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I think that is Smurfs point, higher prices = lower consumption. ?
The theory is interesting, but does not explain why, when the US has had its highest ever gasoline prices, inventories have been declining - substantially.Well thats how the capitalist system works,... Higher prices is supposed to encourage lower consumption, either that or we have to start rationing like back in WW2.
But lower consumption won't mean a price drop because as soon as the price drops then consumption will increase again and forcethe price up again.
My point is simply about the physical flow of oil.Ummm
I am confused.
Consumption remains high as inventories are dwindling.
The option to me is "higher prices".
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Statistics vary but the world is extracting about 31 billion barrels each year and doesn't seem to have the capacity to extract much, if any, more than this. It doesn't matter how much is in the ground, what alternative technogies we have etc. The installed production capacity and actual production are 31 billion barrels per year.
And we have a few billion barrels in above ground storage. Hard data is very hard to get on this one, but I'd guess that we couldn't take much more than 2 billion barrels from storage before serious problems arose. It's just not practical to have every tank virtually empty, every car running with 2 litres left in the tank and so on.
So, 31 billion barrels of production and 2 billion barrels sitting in storage.
Simple math now... Over the next 12 months there is no way, at any price, the world can use more than 31 + 2 = 33 billion barrels. $130 a barrel, $50 a barrel or $1 million a barrel doesn't make any difference - we're limited to the actual rate of production plus what we have in storage. We're not going to build 10 billion barrels p.a. of new production overnight no matter what oil fields are discovered and what the price is - it just doesn't happen that quickly (and if we're at peak then it's not going to happen at all).
So we seem to be using more than we're extracting. No matter how much is actually in storage, it will run dry eventually if we keep doing that.
It's like saying someone earns $31,000 per annum. No matter how much they have in the bank (ignoring interest since oil in a tank doesn't grow by itself), they can't sustainably spend more than they earn. If they spend $32,000 this year, $33,000 next year and so on then sooner or later the bank acount will be empty. And from that point on their spending must be no higher than their income which isn't increasing. (Don't say borrow - oil can't be borrowed into existance).
Same with anything. Water in a dam, water in a tank, food in the cupboard and so on. You have some in storage, a rate of inflow and a rate of consumption. If your rate of consumption exceeds inflow then at some point the storage will be empty and from then on your consumption can't exceed inflows.
Price is simply the means of matching supply and demand. Sure, price will probably head to the moon to reduce consumption to match production. But the key point in physical (not financial) terms is that ultimately consumption just can not exceed production in the long term. If we're at peak oil and consumption is higher than production then it means at some point consumption must reduce to the level of production - there's just no other option.
I'm talking globally here of course. One individual or one country can outbid another and maintain their consumption. But as a planet that doesn't work.
nearly 100% of Australias enthanol production comes from waste.
The malandra group who are Australias largest producer of enthanol use waste from there flour mills,... CSR are also a producer and use the by product from there sugar mill as a feed stock for the ethanol plant.
LOL
since when have the last two ever mattered to a trader??
If they did coal & oil would be worthless. But last time I checked they were going alright.
The theory is interesting, but does not explain why, when the US has had its highest ever gasoline prices, inventories have been declining - substantially.
Inventories will generally increase if consumption falls by the wayside.
As the opposite has occurred, is it telling us that not only is consumption decreasing, but supply is decreasing at a faster pace!
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Not just shipping delays, but maybe also the extortionate costs of landing oil: http://www.marsoft.com/high_tanker.htmThe official US line is that inventories have decreased due to shipping delays.
Oil is really one of the most non elastic resources when it comes to supply and demand pressures, but the priciple is still the same.
So let's summarise:
The recent surge in tanker rates has most likely been brought on by a combination of strong market fundamentals and special factors such as floating storage.
Not just shipping delays, but maybe also the extortionate costs of landing oil: http://www.marsoft.com/high_tanker.htm
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What seriously worries me with this situation is that we've already done the low impact changes to cut oil consumption (eg moving away from oil heating and oil-fired power generation) and now we're doing the moderate impact ones - cancelling flights and delaying trucks.I mean when bananas doubled in price I stopped eating bananas, but if you double the price of fuel I will still have to purchase some fuel, fuel consumption will be reduced but not stopped completely, we have seen this already with qantas canceling routes, alot more use of buses in sydney, and I can bet alot of the people who like to show pony there V8's are making alot less trips round the block these days, and on thursday a parcel of mine was late from the courier when asked why he said that the truck from brisbane was delayed 24 hours because it was not full enough to pay for the fuel so they delayed it till the next night
What seriously worries me with this situation is that we've already done the low impact changes to cut oil consumption (eg moving away from oil heating and oil-fired power generation) and now we're doing the moderate impact ones - cancelling flights and delaying trucks.
But the oil consumption and price are clearly still trending UP despite all of this. That means we're headed straight for the high impact ways of limiting demand - car bans, rationing, recession and so on. The easy options just aren't having enough effect.
I will go as far as to argue that most places are a lot LESS able to implement a cut in oil consumption now than was the case in the 70's. The so-called "post-industrial" economy doesn't work well with public transport and it guzzles oil in every possible way for things that were unthinkable only 3 decades ago.
I take your point that we can use less in the long term, but I really doubt that Joe Average with a Falcon, Commodore or whatever will be scrapping a perfectly good car that may still be under warranty. By scrapping I mean crushing / landfill or at least wrecking and not simply selling it as a working vehicle. I just don't see how we're going to afford to do that.Australias most popular cars: Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore.
The V6 versions burn 10 to 11 L/100km
V8's burn about 14L/100km
Honda Civic for example burns 7 L/100km
Honda Jazz burns 6 L/100km
I think there is still a lot that people in Australia can do to reduce their rate of energy consumption in a short time frame...
Ive always said retrofitting existing vehicles is the solution, maybe even with Gov subsidies similar to the LPG sub ?
And lo n behold I find a Sydney company that is now retrofitting Cars with Electric engines !
http://bev.com.au/
http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/We’re even more sure that global central banks are either unable or unwilling to take steps that might lead to a lower oil price. Hiking rates would slash global economic growth, and inevitably lead to lower oil demand. And there’s also the fact that the oil price””like all commodity prices””is closely correlated with money supply growth.
Cut the growth in broad money supply and you knock at least one leg out from commodity prices.
I'd argue that replacing millions of vehicles is somewhat more difficult than converting a far smaller number of power stations and factories to coal or gas or building replacements.
Holden need to make a smaller 4cyl version of the commodore!
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