rockhampton-council-qld/9858924
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Someone hard at work wordsmithing that article. The place used to be and probably still is wall to wall POMs who like to be by the seaside.

More than 7 per cent of Rockhampton's population is Indigenous and there is also a large Aboriginal Shire Council 170 kilometres out of town at Woorabinda.

After New Zealand and England, the most common birthplaces of local residents born overseas are the Philippines, India and Vietnam.

An hour after Ms McQuire complained, the Council deleted the video from its Twitter account and downloaded links sent to the media of the video also stopped working.

Breaking it down:

7% indigenous is a hard ask and given most "noongars" are also white I'd say you would be hard pressed to find any truly indigenous

170km away is not Rockingham

54.4% of people were born in Australia, England 15.3%, New Zealand 4.9%, Scotland 2.4%, Philippines 1.7% and South Africa 1.0%.

 
Rockingham population 14,428
Rockingham population with at least some indigenous traces left 262 (there's some Torres straighters in that figure).
 
SirRumpole said:
Do you classify yourself as a postmodernist ?

I looked it up on Wiki, and the reference was mainly to art, but apparently it also has a political significance.
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Our friend Jordan Peterson 'splains.

 
luutzu said:
"Intellectual scientific bandwagon". :xyxthumbs

I never thought it's possible to use that as an insult, but dam it, nothing's impossible after all.
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Nuance is important in English, Grasshopper. "Bandwagon" being the clue ;)
 
wayneL said:
Nuance is important in English, Grasshopper. "Bandwagon" being the clue ;)
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The context was.... Oh, it was the fad during Marx's time to get all "scientific" and "intellectual" about evolution, economics, the wealth of nations and stuff. And there's this fat dude who's no good with money, poor as, decided to jump on that bandwagon and intellectualised about Capitalism as if he know anything about it.

Basically putting him down right?

My reading is a bit better than my writing Sifu. :D

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That lecturer I was telling you about... apparently Marx's first volume would take 12, 1.5 hour weekly lectures to go through. The second volume another 12 weeks semester.

On top of that, you'd need to be well read on all kind of works - from literature, to poetry, to treatises by the likes of Adam Smith etc. etc. - to truly appreciate what he was on about.

I mean, the guy would transcribed chunks of works by Adam Smith and methodically analyse and commentate on it.

No wonder hardly anyone read the stuff.


btw, from the first intro... one thing Marx got right about Capitalists is that if they're left alone, they'll obviously lower wages and exploit labourers. Which would benefit them, the capitalists, at first. But then the plebs who don't earn enough won't be able to buy anything, thus destroying what benefits there were from the gutting of wages.

Sounds obvious once it's pointed out I guess.

Seems out modern capitalists got around that by forcing other markets to open... that and plenty of debt.

That can't go on forever right?
 
Macquack said:
It must just be me, I can't tolerate Peterson's whiny voice. He makes simple concepts way to complicated and he likes the sound of his own voice. I don't need to listen to another whinging old man when I can just talk to myself.
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Politics is being over analysed these days. Too many people with their own theories trying to make a buck out of books, tv appearances and web sites. The brains get scrambled trying to make sense out of it all.

No doubt there are people that hang on every word Peterson or their favourite theorists say, but in the end commonsense should win over hyped up social/political theory.
 

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