Kevin Rudd

[MrBurns]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Mr Rudd has come up with a new pet word. It is "jag." He told Kerry O'Brien on the 7.30 report last night that by leading the world in positive action for reducing global emissions he will "jag" the world community into following suit.

No doubt all the world leaders are watching closely for more world leadership gems.

His IQ isn't all that high , he thinks he knows better then anyone else but he was just lucky enough to be leading the Labor party when John Howard had run out of steam. He will also revolutionize language and find a cure for all illnesses instruct the globe on how to run finances and teach James Bond how to be a better spy, the mans a freeking genius ........in his own mind.

 

[rederob]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

His IQ isn't all that high....

Everything is comparative.
From the tripe I see you spit out here it looks like Rudd is truly in the genius category.
Then again, coming off such a low base, I guess we'll have to redefine genius from your perspective.

 

[MrBurns]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Everything is comparative.
From the tripe I see you spit out here it looks like Rudd is truly in the genius category.
Then again, coming off such a low base, I guess we'll have to redefine genius from your perspective.

Oh dear me your hero has been maligned or is it more like, accurately defined.

Have you been told today rederob ? No ? well consider it done.

 

[fimmwolf]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

$100k for cancer and $10.5 B for the bailout of bastards.

funny, I was thinking those bastards are a cancer.

If Mrs Rudd had cancer maybe the milky bar kid would see it different. But then again, I'm sure he can afford the best care for his wife.

 

[rederob]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Oh dear me your hero has been maligned or is it more like, accurately defined.

Have you been told today rederob ? No ? well consider it done.

MrBurns
I have read many of your posts in this and other threads where you specifically target present federal members of parliament.
Your bent is obvious, and it matches your lack of understanding of political processes and financial markets.
What I note is your inability to substantiate an argument or defend it with logic or reasoned thought, viz:

$100k for cancer and $10.5 B for the bailout of bastards.

Like it or not our government is largely in step with other nation's efforts to stem the financial bloodletting going on. Indeed, it's acting more quickly than most and is trying its hardest to lead by example.
There is no book telling countries what has to be done in these circumstances, and arguing the toss about a "cap" or no cap on bank deposits, or what can be guaranteed, and what should have a fee paid in order for a guarantee to be effective, falls into the Turnbull bipartisan camp for egomaniacs.
I listened to Turnbull again today finding a powerful voice in private enterprise agreeing with one of his earlier positions. That's all good and well, but Turnbull is not in power, and he has also been told clearly what his party needs to do before the government will consider his hand of bipartisanship.
I'm impressed with Rudd's efforts to date.
He certainly cuts a better image of a leader than Bush in the present climate: Articulate, knowledgeable, and decisive. He's also injected some honesty by fessing up to not knowing exactly how some things will impact, but determining to respond wherever consequences are dire.

On the issue of honesty, I am unclear about what it is that I have "been told" by you. I surmised it was that Rudd really is a genius, but your intent might have separated from your non-senses.

 

[treefrog]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

I'm impressed with Rudd's efforts to date.
He certainly cuts a better image of a leader than Bush in the present climate: Articulate, knowledgeable, and decisive.

red; saying he is better than bush is not saying anything for him at all - you might mean he is twice as good but I would rate Bush (1-10) as a one so that would put Rudd as a 2.
as for articulate, you might be on your own there as a number of international media commentators have found Rudd a point of merriment with his ruddisms and boring accademic lectures. (admitedly he appears to be trying to get a handle on this of late)
but as a true swinging voter i quite enjoy Burns' "to the point" obsevations and comment - similar to clarke and dawe

 

[MrBurns]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

MrBurns
I have read many of your posts in this and other threads where you specifically target present federal members of parliament.
Your bent is obvious, and it matches your lack of understanding of political processes and financial markets.
What I note is your inability to substantiate an argument or defend it with logic or reasoned thought, viz:

Like it or not our government is largely in step with other nation's efforts to stem the financial bloodletting going on. Indeed, it's acting more quickly than most and is trying its hardest to lead by example.
There is no book telling countries what has to be done in these circumstances, and arguing the toss about a "cap" or no cap on bank deposits, or what can be guaranteed, and what should have a fee paid in order for a guarantee to be effective, falls into the Turnbull bipartisan camp for egomaniacs.
I listened to Turnbull again today finding a powerful voice in private enterprise agreeing with one of his earlier positions. That's all good and well, but Turnbull is not in power, and he has also been told clearly what his party needs to do before the government will consider his hand of bipartisanship.
I'm impressed with Rudd's efforts to date.
He certainly cuts a better image of a leader than Bush in the present climate: Articulate, knowledgeable, and decisive. He's also injected some honesty by fessing up to not knowing exactly how some things will impact, but determining to respond wherever consequences are dire.

On the issue of honesty, I am unclear about what it is that I have "been told" by you. I surmised it was that Rudd really is a genius, but your intent might have separated from your non-senses.

I go somewhat by gut feel and Rudd leaves me cold as do the sycophants that try to justify every move he makes , which brings me to you, you also don't make sense to those that really think about things.

You're a Labor ***** and a boor so don't try and apologize for Rudd anymore it's just embarrassing.

 

[rederob]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

You're a Labor ***** and a boor so don't try and apologize for Rudd anymore it's just embarrassing.

You don't get much right do you.
I prefer to vote "independent" first if there is a good candidate, and then Green.
I readily admit that Howard was not my favourite politician. He lied to Costello, misled the public on numerous contentious matters, and squandered the best years in Australia's economic history on nothing in particular (unless you include the GST).

treefrog
I would have compared Rudd to many other leaders, but I suspect MrBurns could not tell the difference between President Giovanni Cardinal Lajolo and Prime Minister Geir Hilmar Haarde, or Alan Gabriel Ludwig García Pérez and Yehude Simon Munaro, let alone Marcus Stephen, Stephen King, King Abdullah, and Abdullah Ahmad Badawi.

 

[Julia]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

M
Like it or not our government is largely in step with other nation's efforts to stem the financial bloodletting going on.

That's true, but it remains to be seen whether these actions are effective.
They involve no small degree of moral hazard at least.

Indeed, it's acting more quickly than most and is trying its hardest to lead by example.

Ah, here we have what Mr Rudd is all about. He seems to see himself as a latter day Messiah, his mission being to put the world at large to rights.
However, to suggest that he was the leader in the guaranteeing of bank deposits is completely wrong. He did it reluctantly to prevent funds going offshore to other banks (originally the Bank of Ireland) who had already guaranteed deposits. No credit to Mr Rudd or Mr Swan in this.
Moreover we have subsequently seen the ramifications of their unlimited guarantee - a total dislocation of the financial system. Had Mr Turnbull's advice of capping the guarantee at $100K been heeded, it's unlikely that the redemptions from the non-bank funds would have proceeded at any greater rate than was already happening as a result of people feeling worried about the market linked funds.

There is no book telling countries what has to be done in these circumstances, and arguing the toss about a "cap" or no cap on bank deposits, or what can be guaranteed, and what should have a fee paid in order for a guarantee to be effective, falls into the Turnbull bipartisan camp for egomaniacs.

Nonsense. As above the cap or non-cap does in fact make a considerable difference.

I listened to Turnbull again today finding a powerful voice in private enterprise agreeing with one of his earlier positions. That's all good and well, but Turnbull is not in power, and he has also been told clearly what his party needs to do before the government will consider his hand of bipartisanship.

Has he? It must have passed me by. Could you explain exactly what Mr Turnbull is, umm, required to do and who exactly says so?

I'm impressed with Rudd's efforts to date.

I suppose this all depends on the base from which you are judging.
I spoke with someone the other day who declared Mr Rudd has charisma!!!
He may be quite intelligent, process driven, hard working, determined and possessed of many other features, but to suggest this robotic person has charisma was, I thought, quite extraordinary.

He certainly cuts a better image of a leader than Bush in the present climate:

Ah, now we understand the base from which you feel able to make the earlier comment. To offer that he is better than Bush hardly represents any sort of valid endorsement.

Articulate, knowledgeable, and decisive. He's also injected some honesty by fessing up to not knowing exactly how some things will impact, but determining to respond wherever consequences are dire.

Yes, indeed, even if means going off half cocked as they did with the unlimited guarantee. All for the sake of appearing decisive. A bit more thoughtfulness might have been a good thing.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Rudd is an interesting bloke.

He is intelligent and has an incredible grasp of bureaucracy.

I believe he did the correct thing recently in his guarantee of bank deposits though in retrospect he could have done it better. Couldn't we all.

He is also a pigeon toed, godbothering, ear wax nibbler who didn't have the balls to get a r**t in one of the best brothels in New York, he got pissed and maudling and confessed to momma.

All of these I can forgive.

He is human though weak.

So far Australia is managing well in this crisis.

Imagine if we had Keating in charge!!!

So lets support the little bastard, Turnbull though looks better by the day.

gg

 

[rederob]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

It's always interesting to see another's perspective.
Turnbull rightly pointed out quite early in the piece that the "retail" sector of the market was a very different kettle of fish to mum and dad depositors at banks.
The retail sector literally deals in deposit sizes a million times that of mums and dads. However, while mums and dads are making millions of deposits on a regular basis, the retail sector's rate is a mere trifle.
The issue with the retail sector was that "guarantees" were essential, else the mechanisms of all trade would fail. Not just here, but everywhere. Unfortunately this detail seems to have escaped most people's attention.
The issue for mum and dads was whether or not they would make a run on the banks, and had nothing to do with everyone wanting to put their money into Irish banks: As if Ireland could guarantee deposits for its own, let alone others!
Turnbull is a turncoat on bipartisanship. He is either supportive of government actions in the matter, or not. Instead, he say he is and then goes on to score points of difference, through regular "I told you sos" or "if they'd listened to me this wouldn't have happened". Turnbull's blocking billions of revenue dollars through Senate rejection of various Bills, and he's been told that if he wants bipartisanship from government it can start by passing those Bills.
On Rudd, what is apparent in this thread are emotive attacks supported by a poor understanding of politics and markets.
But I guess in the present climate having a mortgage on ignorance probably means someone smarter will come along, repackage it, and flog it on to another sucker.

 

[MrBurns]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

On Rudd, what is apparent in this thread are emotive attacks supported by a poor understanding of politics and markets.
But I guess in the present climate having a mortgage on ignorance probably means someone smarter will come along, repackage it, and flog it on to another sucker.

Emotive attacks stem from having to suffer a poser such as Rudd when we need someone with knowledge and talent.

Don't accuse others of ignorance of politics or markets, you are offensive and pollute forums such as this with your attempts to take the moral high ground and insult others.

You are a serial pest, go away.

 

[nunthewiser]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Emotive attacks stem from having to suffer a poser such as Rudd when we need someone with knowledge and talent.

Don't accuse others of ignorance of politics or markets, you are offensive and pollute forums such as this with your attempts to take the moral high ground and insult others.

You are a serial pest, go away.

LOL i would say that sounds a little bit hypocritical sport , but im not posting on forums at the moment so will just grin and think it instead

 

[Calliope]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Congratulations Julia on your forensic demolition of Rederob's arguments without a single * or abusive word. A voice of common sense and moderation on this thread is like an oasis in the desert.

 

[Julia]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

=rederob;356568The issue for mum and dads was whether or not they would make a run on the banks, and had nothing to do with everyone wanting to put their money into Irish banks: As if Ireland could guarantee deposits for its own, let alone others!

Rob, Ireland did guarantee all bank deposits. Mr Rudd and Mr Swan have specifically stated that the guarantee being offered by other countries was one of the prime reasons for Australia having to do the same.

Turnbull is a turncoat on bipartisanship. He is either supportive of government actions in the matter, or not. Instead, he say he is and then goes on to score points of difference, through regular "I told you sos" or "if they'd listened to me this wouldn't have happened".

This is quite true. His offers of bipartisanship are insincere. He does, however, have some good ideas which the government, however reluctantly, should consider. viz my earlier point about capping the guarantee at $100K.

Turnbull's blocking billions of revenue dollars through Senate rejection of
various Bills, and he's been told that if he wants bipartisanship from government it can start by passing those Bills.

I disagree. If the Libs do not agree with proposed legislation, they have no obligation to fall into line.

On Rudd, what is apparent in this thread are emotive attacks supported by a poor understanding of politics and markets.
But I guess in the present climate having a mortgage on ignorance probably means someone smarter will come along, repackage it, and flog it on to another sucker.

Even for you, Rob, that is a very patronising remark. I think it contributes little to the discussion.

 

[rederob]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Julia
You choose to answer your own questions rather than the proper issues.
For example, how exactly could Ireland guarantee its immediate bank deposits, let alone those that would flow in?
It is true that other nations' guarantees affected Rudd's decision, and it is true because without such guarantees in place international trade would have quickly ground to a halt. Rudd was aware that in ports around the globe some goods were not being loaded because the sellers had no assurance they would be paid.
Had Rudd capped bank guarantees at $100k how would a shipload of ore be affected? Answer: It would not be shipped because the risk would be too great. Turnbull saw only one side of the "retail" problem, and his response would have stuffed up our capacity to trade. Thankfully the sensible option was taken.
On the matter of Senate Bills, the Opposition has clearly chosen its response, and Rudd's response to Turnbull is that if they want economic bipartisanship in the present climate, it begins in the Senate. That's clear cut.
On your last point, I am curious that it was levelled towards me given the many poor quality and vulgar posts of MrBurns and several others.
It was also quite poor English on your part to suggest my remark was patronising. It was quite the opposite, deliberately contemptuous of MrBurns and those that blissfully feed from his grotty trough.

 

[MrBurns]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

vulgar posts of MrBurns and several others.
It was also quite poor English on your part to suggest my remark was patronising. It was quite the opposite, deliberately contemptuous of MrBurns and those that blissfully feed from his grotty trough.

I don't attack but I will respond in self defense so keep your unprovoked, unwarranted and insulting remarks to yourself.

 

[rhen]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Keep a watch in your own back yard...

Game over for corporate fat cats: Rudd
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says he believes Australians are increasingly angry about corporate greed, as he defends his response to the global financial crisis.

The Federal Opposition is expected to use this week's sittings in Parliament to continue to demand details on the $10.4 billion rescue package and the Treasury modelling behind it.

Mr Rudd says he has acted quickly on the crisis and on Channel Seven he again foreshadowed tough measures against corporate greed.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/20/2395338.htm?section=australia
Was that Channel Kevin, Seven-Four-Seven?

TAXPAYERS funded a $1 million cash bonus to the chief executive of government-owned monopoly Australia Post this year.

Australia Post managing director Graeme John earned $2.9million in 2007-08 - the same year his organisation raised the cost of the average postage stamp by 10 per cent to 55c.

News of the huge bonus follows scathing attacks by Kevin Rudd on massive bonuses paid to private sector executives.

The pay bonus follows payment of a special dividend to the government of $150 million by Australian Post, in addition to the $300 million annual dividend payment.

Mr Rudd yesterday refused to comment on Mr John's bonus.

Communication Minister Stephen Conroy said Australia Post was a successful corporation and its profits were either reinvested or returned to the public via dividends paid to the commonwealth.

Senator Conroy said pay levels were set by the Australia Post board and it would be inappropriate to comment on Mr John's package. The government, however, appoints the board.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,,24573890-643,00.html

Does Rudd inspire confidence?

 

[gav]

Re: Rudd, I'm pissed off aren't you?

Check out the thread "Does Rudd inspire confidence?" and read post #103 by Rhen. It suits the title of this thread particularly well!

 

[gav]

Re: Does Rudd inspire confidence?

Great post Rhen