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MFG - Magellan Financial Group

This has been a fascinating thread to reread. I have to give credit to @kahuna1 who posted in April 2020, "Avoid". Soon after, others also mentioned their misgivings for MFG.

I'm going to admit that I've bought a small starting position of MFG in a large cap portfolio. I bought after reading about the CEO medical leave and the rehiring of two people that were there at the start of MFG's good years. The press and sentiment seems to be very positive about these appointments. MFG will need this positive sentiment to keep existing investors and attract new ones. I also think that MFG should reduce their mgt fees now that the "Ego" has left.
 
The way I see it, is that India is a number of years behind China in the growth of the economy. A lot of the work they do is still manual labour as opposed to mechanisation of the labour force. This impedes the growth of the country as a whole. When the country begins to lift itself (as china has in the last 30 years) more money becomes available and Australia being on good political terms as well as having a large Indian population just has to benefit from their growth, be it food, agricultural product, mined products, more education and anything else we can supply.
I have an over simplified idea of it all, but that how it looks to me. I just have to think back to before China got the 2008 Olympic games and the price of copper. Since then, a lot of what i have thought about was who would be next. I think india will be
It's very interesting to read this, as the comments stimulate a memory. Magellan started hitting the fund-raising circuit, presenting to planners and institutions before the GFC and I attended several events when the Fund was just starting out. The overwhelming theme, even in 2006/07 and especially afterwards when urbanisation was accelerating and China kicked in with its massive spend, was how there was a shift in imports, and a shift in consumption in the country. The inflection point was a GDP of US5,000 or equivalent. In those years, this was all that Douglass hammered on about. And yes he had not yet farmed out the task to a minion. It was a persuasive argument. But somehow, when China did pass that point, and win/ win was what they were all talking about, the mandate shifted. By the mid 2010's, it was an infatuation with tech and the growth stories coming out of digital transformation. Also, the flow of funds into the Global Fund made Magellan a different beast, which needed to buy in deeper markets.

And the diversity of approaches; unlisted managed fund, mFund, ASX listed fund, Hedged, unhedged, concentrated, etc. Lots of ways to allocate the $100billion under management, no wonder they lost their way.



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But whether India and/ or Vietnam will replicate what China did? I'm not so sure. It has already been done.
 
Embattled fund manager Magellan’s funds under management have declined by almost $10 billion to $77.2 billion since its last update on February 11, when it said it had $87.2 billion of funds under management.
From the AFR.

So this little piglet has lost 12% or so of FUM in 2 weeks.

And it is still being recommended by brokers.

OK ...

gg
 
Latest update from the AFR.com . MFG losing more funds and losing more market cap.

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This has been a fascinating thread to reread. I have to give credit to @kahuna1 who posted in April 2020, "Avoid". Soon after, others also mentioned their misgivings for MFG.

I'm going to admit that I've bought a small starting position of MFG in a large cap portfolio. I bought after reading about the CEO medical leave and the rehiring of two people that were there at the start of MFG's good years. The press and sentiment seems to be very positive about these appointments. MFG will need this positive sentiment to keep existing investors and attract new ones. I also think that MFG should reduce their mgt fees now that the "Ego" has left.

Yes. I dodge a bullet from this one. I thought very hard about buying in during March and & June 2020, the finance gods must have been watching over me, because something in my head kept ringing alarm bells.
 
I should disclose that I no longer hold MFG. I did buy after the CEO took leave and decided to grab the quick profit as the overall market was looking a bit weak. MFG is no longer a trading candidate. It would require a massive reversal. I think the reversal would be a possibility if MFG decreased their fees. Mgt egos are not likely to do this. They still believe their performance is worth their fees when they're clearly not.

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I should disclose that I no longer hold MFG. I did buy after the CEO took leave and decided to grab the quick profit as the overall market was looking a bit weak. MFG is no longer a trading candidate. It would require a massive reversal. I think the reversal would be a possibility if MFG decreased their fees. Mgt egos are not likely to do this. They still believe their performance is worth their fees when they're clearly not.

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No epitaph can be written on the unfortunate premature demise of MFG. I feel sad for the investors who trusted such organisations only to see the promoters played the dirty game. DNH
 
Well this outfit continues to making a goodly attempt at doing the dough of investors according to the Age, a newspaper of record.


There do seem to have been a few too many Hamishes around the MFG Board table so having Mr. Hamish Douglass ( Henceforth to be known in this post as KarmaH to distinguish him from all t'other ones with Scottish Grandfathers ) resign would lessen any shades of uncertainty at meetings when questions are raised.

Meanwhile Magellan now have to explain why having KarmaH absent from any role in MFG does not give rise to bigger questions as KarmaH's Zenlike connection with the future direction of markets was touted as MFG's main point of difference from other Fund Managers and Financial Groups.

At least KarmaH is still a major shareholder, although some meditation may be occurring in that oompah land.

Perhaps he may buy more on market.

Perhaps he might ...

MFG is only, I like that word only, down 4.3% today.

Anyway, the Yoga mats are out here at the Hotel and it is time for some stretches.

gg
 
Well this outfit continues to making a goodly attempt at doing the dough of investors according to the Age, a newspaper of record.


There do seem to have been a few too many Hamishes around the MFG Board table so having Mr. Hamish Douglass ( Henceforth to be known in this post as KarmaH to distinguish him from all t'other ones with Scottish Grandfathers ) resign would lessen any shades of uncertainty at meetings when questions are raised.

Meanwhile Magellan now have to explain why having KarmaH absent from any role in MFG does not give rise to bigger questions as KarmaH's Zenlike connection with the future direction of markets was touted as MFG's main point of difference from other Fund Managers and Financial Groups.

At least KarmaH is still a major shareholder, although some meditation may be occurring in that oompah land.

Perhaps he may buy more on market.

Perhaps he might ...

MFG is only, I like that word only, down 4.3% today.

Anyway, the Yoga mats are out here at the Hotel and it is time for some stretches.

gg
While doing Yoga, you may get some company as MFG is yet to cross the lowest point of the year.

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will keep an eye on this , just in case an attractive price appears

but will also be watching PTM ( i hold ) in case there is contagion

YES , i think funds will slowly leak out of both fund managements ( it's a tough market and investors will be nervous )

be careful

BTW i note MFG will drop out of the ASX 100 index while PTM leaves the ASX 200 in the middle of this month
 

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will keep an eye on this , just in case an attractive price appears

but will also be watching PTM ( i hold ) in case there is contagion

YES , i think funds will slowly leak out of both fund managements ( it's a tough market and investors will be nervous )

be careful

BTW i note MFG will drop out of the ASX 100 index while PTM leaves the ASX 200 in the middle of this month
Did you get the bull's eye today or still aiming for tomorrow :)
BTW, I was interested to see what the techys are saying and got this. If the below is right then we are aiming to visit Brazil to watch Latino dance

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no waiting and lurking , there is still plenty be nervous about in international securities , it would be easy to blame the fund managers , but there are other forces at work as well ,
 
I haven't looked for any news but if MFG doesn't immediately bounce back today (day following the selloff to new lows) then it's a dead duck. International markets have stopped falling. They may continue falling or not. MFG should be trading steady like the markets so long as MFG investors are comfortable with MFG management. Fund flows are a lagging report while the price movement reflects the current sentiment.

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Well, having held MGF since 2014 it was doing well up until 2019 and now I think is the worst time to dump it.
If i have reaped the benefits until and tolerated down fall, I will take opportunity exit at an opportune time.
Please check our Guru @peter2 's commentary and hear from other scholars of this forum . We are not a ramping forum, so make your decision listening and doing your own analysis, to optimise lossor profit depending on entry price.
I entered in the past when mfg was low and probably exited with marginal gain (?)
 
If i have reaped the benefits until and tolerated down fall, I will take opportunity exit at an opportune time.
Please check our Guru @peter2 's commentary and hear from other scholars of this forum . We are not a ramping forum, so make your decision listening and doing your own analysis, to optimise lossor profit depending on entry price.
I entered in the past when mfg was low and probably exited with marginal gain (?)
Yes I read his yesterday's comments on MFG and others, and that got me thinking.
I'm already down over 20% on MFG but if I were to sell all of my Magellan holdings I would make a tiny cap gain (not counting divs over the years).
 
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