Postmodernism, Marxism & PC, modern ideological poison

[Tisme]

 

[SirRumpole]

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If that is getting sick of whining minorities, I'm in.

 

[wayneL]

I guess I find the postmodern approach deeply ironical and even hypocritical.

It critiques the modernists as phallogocentric(sp?), racist, inter alia; thus indulging in a form of tribalism. They may have had a point originally as our culture strove to create more equal "opportunity".

Therefore, In my view there have been some positives.

But it has now gone way past that with the zeal for identity politics, creating division and a new type if tribalism based on sex/gender, sexual proclivity, race (ironically), politics and .

It has created a more toxic tribalism, complicated by intersectionality and the poisonous doctrine of equality of "outcome", vis a vis, de facto Marxism.

Most curiously, while touting tolerance as some sort of Holy grail, it has become the epitome of intolerance, striking at the very foundation of western liberal culture, free speech, interchange of ideas, discussion, debate and democracy.

In so doing, it is guaranteeing the reactionary rise of its equally toxic opposite, true fascism, which in favt we are starting to see now.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

One of the problems I find in discussing this topic is, the level of understanding of the topic and the ability to see and listen to another's viewpoint in a genuine attempt to learn, of some posters.

It is not for one punch posting drunks.

I'd suggest those with little knowledge of Dr. Jordan B. Peterson to look at some of his youtube videos, as otherwise they will be making proper muppets of themselves.

Without wishing to sound threatening I shall mercilessly satirise and squelch any such muppet who enters the conversation, with asinine comments, without doing some reading.

I am willing to argue with people that Peterson may be wrong, but I do not believe so.

I abhor post-modernism and marxism.

gg

 

[wayneL]

One of the problems I find in discussing this topic is, the level of understanding of the topic and the ability to see and listen to another's viewpoint in a genuine attempt to learn, of some posters.

It is not for one punch posting drunks.

I'd suggest those with little knowledge of Dr. Jordan B. Peterson to look at some of his youtube videos, as otherwise they will be making proper muppets of themselves.

Without wishing to sound threatening I shall mercilessly satirise and squelch any such muppet who enters the conversation, with asinine comments, without doing some reading.

I am willing to argue with people that Peterson may be wrong, but I do not believe so.

I abhor post-modernism and marxism.

gg

Indeed.

I have a lot of respect for thinkers, whether on the left, or the right, **so long as there is goodwill in the discussion.**

In that, I can find points of agreement with most, and points of disagreement with most... and some points so abstract and subjective where there is seemingly no possibility of even reasonable dialogue.

Peterson is rare in that I find him almost totally in tune with what I think like (minus the towering IQ ). Even when I cringe, it is over something I cringe at myself over, but admire his cajones in his stating it.

Most of all I admire his principled stand on c16, which virally brought him to the rest of us. It has enabled a deeper examination of the man, his principles and moral steadfastness as a role model... especially for those who really need that, ie, those most maligned or ignored by the current toxicity.

I am absolutely a fan.

 

[Tink]

Most of all I admire his principled stand on c16, which virally brought him to the rest of us. It has enabled a deeper examination of the man, his principles and moral steadfastness as a role model... especially for those who really need that, ie, those most maligned or ignored by the current toxicity.

I agree

https://jordanbpeterson.com/

 

[Junior]

I listened to a long interview with Jordan Peterson on Joe Rogan's podcast. I liked a lot of his views.

 

[wayneL]

Jordan is in Oz at the moment; he has been interviewed 3 times by the abc and once by Macquarie network that I know of.

I was struck by the contrast between the styles of the ozzies and the north americans/brits.

We should give ourselves a pat on the back for the fair hearing he has been given here... The Ridler interview was an absolute cracker.

Compare with the rabid and pathological attack doggery of Cathy Newman.

Agree or disagree, it is great to have sensible journalism "mostly" in this country.

 

[basilio]

Two views from The Guardian on Jordan Peterson

Not all he says is defensible, but Jordan Peterson deserves to be taken seriously

Gareth Hutchens
Peterson has found an enthusiastic audience in Australia, so it’s worth understanding how he has tapped into that.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ordan-peterson-deserves-to-be-taken-seriously

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How dangerous is Jordan B Peterson, the rightwing professor who 'hit a hornets' nest'?
Since his confrontation with Cathy Newman, the Canadian academic’s book has become a bestseller. But his arguments are riddled with ‘pseudo-facts’ and conspiracy theories

https://www.theguardian.com/science...he-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

 

[wayneL]

Hahahsha the Guardian!!!

It took you a while to find a hit piece bas.

Need we go any further than the Gaurdians description of JP as "right wing"?

He is a classical liberal, notionally slightly left of center and is equally critical of both rhe extremes of the right and the left.

Yours, and the Grauniads credibility straight down the shyte chute right there.

Did you actually see the shambolic and embarrassing Newman interview? JP fracking pwned her lol.

 

[bellenuit]

Two views from The Guardian on Jordan Peterson

Not all he says is defensible, but Jordan Peterson deserves to be taken seriously

Gareth Hutchens
Peterson has found an enthusiastic audience in Australia, so it’s worth understanding how he has tapped into that.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ordan-peterson-deserves-to-be-taken-seriously

____________________
How dangerous is Jordan B Peterson, the rightwing professor who 'hit a hornets' nest'?
Since his confrontation with Cathy Newman, the Canadian academic’s book has become a bestseller. But his arguments are riddled with ‘pseudo-facts’ and conspiracy theories

https://www.theguardian.com/science...he-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest

That’s at least the third time that The Guardian has introduced an article on him by referring to him as right wing. This is quite typical of the left and is intended to prejudice the minds of its readers prior to they reading him.

 

[basilio]

Funny, I thought there were two separate articles I tabled for interest. Did anyone read them for content rather than just the few lines I printed ?

 

[Tisme]

Funny, I thought there were two separate articles I tabled for interest. Did anyone read them for content rather than just the few lines I printed ?

I'm not sure the Scott family intended its media to be hijacked into a self confessed biased leftie rag.

 

[moXJO]

I'd be hard pressed using the Guardian to wipe my rear with. Just rename it "Hive Mind Daily"

 

[moXJO]

Funny, I thought there were two separate articles I tabled for interest. Did anyone read them for content rather than just the few lines I printed ?

They both lead with negative leaning headlines, so the readers can put their biased pants on.

 

[Tisme]

I'd be hard pressed using the Guardian to wipe my rear with. Just rename it "Hive Mind Daily"

Yeah, crabs in a barrel... no one rises above the rest.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Funny, I thought there were two separate articles I tabled for interest. Did anyone read them for content rather than just the few lines I printed ?

Thanks basilio, I had read both those Grauniad articles before you posted them.

I believe they contribute to the debate on postmodernism and it's place in our universities and academia.

They acknowledge the power of JBP's arguments and the force behind them. Naturally they are afraid that their worldview entrenched in the Humanities of Universities will be toppled by his appearance on the stage of the culture wars and those who will follow him.

Free debate does not bother me.

If he manages to convince governments and private donors to stop funding university courses with the word " Studies " in them ( Womens, Queer, LGBTXYZ, One-Legged, Bald, One-Balled, Black, White e.g ) , I for one will be happy. Very happy.

Contrary discourse makes for a better world. From memory one of his chapters states that one should listen carefully to opponents, as there may be something useful in what they say.

gg

 

[wayneL]

Inneresting

 

[SirRumpole]

OK, so is banning people from speaking at universities because they might "upset" some people, an example of post modernism, or is it something that post modernists will object to ?

I'm still not clear if PM <=> PC or PM <=> Alt Right.

 

[wayneL]

OK, so is banning people from speaking at universities because they might "upset" some people, an example of post modernism, or is it something that post modernists will object to ?

I'm still not clear if PM <=> PC or PM <=> Alt Right.

Your going to have to clarify that one Horace.