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[twojacks28]

not true many of those countries have lots of resources including oil except with iraq it had been a long problem which needed resolving. australia doesnt have the forces to help everyone. one step at a time.

 

[Bobby]

Seeing as it going all of topic now, I'll ask this question :

Do you think the West should stop Iran from their nuclear ambitions ?.

Bob.

 

[twojacks28]

lets keep it on topic bobby. but yes i do they will kill us all i hope im wrong

 

[rederob]

Seeing as it going all of topic now, I'll ask this question :

Do you think the West should stop Iran from their nuclear ambitions ?.

Bob.

They say their nuclear ambitions are ONLY in relation to generating electric power.
Now Bush never believed Saddam, and was wrong, and Saddam was not a nice a chap, so Bush really was right.
In that context, Bush can't go wrong, can he!

 

[Bobby]

They say their nuclear ambitions are ONLY in relation to generating electric power.
Now Bush never believed Saddam, and was wrong, and Saddam was not a nice a chap, so Bush really was right.
In that context, Bush can't go wrong, can he!

But old chap what do you think should be done regarding Iran ?.
Its ok to state your opinion.

Bob.

 

[rederob]

But old chap what do you think should be done regarding Iran ?.
Its ok to state your opinion.

Bob.

Bob
I think if we (ie US) does anything about Iran our share market will go gangbusters.
We need to do things in many other countries before even thinking of Iran: Try Myanmar, North Korea, Sudan or Zimbabwe - different issues, but real problems. In any case I would put China so far ahead of Iran as a threat that Iran is not even on the scales.
A sense of proportion goes a long way.
Remember the only nation that ever used the "bomb" in warfare was the US - against a hapless Japan on its last legs (it's an instructive read to discover what the key military decision makers thought at the time and in retrospect about what they did).
I am not sure what Iran would do with a "bomb" as they could never threaten the UK, US or Australia unless they have access to ICBMs, which they do not.
The phrase "sabre rattling" comes to mind: Iran is rattling and the US is rattled!

 

[Bobby]

Rederob,

You stated that they ( Iran ) don't have any ICBMs, so what?.
Nuclear bombs can be made the size of a suitcase & be delivered in a boot of a car !.

Bob.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Bob
I think if we (ie US) does anything about Iran our share market will go gangbusters.
We need to do things in many other countries before even thinking of Iran: Try Myanmar, North Korea, Sudan or Zimbabwe - different issues, but real problems. In any case I would put China so far ahead of Iran as a threat that Iran is not even on the scales.
A sense of proportion goes a long way.
Remember the only nation that ever used the "bomb" in warfare was the US - against a hapless Japan on its last legs (it's an instructive read to discover what the key military decision makers thought at the time and in retrospect about what they did).
I am not sure what Iran would do with a "bomb" as they could never threaten the UK, US or Australia unless they have access to ICBMs, which they do not.
The phrase "sabre rattling" comes to mind: Iran is rattling and the US is rattled!

A rather naive response I think.

Iran has explicitly advocated the destruction of Israel.

Iran and North Korea share technology - ICBMs are in North Korea!

 

[rederob]

A rather naive response I think.

Iran has explicitly advocated the destruction of Israel.

Iran and North Korea share technology - ICBMs are in North Korea!

Snake
When it comes to naive, I trust your judgement.
Naive is where you give somebody something, encourage them use it , tell them they can't anymore, and then attack them because you don't believe they haven't got it anymore.
From what I have read of your posts to date, the idea of "pre-emtive strikes" is quite justifiable.
In pure legal terms it remains a recipe for disaster.
In moral terms it implies the aggressor is always right, irrespective of any subsequent proven wrongdoing.
More importantly, it implies an arrogance on behalf of the holder of such a view, as the truth has no real value, and the views of the counterparty must always be irrelevant or dishonest.
So much for naivety.

 

[rederob]

Rederob,

You stated that they ( Iran ) don't have any ICBMs, so what?.
Nuclear bombs can be made the size of a suitcase & be delivered in a boot of a car !.

Bob.

Not true Bob.
So called "dirty bombs" fit your description.
There is nothing stopping any terrorist today from delivering a dirty bomb as it just requires a nuclear contaminant to be mixed with an explosive such as cemtex or similar. The explosive event would be minor - the damage is done by contiminating the area where the detonation occurred. The amount of nuclear material unaccounted for after the Soviet Union disintegrated remains a greater cause for concern than Iran's sabre rattling.
I really believe that people who do not understand what they are talking about are better off doing some research than posting claims that do them a disservice. That way we can have a more informaed debate about something that has nothing to do with liberal or labor.

 

[rederob]

A rather naive response I think.

Iran has explicitly advocated the destruction of Israel.

Iran and North Korea share technology - ICBMs are in North Korea!

The logic sequence works like this:

George Bush is a man.
Men kill people.
George Bush Jr kills people.

The difference probably is better put by saying Snake is a man.
Men kill people.
Snake kills people.

Spot the difference?

Yes, George Bush, as Commander in Chief, has killed thousands of people.

 

[bullmarket]

:iagree: rederob

much more important issues with much higher priorities for immediate solutions than Iran around the globe atm as you and others have highlighted.

cheers

bullmarket

 

[Knobby22]

China isn't a threat,Rederob.
You are watching too much US Fox.

China has done much for the Aussie economy.
The US on the other hand is a huge leach, sucking our wealth. I still can't believe how bad the "free trade policy" is to Australia.

 

[Prospector]

Re the Free Trade Policy - the Red Cross have a letter on their Website stating that because of the new Trade policy the Contract to provide Blood services (eg sorting the Plasma from the platelets etc etc) currently done in Australia by CSL will now have to be offered to US companies. So the blood you donate may end up in the US, be processed, and come back to Australia.

Which clever Johnny thought of that one!

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

The logic sequence works like this:

George Bush is a man.
Men kill people.
George Bush Jr kills people.

The difference probably is better put by saying Snake is a man.
Men kill people.
Snake kills people.

Spot the difference?

Yes, George Bush, as Commander in Chief, has killed thousands of people.

Moderators,

This is inflammatory and states that I kill people.

 

[visual]

Snake,
what are you waiting for,strike him,hope you are deadly

 

[Prospector]

Gosh, I'd be more worried he is comparing you with George W Bush

 

[Bobby]

Not true Bob.
So called "dirty bombs" fit your description.
There is nothing stopping any terrorist today from delivering a dirty bomb as it just requires a nuclear contaminant to be mixed with an explosive such as cemtex or similar. The explosive event would be minor - the damage is done by contiminating the area where the detonation occurred. The amount of nuclear material unaccounted for after the Soviet Union disintegrated remains a greater cause for concern than Iran's sabre rattling.
I really believe that people who do not understand what they are talking about are better off doing some research than posting claims that do them a disservice. That way we can have a more informaed debate about something that has nothing to do with liberal or labor.

Hello Rederob,

Whats not true ?.

Please check your spelling re: ( informaed ) ?.

Now you be a good boy today please. :

Bob.

 

[Joe Blow]

Moderators,

This is inflammatory and states that I kill people.

Snake, I saw you in both 'Escape From New York' and 'Escape From L.A.' and you killed plenty of people.

 

[stockGURU]

Please check your spelling re: ( informaed ) ?.

Hello there Bobby... you need to check your punctuation.

A question mark takes the place of a period (full stop) in a sentence, so you do not need to add one after it. Just thought you should know.