NSW Election 2023

[Craton]

Interesting the independents aren't keen on pokies reform.

The two independents refusing to back Perrottet’s pokies reform

Phil Donato and Roy Butler are not joining other independent MPs to support cashless gaming, saying the NSW government is moving too fast.

www.smh.com.au

I'm not keen on it either in fact, if playing the pokies involves only the use of a digital wallet then I'll never play the pokies again. For me the very tactile nature of "feeding" money in and then gambling, is the very essence of what gambling is.
To have it hidden away by just transfering numbers from one machine to another doesn't appeal to me one iota.

IMHO. Using money laudering as an excuse to impliment the cashless pokie is a furphy. A very big furphy trying to hide Big Brother's ever prying eyes and fingers in every pie of our lives.

So what about the gg's, the trots and the dogs going digital too?
What about 2up?
No doubt the cashless pokie is a litmus test for all forms of gambling and you know what, a new kind of gambling speakeasies will evolve.

 

[SirRumpole]

To have it hidden away by just transfering numbers from one machine to another doesn't appeal to me one iota.

I'd suggest that is the very reason that cashless pokies are being tried, ie to put people off.

 

[SirRumpole]

Polling suggests change of government in NSW.

NSW government headed for election defeat: Report

A second opinion poll within days has pointed to defeat for the NSW government at the March election. The Resolve Strategic poll published in the Sydney

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[sptrawler]

A full house of Labor, would be great for Australia IMO.
At least it wont be more of the same, I'm fed up with every one and their dog bitching about how bad things are. Lol

 

[wayneL]

A full house of Labor, would be great for Australia IMO.
At least it wont be more of the same, I'm fed up with every one and their dog bitching about how bad things are. Lol

Yep, grey uniforms for all.

 

[mullokintyre]

There has been a persistent political meme about how the conservatives have a problem with women.
there will always be supporters of either side who completely agree or decry this sentiment depending on their bent.
So it seems incredulous that the NSW liberal party add a bit more ammunition to those who say that they have major problems with women.
Enter peter Poulos. One of those party hacks who has risen through the ranks by using whatever means were at his disposal to climb the greasy pole of party politics.
He has never faced the electorate, instead having been parachuted into the cushy upper seat following the resignation of John Ajaka in 2021.
It has now been revealed that during the bitter preselection battle to claim the upper house seat endorsement, he sent explicit pictures of a female aspirant in another hotly contested seat to other MP's. and Liberal members.
The photos were of a centrefold shoot done in the 1980s.
This was not the actions of a young scatterbrained young liberal hacker, but a 40 year old bloke who could only do something like that out of malice, as the lady in question was from the hard right.
But he will not be disendorsed, he has the support of that other slimey little snake, Matt Kean, having been one of his staffers.
The NSW premier has stood by him, suggesting we all make mistakes.
Yes we do, just ask Gladys.
So its goodbye Lib/Nats, you have reached your use by date, and it is to be hoped there is a complete rout so that the whole bunch can be cleaned out.
Mick

 

[SirRumpole]

The photos were of a centrefold shoot done in the 1980s.

Well, she put her body on the (centre) line . She obviously wanted publicity at the time and must have known that it might come back to her sometime.

Obviously this Poulos person is no gentleman and people are entitled to mark him down for what he did, but it's not all down to him.

 

[mullokintyre]

Well, she put her body on the (centre) line . She obviously wanted publicity at the time and must have known that it might come back to her sometime.

Obviously this Poulos person is no gentleman and people are entitled to mark him down for what he did, but it's not all down to him.

It was nearly 40 years ago when she did the centrefold cos she needed the money, something that the elite members of the liberal apparatus would have little knowledge or understanding of, but then these days you are responsible for everything you did and said in your youth.
Mick

 

[SirRumpole]

It was nearly 40 years ago when she did the centrefold cos she needed the money, something that the elite members of the liberal apparatus would have little knowledge or understanding of, but then these days you are responsible for everything you did and said in your youth.
Mick

If it wasn't Poulos it would have been some guttersnipe in the media who would have made it public.

Unfortunate but there it is. So did the lady in question get elected ?

 

[mullokintyre]

If it wasn't Poulos it would have been some guttersnipe in the media who would have made it public.

Unfortunate but there it is. So did the lady in question get elected ?

Yes she did, no one is naming her, but she is Robyn prston who gained preselection for and subsequently elected to Hawkesbury.
Mick
Edited to add This link where all the sordid details including her name, are displayed.

 

[Knobby22]

Yes she did, no one is naming her, but she is Robyn prston who gained preselection for and subsequently elected to Hawkesbury.
Mick
Edited to add This link where all the sordid details including her name, are displayed.

Actually it adds to her standing. Shows she has a wider experience and makes her more real.

As for the guy it shows a lack of empathy.
Morrison did something similar to get his seat.
Libs should maybe contemplate this.

 

[Smurf1976]

It was nearly 40 years ago when she did the centrefold cos she needed the money, something that the elite members of the liberal apparatus would have little knowledge or understanding of, but then these days you are responsible for everything you did and said in your youth.
Mick

I'll simply observe that the whole thing shows a society that's lost the plot.

It would've been considered old fashioned and embarrassingly conservative to have a problem with that sort of thing 25 years ago. To be raising it as an issue in 2023 is really quite remarkable and not in a good way.

Suffice to say I see no problem with the topless photos. What I do see as a very real problem is the admission of being religious. That, not the photo, is the problem in my view.

If consenting adults wish to engage in religion behind closed doors, with absolutely no children anywhere near the place, then in a free society it's their right to do so. It ought be nowhere near parliament however.

 

[mullokintyre]

If consenting adults wish to engage in religion behind closed doors, with absolutely no children anywhere near the place, then in a free society it's their right to do so. It ought be nowhere near parliament however.

So are you suggesting that people who belong to a religion or hold religious views should be disallowed to stand for parliament?
Mick

 

[SirRumpole]

So are you suggesting that people who belong to a religion or hold religious views should be disallowed to stand for parliament?
Mick

That would be undemocratic but at least the public should know what they actually stand for before we elect them, and whether their religion is more important to them than representing their constituency.

 

[mullokintyre]

That would be undemocratic but at least the public should know what they actually stand for before we elect them, and whether their religion is more important to them than representing their constituency.

Well, based on that principal, none of the First Nations people would be allowed stand, and probably rule out muslims, and Collingwood AFL supporters.
Mick

 

[SirRumpole]

Well, based on that principal, none of the First Nations people would be allowed stand, and probably rule out muslims, and Collingwood AFL supporters.
Mick

I certainly would support banning Collingwood AFL supporters.

But seriously , we need more people in Parliament that can analyse facts and evidence and use those to make their decisions rather than relying on ancient texts.

 

[wayneL]

I'll simply observe that the whole thing shows a society that's lost the plot.

It would've been considered old fashioned and embarrassingly conservative to have a problem with that sort of thing 25 years ago. To be raising it as an issue in 2023 is really quite remarkable and not in a good way.

Suffice to say I see no problem with the topless photos. What I do see as a very real problem is the admission of being religious. That, not the photo, is the problem in my view.

If consenting adults wish to engage in religion behind closed doors, with absolutely no children anywhere near the place, then in a free society it's their right to do so. It ought be nowhere near parliament however.

Your worst take ever IMO and nowhere close to your usual objectivity.

The thing is, every ideologue/politician has a subjective belief system based on incorrect or incomplete information, ipso facto a religion "of sorts".

Marxism through to capitalism, religion, transgenderism, feminism, atheism, catastrophism, climate change alarmism, nativism, anticolonialism(so called), white self loathing.... I could go on and on.

There is nothing whatever wrong with admitting your beliefs as a Pollie... In fact I wish more would. We'd probably learn that we have more than a few satanists, MAP, etc

 

[SirRumpole]

Your worst take ever IMO and nowhere close to your usual objectivity.

The thing is, every ideologue/politician has a subjective belief system based on incorrect or incomplete information, ipso facto a religion "of sorts".

Marxism through to capitalism, religion, transgenderism, feminism, atheism, catastrophism, climate change alarmism, nativism, anticolonialism(so called), white self loathing.... I could go on and on.

There is nothing whatever wrong with admitting your beliefs as a Pollie... In fact I wish more would. We'd probably learn that we have more than a few satanists, MAP, etc

Yes I'm afraid ideology of all sorts has led to the mess we are now In.

As I said, we need more pragnatism in government and less Party politics

If we want to ban anyone from government it should be members of political parties.

 

[Smurf1976]

So are you suggesting that people who belong to a religion or hold religious views should be disallowed to stand for parliament?
Mick

Not banned no.

It is in my view definitely not a virtue however.

Without meaning to offend those with religious beliefs I’ll simply say that I see religions as being much like the WEF.

Undemocratic institutions seeking to exert control over the population for their own ends. That’s their track record - preaching how others ought live and trying to force compliance.

The rest of us have a right to freedom from religion. It has every right to exist, people have every right to believe in it and to attend churches, but it deserves no special privileges in society.

Democratically elected governments running society, not self-appointed bodies, is what I’m in favour of.

If a politician is religious then so be it. If their background includes being photographed nude then so be it. Neither are problems in themselves and neither are virtues.

 

[mullokintyre]

Not banned no.

It is in my view definitely not a virtue however.

Without meaning to offend those with religious beliefs I’ll simply say that I see religions as being much like the WEF.

Undemocratic institutions seeking to exert control over the population for their own ends. That’s their track record - preaching how others ought live and trying to force compliance.

The rest of us have a right to freedom from religion. It has every right to exist, people have every right to believe in it and to attend churches, but it deserves no special privileges in society.

Democratically elected governments running society, not self-appointed bodies, is what I’m in favour of.

If a politician is religious then so be it. If their background includes being photographed nude then so be it. Neither are problems in themselves and neither are virtues.

I regard people who believe in deities, spirits, after life etc as lacking in intellectual rigour and basic logic.
But I will defend their right to hold those beliefs, despite my lack of regard for them.
The institutions that promote religions and places of worship are a different matter all together.
They may or may not do some good, but they have certainly done some evil things.
I think you are mixing up the believers and the institutions.
Mick
Mick