Liberal or Labor

[Bobby]

Bullmarket
Here's a teaser for you.
Do you know why the Qld Labor government has so many women MP's?
The answer can be derived from your reply to Mista200.

This will be interesting.
Will bull get it ? :sheep:

Bob.

 

[emma]

I lived for many years in a safe Labor seat, then moved to a marginal. Since the move, before elections I've been polled, rung by the AFR (as a small business owner), rung by both sides' electoral staff etc. This unused to attention has been an interesting insight to how party politics works.

I would suggest that politicians as a random group exhibit the same behavours as any other, but get more exposure. So no matter who we vote for, the same mix of human virtures and failings will be trying to do a job for which they really don't have any training.

I prefer a parlimentary mix of a small majority (perhaps with a few independants) and a hostile senate. I know that people suggest this doesn't allow the government to get on with its "agenda" but I like them to be on their toes all the time.

 

[Prospector]

I prefer a parlimentary mix of a small majority (perhaps with a few independants) and a hostile senate. I know that people suggest this doesn't allow the government to get on with its "agenda" but I like them to be on their toes all the time.

A recent SA election has meant an overwhelming majority for Labor in the Lower house (radio calls the Premier King Rann) and a very hostile Senate because of the large number of independents.

We have an independent by the name of Nick Zenophon who in the previous election, both Labor and Liberal gave him their preferences so he got in. He stirs so much, the Public (us) love him because he will take on any cause for the underdog (his initial platform was 'no-pokies') and you just know that if you are getting the raw deal you can go to Nick and he will help. The media love him because he is always doing these stunts. For instance, when the MP's voted themselves to be able to buy really cheap cars, Nick set up a ride-on train set on the steps of Parliament, sat on it and went around in circles! He called it the gravy train for Pollies!

The first time Parliament met after the election (last week) King Rann told the Upper House to behave themselves. Red rag methinks - watch this space.

 

[mista200]

Being apathetic is cool!

Not many of my friends give a F#$% about politics either!
In fact a friend of mine evaded the system for about 30 years until they tracked him down and forced him to enrol!!!

But shouldnt us traders vote for whoever is willing to reduce capital gains tax?

At the end of the day....

Liberal - capitalism- better for business
labor- unions- bad for business

 

[Strw23]

But shouldnt us traders vote for whoever is willing to reduce capital gains tax?

At the end of the day....

Liberal - capitalism- better for business
labor- unions- bad for business

This is a very narrow minded view.

1. As a trader you are not affected by capital gains tax, its income tax.

2. We are all people and there is more to be concerned about than just taxes. Theres hospitals, education, roads, foreign policy etc etc.

As far as I am concerened someone who does not vote or donkey votes should never be alowed to complain that they dont like the way things are being run, but they are normally the first to do so.

Scott

 

[mista200]

hmmm well its all politics to me there is no difference really between the two main parties.

Im concerned about income tax and capital gains tax. And i should have said investors instead of traders but yeah at the end of the day its this simple....

The more money the government takes from us, the less freedoms we have. The government spends money on crap i couldnt give a s#$% about anyway.

How about this cut taxes and make this a user pays society

 

[twojacks28]

you cant make it a pay per use for everything and without taxes then we would have no roads hospitals etc. now what good would that do to the economy mista

 

[Julia]

hmmm well its all politics to me there is no difference really between the two main parties.

Im concerned about income tax and capital gains tax. And i should have said investors instead of traders but yeah at the end of the day its this simple....

The more money the government takes from us, the less freedoms we have. The government spends money on crap i couldnt give a s#$% about anyway.

How about this cut taxes and make this a user pays society

Good lord, mista. I only hope your views are a reflection of the arrogance of youth and that as you (hopefully) mature a little you'll come to realise the stupidity of such over-simplifications.

Julia

 

[Julia]

The latest poll results today show Kim Beazley as less preferred to lead the Labor Party than Julia Gillard (most preferred) and Kevin Rudd (next preferred)_.
In the "preferred for Prime Minister" category he came behind John Howard, Peter Costello, Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd, yet he apparently shrugged off the results with the comment that he "wasn't interested in fighting Peter Costello at the next election" he would "prefer to take the fight up to John Howard and win".


???
Julia

 

[emma]

Mista, I think you should enlighten us, in a little more depth, as to how your user pay society would work and how it would be organised.

 

[RodC]

hmmm well its all politics to me there is no difference really between the two main parties.

Im concerned about income tax and capital gains tax. And i should have said investors instead of traders but yeah at the end of the day its this simple....

The more money the government takes from us, the less freedoms we have. The government spends money on crap i couldnt give a s#$% about anyway.

How about this cut taxes and make this a user pays society

If you're concerned about taxes, then you should be expressing these concerns to your elected representatives. However as you've chosen not be involved in the basics of the political process (voting) they would be quite within their rights to ignore you.

As Scott said, you've effectively forfeited your right to complain.

Rod.

 

[rederob]

As Scott said, you've effectively forfeited your right to complain.
Rod.

Don't worry Rod.
He'll be getting a letter from the Electoral Commission shortly, if he really does have a voting entitlement.
(Computers are great for catching out people nowadays.)

 

[Prospector]

I have always thought it wasnt compulsory to enrol, even if you get that letter. It is only compulsory to vote if you are registered on the roll

 

[bullmarket]

Hi blondy

I have always thought it wasnt compulsory to enrol, even if you get that letter. It is only compulsory to vote if you are registered on the roll

I think you'll find that a quick phone call or email to the AEC or a visit to their website will confirm that enrolment is compulsory after you reach voting age.

cheers

bullmarket

 

[twojacks28]

yes it is compulsary to enrol but they still sned you a form when you turn seventeen which you have to fill in.

 

[wayneL]

I think you'll find that a quick phone call or email to the AEC or a visit to their website will confirm that enrolment is compulsory after you reach voting age.

We are the only western country to have compulsory voting. (that I am aware of) This means that I am forced to deliver a mandate to those whom I am vehemently opposed. This is a breach of both natural justice and civil rights.

As far as I am concerened someone who does not vote or donkey votes should never be alowed to complain that they dont like the way things are being run

I don't buy that... not even for a millisecond. I have several (perhaps overly idealistic) requirements for any political party that I vote for. None of the current batch of orwellian criminals, cabalists or just general nongs, even come remotely close to my ideal.

Why should I be legally required to participate and perhaps expadite (in my very limited capacity as one person) a process in which the victor will claim a mandate to impliment policies I fundamentally and vociferously oppose.

That's totalitarian!!!

If then it is viewed that I forgoe my right to critisize, then I am afraid that you are falling victim to propaganda, and expiditing the process of ushering in fascist totalitarian state. I maintain my rights of free speech and refusing to vote (even if I must donkey vote) AND critising the state is encompassed within that right.

This attitude is akin to removing the rights of a spectator at a footy match to critisize an obviously biased and corrupt umpire, just because he/she is not a player... it's absurd.

Cheers

 

[bullmarket]

Hi wayne

I can see what you are saying but I firmly believe that compulsory voting is better overall.

But even with compulsory voting you still have the option to vote informal if you choose. But at least by making everyone turn up to a voting booth then hopefully at least some of the voters who would not be there if they had the choice might reconsider and put in a genuine vote since they are there anyway and hence you then end up with an election result which is more representative of the electorate's wishes.

If you have voluntary voting you obviously then encourage anarchy and apathy to some extent but worse still you could end up like the US, where voting is voluntary, and end up with a leader like George Bush

At the end of the day someone still has to run the country.

Therefore, compulsory voting could be seen as the lesser of two evils imo

cheers

bullmarket

 

[wayneL]

... you could end up like the US, where voting is voluntary, and end up with a leader like George Bush [/B]

IMO we do. The only difference is that Johnny can actually construct a sentence in the english language ad lib.

It must be remembered though, that our "leaders" are not actually our leaders. They are just the roadshow to distract the plebs.

 

[bullmarket]

ok wayne

I'm going to use the.......let's agree to disagree.............out-clause as there is no more chance that you will change my view than there is of me changing yours.

cheers

bullmarket

 

[mista200]

Yes its compulsory to enrol.. but that doesnt mean they really care or look for people who havent enrolled. I have a friend who evaded the system for 30 years. + i know many people, usually young poor people that really couldnt care less about filling in papers and havent done so. I have been eligable to enrol for 7 years but i havent got any letter in the mail yet...........

Voting should no way be forced upon us. Why should we be forced to vote for someone when we dont see anyone worth voting for!

Although i think that if voting wasnt compulsory liberals woild always get in! Since most of the bums that couldnt be bothered voting would tend to lean towards labor.

And dont be silly people ill explain how the user pays society works when i get more time to write a reply!