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Would I be correct in assuming that Australia has sufficient radar etc to be sure that it hasn't landed / crashed on land in Australia?

Yes. JORN can apparently see things in such detail that it would be aware of a Cessna taking off in Indonesia. It has an unofficial range as far as Singapore.
 
Where do you get 171k L of Jet A1 fuel?

If it was landed at a military base then it would all be pretty easy. Put a properly trained pilot on board as hijacker, hijack the plane, land it, put it in a hangar out of sight. And they already have access to the required fuel at such a location or could at least get hold of it.

But in that case we're saying that a national government has hijacked a plane, landed it, and kept both the plane and passengers who originate from numerous countries. Whilst not totally impossible, it seems an incredibly unlikely scenario.

If someone wants a plane for use in a later terrorist attack, and is doing so with the full support of a national government or at least its' military, then it would likely be easier to just get some money together and buy an old plane from an airline via a normal sale process that arouses no suspicion. That would be a lot easier than hijacking and having half the world out looking for it.

This all seems very unlikely to me.....
 

I wasn't suggesting that the plan was to hide the plane or refuel at a hidden airfield. I thought they may have planned to refuel it at any accessible airfield and then, with the extra range available, fly it to some target that is strategically important to the US or its allies. Disclosing the target an hour or so before reaching the target but declaring their plan is just to land nearby would put the US/Allies in the intolerable position of choosing between their people/resources (as it would be apparent that they would planning a 9/11 style attack and not land) or the Chinese passengers. The implications for US/Chinese relations would be enormous, should they shoot the plane down.

What made me think along those lines was the apparent route westwards shown on the map in post #58. The second last turn put the plane on a direct NNE line to Phuket, which is capable of landing and refueling a 777. Phuket is also the source of the stolen passports, so they might have been planning on adding more people or something else at that location. There was obviously some change of plan or circumstance that caused them to again turn westwards before reaching Phuket.
 
Apparently the Captain of MH370 Zahari Amad Shah was a political activist and die-hard supporter of the Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim. If so he cannot have been happy about the recent jailing (for the second time) of Anwar Ibrahim on trumped up charges of sodomy.
This could have been a strong motive for Captain Shah to 'hijack' his own plane and would be highly, highly embarrassing to the Malaysian Government.
Perhaps behind the scenes 'demands' have already been made - such as for example - release Anwar Ibrahim.
The Malaysian authorities will not be in a hurry to make that sort of thing public.
 

If the pilot did that, he would broadcast his demands to a wider audience than just Malaysia, and the question still remains "where in the world are they" ?
 
I did see an article during the week saying that mobile phones of passengers could be rung and a ring tone obtained up to some hours after the flight disappeared from civilian radar, but not the next day.
 
If the pilot did that, he would broadcast his demands to a wider audience than just Malaysia, and the question still remains "where in the world are they" ?

Possibly but I still have an inkling there might be a connection between the disappearance of MH370 and Anwar Ibrahim.
If Captain Shah is involved he would need support and co-operation from someone on the ground at whatever location he was taking the aircraft to and he would either need the co-operation of his co-pilot Fariq Hamid or else he would have to ‘disable’ the co-pilot.

Captain Shah has some interesting stuff on his facebook page. (He clearly doesn't like the 'establishment'). For example:


And the co-pilot's facebook page is interesting as well. It says that he works for Malaysia Airlines but lives in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
 

I guess he's lucky he still has(had) a job after that.

Anyway, off to watch Air Crash Investigation; QF32 engine explosion, should be fascinating and thankfully no casualties.
 
I can reduce that search area slightly. It's not in my back yard.

Within the circle, there are apparently two flight path options. One northwest from Malaysia towards Turkey and the other southwest over the Indian Ocean.

Check again Doc.





http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-15/malaysia-sets-new-search-zone-as-flight-deliberately-diverted.html
 
There was either a hijacking or not a hijacking. It seems to me these are the most probable explanations under each scenario.

Hijacking...

May be the Petronas twin towers? Not sure about motive but it will be consistent with the sharp U-turn made so close to leaving KL. If they wanted to not be tracked, they'd takeover the plane closer to the middle of the South China Sea and further away from populated radar areas.

I can't really accept the stealing a plane theory. It doesn't make sense to plan an attack with this being the first part... it's high risk and completely unnecessary. Unless there's someone really important on the plane who's the actual target.


No hijacking...

Some fault happened with the aircraft, incapacitating the crew and resulting in the plane flying in a path that by shear chance looks like it was trying to avoid radar. I haven't seen anything released yet that supports a "conclusive" view of hijacking... but it wouldn't surprise me that Malaysian governments will release more information in the future.

The actions of the crew look sinister, but they would also fit the profile of someone suffering from hypoxia.

Agree. It's hard to be conclusive about the intent of the pilot by looking at his flight path. It's like reading share price chart and concluding what the CEO of the company is thinking...


Without being knowledgable in aircraft or flying, surely they can still gain some bearing with simple methods like a compass, stars and moon (apparantly it was a clear sky), or lights from major ports and highways and coastlines and cities etc. If they had any control of the aircraft at all, they shouldn't be completely lost and be so far away. A ghost flight is possible but will require something happening to the crew in addition to just system failure.
 

One would hope so, but pilots rely on electronics a lot these days. How often do they actually practise manual navigation ? If all the electronic systems went down, they would have had a difficult enough job just keeping the plane in the air.
 

I don't know how they reached that conclusion. The ping is sent to a geostationary satellite. The only information that can be garnered from the ping is the distance between the aircraft and the satellite. That's why there are arcs extending north and south (the two "corridors"). Essentially you could draw a huge circle around the Earth that could be a last location. Of course because the aircraft didn't have unlimited fuel they only had to draw a couple of arcs extending north and south. So, basically, it's no more likey to have gone south than to have gone north, based on the evidence at hand currently.
 
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