wayneL
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I hope you're right, Horace. I'm pessimistic about it though.
Dona Ferentes
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Israel may just have found it necessary to take out the Iranian generals that were complicit in the 07 Oct rampage when 1200, mainly civilians, mainly Jewish, were murdered and > 200 taken hostage by Hamas.
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Yeah well, action and reaction, opposite but not equal. 1200 israelis 30,000 Palestians dead. Don't tell me anyone is "right" in this war.
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"Israel says 99% of the drones and missiles launched by Tehran were intercepted, but the alert level remains high."
Quality work by Iran... Have to wonder if it was just a ploy to look 'hard' to their fellow extremists but deep down they were scared Israel might respond. A pretty unsuccessful attack unless it was to use up old bombs?
Quality work by Iran... Have to wonder if it was just a ploy to look 'hard' to their fellow extremists but deep down they were scared Israel might respond. A pretty unsuccessful attack unless it was to use up old bombs?
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Yes that is the problem with these issues, there is always an over reaction to frighten the crap out of the opposition, to hopefully make them think twice before trying the same thing again
Whether it works or not is debatable, but as always it is the general public who suffer the most.
Look what happened when the twin towers were taken down and 4,000 died, for several years there was a lot of pain and suffering due to the reaction, I don't know how many died in the retaliation but it would have been a hell of a lot more than 4,000
Humans don't seem to learn much from history.
IFocus
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Netanyahu bombed an embassy trying to start WWIII?
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Yes I guess we will just have to see whether everyone else wants to buy in, I know whatever I think won't matter at all.
Israel is still surrounded by people who don't like them, so if they play all in they will be hoping for back up, in today's world that isn't a given.
Most people sympathise with what happened in WW2, but I would guess that only goes so far, as you know I'm not invested either way in this scuffle.
Knobby22
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USA don't want to join in. can't blame them. These wars never go the way planned.
I think its smart that Israel are considering the next move carefully. A full blown attack flying over Syria and Iraq may not be useful.
Maybe they can achieve a good result more subtly.
The Houthis who are still causing major problems with hotchpotch drone and missile capabilities though the USA are slowly winning I think. Looking it up they recently severely damaged an Indian ship in March, Lebanese cargo ship in February 9,(which has since sunk), heaps of other attacks.
A recent attack in April was on 3 cargo ships escorted by two USA frigates. I can't find out what happened in detail.
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Interesting to note that Trump had oil sanctions on Iran and I don't think Biden has.
Saudis are battling it out to become a middle East leader. Israel seems to have been put on a leash for any retaliation to the Iran strikes and Iran has thrown their multimillion dollar hissy fit at Israel.
Iran basically telegraphed their strike on purpose so the Israelis had plenty of time to seek cover. I think it was roughly 2 hours of warning time.
Saudis are battling it out to become a middle East leader. Israel seems to have been put on a leash for any retaliation to the Iran strikes and Iran has thrown their multimillion dollar hissy fit at Israel.
Iran basically telegraphed their strike on purpose so the Israelis had plenty of time to seek cover. I think it was roughly 2 hours of warning time.
Knobby22
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Sanctions have been there since 2012. Obama bought them in.
wayneL
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What is more interesting is that both Jordan and Saudi participated in the defence, along with UK US etc.
A message in that?
What is obvious is that it seems there are greater strategic considerations now in play. This *may be a good thing, although I am deeply distrustful of the greater ideological considerations behind those (personal opinion).
There is probably more going on behind the scenes than we'll ever be allowed to know.
IFocus
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Looks more like an opportunity for Intelligence gathering on defenses and how strong alliances are and then play the story at home how they taught Israel a lesson.
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I think they were essentially forced into it. Their proxies are dying for them and if Iran didn't act they would lose face.
It is a big deal. A direct attack.
You can see by Iran's statement that they consider everything over and honour is satisfied that they are scared of the consequences.
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but a Crossing the Rubicon moment, nevertheless.
No more use of proxies - Hezb, Houthi, Hamas - but a direct attack on Israel.
No more use of proxies - Hezb, Houthi, Hamas - but a direct attack on Israel.
There's been a bit of a cold war between Iran and Saudi for a while.
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A view of damaged houses and burning vehicles after a raid by Jewish settlers on the Mughir town near Ramallah, West Bank on April 12, 2024.
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Israel now has the Chance of putting the Iranian Nuclear Program into Disarray again!
I Am Sure It Will!
I Am Sure It Will!
Dona Ferentes
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Tehran elites are in their bunkers already, but some are saying Israel won't respond to being attacked until after Passover - 30 April
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Nailed it. I believe from the US POV and others it was a very telegraphed and "short step" operation to allow Iran to respond to the initial attack but not give cause for further retaliation. Certainly that was the US view.
Israel however wants to re attack. Crazy, dangerous xhite
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Just checked the last 20 posts and clearly this line has been well explored.
