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In the medium to longer term at least, I'm thinking that the only way is up.

In recent years if you look at production then for the world as a whole but excluding the US and Canada it was flat at best despite the high prices. So it was really only the US and Canada that were growing.

Now we've got a huge slump in US drilling that is already resulting in production declines, various reports suggest that production is now 0.3 - 0.5 million barrels per day below the recent peak and falling fast. Shale wells rapidly deplete, so you have to keep drilling in order to keep production up, but drilling has collapsed as the price has fallen.

For Canada it has been the tar sands projects leading to growth. But they're coming to a halt for new development since costs are high and at the present price it's just not a goer.

Then there's Shell pulling out of Arctic exploration.

Also I wonder if the VW emissions scandal will have an effect on future sales of diesel passenger cars generally? VW itself was a leader in that market but it's plausible that other brands may also see a shift away from diesel. Trouble is, petrol engines are almost always less efficient than diesel, especially when compared to VW's artificially efficient engines (one upside of the high emissions was reduced fuel consumption).

So overall it's demand rising, production falling, and a possible additional source of future demand if there's a shift away from diesel and back to petrol.

What about the Saidis etc? Well if they and everyone else is already pumping flat out then they can't easily increase production like they did in the past. Today, the Saudis are basically sitting just below their all time peak output which suggest they probably don't have too much, if anything, that could be added without spending $$$ to do so.

Anything could happen to the oil price in the short term, it could well go lower from here, but I don't see how the current price can be sustained if it's leading to falling production and rising consumption. At some point it goes up surely? When and how high - that's the hard part.

The big wildcard would be if the global economy really fell in a heap and kills demand.

Just my thoughts. Plenty of sources online relating to the situation with US shale drilling and the more recent production falls.:2twocents
 
In the medium to longer term at least, I'm thinking that the only way is up.

In recent years if you look at production then for the world as a whole but excluding the US and Canada it was flat at best despite the high prices. So it was really only the US and Canada that were growing.

Now we've got a huge slump in US drilling that is already resulting in production declines, various reports suggest that production is now 0.3 - 0.5 million barrels per day below the recent peak and falling fast. Shale wells rapidly deplete, so you have to keep drilling in order to keep production up, but drilling has collapsed as the price has fallen.

For Canada it has been the tar sands projects leading to growth. But they're coming to a halt for new development since costs are high and at the present price it's just not a goer.

Then there's Shell pulling out of Arctic exploration.

Also I wonder if the VW emissions scandal will have an effect on future sales of diesel passenger cars generally? VW itself was a leader in that market but it's plausible that other brands may also see a shift away from diesel. Trouble is, petrol engines are almost always less efficient than diesel, especially when compared to VW's artificially efficient engines (one upside of the high emissions was reduced fuel consumption).

So overall it's demand rising, production falling, and a possible additional source of future demand if there's a shift away from diesel and back to petrol.

What about the Saidis etc? Well if they and everyone else is already pumping flat out then they can't easily increase production like they did in the past. Today, the Saudis are basically sitting just below their all time peak output which suggest they probably don't have too much, if anything, that could be added without spending $$$ to do so.

Anything could happen to the oil price in the short term, it could well go lower from here, but I don't see how the current price can be sustained if it's leading to falling production and rising consumption. At some point it goes up surely? When and how high - that's the hard part.

The big wildcard would be if the global economy really fell in a heap and kills demand.

Just my thoughts. Plenty of sources online relating to the situation with US shale drilling and the more recent production falls.:2twocents

The US is using its old tactic back in the late 80s - telling Saudis to pump more, flood the market and collapse Russia's economy.

This time round Putin thought... let's join in the fight in Syria. Protect our sphere of influence and see how war and conflict drive demand for the black gold.
 
WTI Crude Oil finally confirmed the expected overshooting of the 50 level after the strong closing last night that aborted the previous days’ negative day reversal. Expect an extension toward the 100 days line at 51,30 but the real attraction is in our view the 200 days line at 54,50!!
The indicators of the daily chart are still well positive for now but also still showing potential negative reversals; nevertheless favour an overshooting of the present move up. The indicators of the s/t charts are also positive with bearish divergences even in the 4h chart still supporting a positive tone.
The move above 50 has again resumed the target at 54,85. I Try therefore to remain long with the stop still at 47,65! In case of an hourly closing above 51, move the stop to 49,45.
 
WTI Crude Oil confirmed a weak closing last night again below the low of the previous session suggesting we have again a s/t top in place. Further weakness is probable suggesting at least a retest of the 55 days line at 45,59!!
The indicators of the daily chart are however still well positive for now but those of the s/t charts turned instead below the line supporting lower levels. Fresh bullish divergences in the hourly chart support a negative tone. A possible return toward the 200 hours line at 47,71 is therefore corrective and a selling opportunity.
I stay on the sideline; I avoided a long position as suggested just because the hourly RSI plunged to 28% before rebounding!
 
Is there some reason anybody knows that explains why contango for WTI is high in the Nov/Dec forward? It is pretty flat Oct/Nov.
 
Did Oil finish drip down?

From my last post:
a technical perspective, an impulsive decline back beneath 46 support is required for bears to take control This would bring $42.70-43.20 into consideration, with it having been a key level of support throughout September. We shouldn’t forget that last week’s strong performance in WTI means this could just be a retracement., the trend line is not yet confirmed spite that, it would complete the reversal of last week’s gains and offer more support for the view that the bulls are being out muscled once again by the bears.
personally my thoughts are that we are going to see 52-53 area again if 46 level will hold
update for today:
we witness high vol and Quantum Price if the usdcad will.....
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Crude oil per 26.11 (overview)

Hi folks

it's very similar that 40 USD is psychological level of support. Price is second time rebound from it. Looking for buying from 40,7-41,75.

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https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1921&p=892717&viewfull=1#post892717

Chinese communist Party , which, believe it or not, is a surplussed producer of oil, they export more than they import and hence has a vested interest in keeping oil prices high enough not to be losing too much money, has decided The Chinese people should pay a tariff to cover Party interests.
Nothing new about that.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-16/china-has-something-to-tell-opec-oil-prices-have-fallen-too-far
What is interesting is that it is the third big gun in as many days deciding that it is the end of the oil price fall.
Time to cover and buy for a short term spike.
 
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1921&p=892717&viewfull=1#post892717

Chinese communist Party , which, believe it or not, is a surplussed producer of oil, they export more than they import and hence has a vested interest in keeping oil prices high enough not to be losing too much money, has decided The Chinese people should pay a tariff to cover Party interests.
Nothing new about that.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-16/china-has-something-to-tell-opec-oil-prices-have-fallen-too-far
What is interesting is that it is the third big gun in as many days deciding that it is the end of the oil price fall.
Time to cover and buy for a short term spike.

I forgot to add that -
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/news/2015/12/10/china/chinese-car-sales-spike-november
 
Big probs for US shalers/frackers at this level.....
not only US, think about the aussie oil and gas industry here with all these loans in USD..
and the banks worldwide with the billions/trillion? invested in projects and assets now bleeding daily..
and ultimately to the peons like you and I if these now junk bonds collapse...the sparks may not be the fed raising the rates, but the oil price collapse for our next GFC
 
A heads up for energy traders, CL and other energy contracts could catch a nice bid tomorrow as events over the weekend in the middle east could spark a short covering rally. The recent sharp declines would have trapped a decent supply of shorts, they could be screaming to hit the exits in low liquidity once CL opens in the morning, especially if the market gaps high enough.
 
A heads up for energy traders, CL and other energy contracts could catch a nice bid tomorrow as events over the weekend in the middle east could spark a short covering rally. The recent sharp declines would have trapped a decent supply of shorts, they could be screaming to hit the exits in low liquidity once CL opens in the morning, especially if the market gaps high enough.

Nice call!
 
Nice call!

Not allot of follow thru but some good size resting bids getting hit. Might see some more activity in the EU session, especially if there is more rhetoric between Iran and S.Arabia...
 
Not allot of follow thru but some good size resting bids getting hit. Might see some more activity in the EU session, especially if there is more rhetoric between Iran and S.Arabia...

The energy equities took their sweet time to get rolling
 
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