Value Collector
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The difference is:
With debt there is a promise to repay that debt.
With equity there is only a duty to do the best you can with other people's money.
Equity.
While it is not be this simple, to summarise: This difference between the two is important in that equity losses generally only effects the single investors in that stock. Potentially banks loan assets through margin lending but banks are cautious enough here to close large positions out in this area.
Loan assets.
When a loan asset (bank asset) is destroyed through liquidation of the borrower it requires the bank to cover the position through raising further capital or reining in deposit liabilities and loan assets shrinking both sides of the banks balance sheet to maintain the capital requirement it requires to operate as a bank. 10bn loss in bank capital roughly equates to 100bn less deposit liabilities allowed.
This the effects asset prices and hurts other banks balance sheets and then we enter the potential spiral of doom we came close to in 2008.
I am far from certain there is going to be a lack of funding for business in 2016 due to Shrinking balance sheets especially considering I have been mostly cash since early 2015. I have got it wrong to date.
That said less wrong than I have been with my godfreys ( ) .
I am just not comfortable with where this heads when a few major oil companies go broke. They all have loads of debt and this is what worries me so far as the market more generally is concerned. Not destruction of equity but destruction of banks loan assets.
While this will sound absurd: that bhp has seen 10s of billions of dollars equity wiped due to its fall from grace doesn't hurt Woolworths shares directly. However If 10s of billions of working capital (what stands in place to balance deposit liabilities at banks when loan assets are destroyed) was was wiped from commbanks balance sheet, Australia including woolworths would be in more trouble than Flash Gordon. This is why I posted in this oil thread at first instance. The reference to CommBank above.
btw Woolworths is only a reference to a broader market stock that of course has no special relationship with oil stocks if that isn't clear from my post.
Finally what people I move with find most perverse about my view on this is that I am considering again hitting oil producers hard with my smsf.
As I see it if oil stays where it is or moves lower oil stocks along with most of the market will be hit pretty hard. Oil worse sure but; if oil moves up only oil stocks will rally hard.
I see only limited upside for the time being in stocks (broad world economies) except oddly enough oil stocks (oil economies) assuming oil price moves positive.
My point is that at the time of capital allocation, ie when the investment is being made, the investment is expected to generate enough cashflow to return the initial investment to the investor, whether that be a debt investor or an equity investor.
Offcourse if you are using debt to buy assets, the life of the debt should match the life of the assets or be very long term debt if assets are long term.
Debt in the form of bonds etc can be a permanent part of a companies capital make up, it's just another level of investment really, equity investment suits some people, bond investment suits others, there is no problem with a company taking on some bond holders as part of their capital structure, yes bonds all expire at some point in time, but you can migrate risk by spreading out maturities, and having multiple options for handling the maturity.
Anyone, I am not trying to have a conversation about debt vs equity, just pointing out that when allocating capital the point of making an investment is that the asset should generate enough cashflow to pay back both debt and equity holders, and the debt holders have the equity holders capital as a buffers, if the assets can't earn enough to pay back the equity and debt, well you made a bad investment.