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OK, there seems to be a lot to discuss here regarding the use of using bars cut up by volume or range as opposed to time. I don’t think we have scratched the surface, but nevertheless, onwards.
What about cutting up the volume according to different measures?
The title of this thread is “new analysis technologies”, so can I introduce another new one (well, it was to me)?
The first chart attached to this post has volume posted below it, but volume presented in 3 ways. The bars are constant volume, in this case each bar is formed from the trading of 4,000 contracts. It is a quick-forming bar, and is of value for short-term trading. The first chart is a blow-up to explain the components of volume.
Now, because it is a constant volume bar, the volume for each price bar is the same, in this case 4,000.
The volume bar labelled “1”, and coloured the darker of the green, shows the amount of volume that traded at the offer price over the course of the bar forming. In the case of the bar labelled with the “1” this is about 3,200.
What is meant by trading at the offer is this is 3,200 contracts over the course of the bar where the buyers were “impatient” enough to jump in to buy at whatever the sellers were asking. I would refer to this as “aggressive” buying.
By implication, 800 contracts (4,000 minus 3,200) were bought by more patient buyers who had their bid hit. Also by implication, 800 contracts were sold by sellers impatient enough to sell at the bid (aggressive sellers), and also again by implication, 3,200 contracts were sold by sellers sitting patiently on the offer.
Anyone with an interest in VSA might be sitting up a little straighter in their chairs at this stage – in electronic markets the ability exists to see what the buyers and sellers are doing within each bar (at each price actually) in real time. The implications are not linear – “more aggressive buyers therefore I will buy too” is not necessarily a profitable tactic – but certainly they are interesting?
The lighter, or brighter colour green, labelled “2” in the first chart is the “aggressive” buying done by buyers trading 100 or more contracts in one hit – big, aggressive buyers. (Now, this needs to be monitored carefully, what if one buyer pays the offer for 150 contracts at one go, but the sellers are made up of a 20, 15, 25, 80, 5 and 5, I don’t know if this is reported as one trade of 150 or 6 trades of the amounts I detailed, I would love to hear more info on this).
The hollow red is the aggressive sellers, those sellers trading in hits of 100 or more. This is labelled “3”.
Of course these definitions of 100 or more are my definitions, you can choose whatever you wish. By the way, this stuff exists in many different softwares, I am not pushing any particular one.
OK, is this information of value, and if so how can you use this information? Well, that’s for you to answer, not for me to say. I am using it, but still haven’t settled on the one true approach (for me). Hence this thread, feedback appreciated.
Second chart attached shows the first 2 hours of regular trading hours of a 4000 volume constant bar chart, with volumes cut up as described.
Here's a start:I must admit I wasn't aware of any software that could do this (volume bars).
it is when it doesn't behave in concert with the price that its usefulness expands....
The central core I believe.
As examples
(1) Aggressive buyers/Sellers little/no increase in range (Either buying or selling climax)
(2) Increase in range no aggressive buyers or sellers ( look for a slowing/stop to the move)
Should be incorporated in Tradeguider.
I'll have a chat.
The Constant Volume chart I have heard referred to as a "momentum" chart, or "Momentum bars"
Momentum bars Document Type and Number:United States Patent 20040030623 http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20040030623.html
Abstract:An improved method and system for displaying financial information using a computer is disclosed. A technical analyst chooses a user defined range of data to study and displays the user defined range of data comprising indicia of four transaction prices along a y-axis. The display of the user defined range of data changes only when a transaction price appears outside the user defined range of data. The x-axis comprises a time independent variable in order to discount price distribution patterns that evidence little change, systematize patterns that reveal large changes, and display patterns in a simplified visual summary that reveal when the market is in genuine distribution and development.
Trading Tip:
Momentum Bars
by Howard Arrington
Two articles in the Stocks, Futures & Options magazine (www.sfomag.com) introduced a new charting concept. The first article was 'Paradigm Shift Lights the Way to Momentum Bars' by Desmond MacRae, SFO Feb 2003. The follow-up article was 'Momentum Bars: The Sequel ...' by Desmond MacRae, SFO Apr 2003. These articles describe a charting concept developed by Danton Long called Momentum Bars.
Momentum Bars are basically constant range bars. The bars look like standard chart bars with an open, high, low, close and volume. The high-low range of each bar is constant. A new bar does not start until a price tick is received that would exceed the fixed range of the current bar. Momentum Bar charts have the following characteristics:
Each bar is the same height because the range is constant.
The close of a bar is always at the high or low of the bar.
The open of a bar is always one tick below or above the close of the preceding bar.
The time period covered by each bar varies.
All gaps are filled with inserted 'phantom' bars.
I don't have much knowledge of this kind of tech analysis, other than my own observations from my study of economics.
THE BASICS OF COBWEB THEORY
Three tenets of cobweb theory need to be understood. First,
there is the idea of “anchoring,” which means that expectations
of future prices are heavily influenced by recent extreme
prices. Because of the uncertainty about future price direction,
price estimation is based on overconservative assessments of
how they are likely to change with time. Often, it is simply
assumed that recent extreme price levels represent
levels obtainable in the future.
(So this is Support and Resistance )
The second idea is that there are both
efficient and inefficient sources of a given
commodity.
( Strong and Weak hands , eg impossible to buy from a strong hand, easy to buy off a weak hand )
This second tenet of (linear) cobweb theory is that
supply curves will have a linear price/quantity-supplied variation,
with price increasing as quantity increases. ( only way to get strong hands to sell )
The third and final idea is that the lower the price of
something, the more of it will be sold.
( Best way to get weak hands to sell )
When a trading opportunity is presented to a group of traders, Those who accept are on average less smart
At any time the final winning bid often exceeds true value
Comparing the two charts will show similarities and differences. The most important similarity is they both show where the support and resistance forms. This is critical, IMO, and raises the question of what value then does a constant volume bar chart add? Good question I think.
Differences - no volume histogram on the 5000V chart - each candle is the same volume. There are more bars on the 5000V chart for any time period - this is a function of the activity in the market, in a contract or equity with less volume there could be more 3-minute (or whatever time period) bars formed than 5000V bars.
The most valuable feature of Figure Charts, however, is their
horizontal formations,
It is in these horizontal formations, or congestion areas that we find the greatest aid
For example the figure chart may show many fluctuations on the
full figures, while the verticals are unchanged. For these reasons it is vital to keep both forms of
charts.
(a) in determining how
far a stock should go; (b) when it meets opposition, viz., when it
has about reached the end of its move; and with the help of the
vertical chart (c) determining the trend, and (d) when a stock is on
the springboard.
show price movements have a structure irrespective of time frame ,motorway
and with the help of the
vertical chart (c) determining the trend, and (d) when a stock is on
the springboard.
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