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Re. PHG, I had a brief look at this a couple of months ago, and from what I can recall now they operated a lot of smaller sized hospitals, many in regional areas (except one new and larger one in the Gold Coast I think), with generally lower bed occupancy and utilisation, each small hospital was also planned to have it's own general manager, and some of their general surgical focused hospitals were not doing as well due to many cases in these regional areas being day cases and being more suited to day procedure units with bigger operations being better suited to larger and better resourced hospitals in general (I think this line of thinking may have shifted their focus to day surgeries from what I can remember reading). Although the same tailwinds are present as per other private hospital operators, I didn't feel they had the same potential and scale benefits as RHC or HSO. I got lucky and bought into HSO at the absolute low point on listing of $2.09 (listing price was $2.10 I think) so I decided to add to this rather than add PHG. Though it's not inconceivable that they could be gobbled up by a larger operator like RHC or HSO down the track.
Don't know much about PHG.... and granted that we may have different time-frames and investing methods you may not be interested in the questions I would ask, but here they are:
How reliant on their operations is their relationship / contracts with private health insurers? (For instance, HSO & RHC derive a very large proportion of their revenue & competitive positions from their strong bargaining power over the insurers - ie. they own infrastructure in key areas). What contracts are already in place?
How essential is their infrastructure? Where are the nearest competing hospitals? Do the private health insurers give their clients a choice of other alternatives?
What potential is there for their key staff (surgeons / doctors) to bargain higher wages and cause margin pressure? It is often said that doctors want to work for the places with the best facilities etc. This is especially relevant in regional areas. See next question as they are related to an extent.
What is the capex profile like going-forward? Is it lumpy or fairly smooth? How accurate do you think their depreciation calculations are? How does capex (or depreciation) / revenue (or OCF) compare to HSO / RHC?
What is the break-even occupancy level for their beds? I think I read it was 40%. What is the average occupancy level over the longer-term? How would this react to further brownfield expansion?
As you have already mentioned legislation is a risk, and always will be, but you may also want to consider the risk of litigation and how this would effect the company (especially if they have limited facilities vs the bigger players). Hospitals can be sued for negligence if they take on patients and operate in areas outside of their specialisation / capabilities (sounds like a no-brainer, but you would be surprised what can happen).
I find that in light of the Medibank Private IPO there is an interesting dynamic between the private hospital operators and private health insurers... they are both pushing for margin expansion, but they cannot both win at the same time.
Bought CGR, 5909 @ $0.22
A quick, thoughtless buy on my part. They meet my statistical filter and have been on my watchlist for a while. I saw a very good update from them yesterday, decided to get in, then do some more research later.
On a quick scan, sounds like an interesting little business!
This came up in an end of week scan for me. I know nothing about this mob. Is there any reason for the lumpy jump in revenue in their result? Have they been working on a big contract (that may only be short or medium term)?
Hi trathlete,Introduction
CML Group Limited (CGR, formerly Careers Multilist Limited) is a franchised business operating in recruitment industry, payroll management and migration services. CGR operates in Australia and has over 52 recruitment franchise. Services offered by CGR include, payroll solutions, financial services and employment related services.
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The price is very modest considering their growth plan. I do not think it factors in neither the benefits of scale that will come in, nor the reduction in cost of capital in the future. A 0.5% reduction in interest will have a very large effect on their current profit.
Sold my parcel of SBB for $0.059, at a loss of $292 (24%).
Will be interesting to see how it plays out, its a good one to chalk down to experience anyway. I think trying to price these sort of speccy investments is quite a challenge.
Sometimes I think we are all guilty of letting the potential blind us to the consequence of the risk.
I remember my dad always used to say, "dont worry about the risk of something happening, work out whether you can live with the consequence if it happens." It applies to buying shares as much as drug trafficking.
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