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basilio said:
FFS how about reading the content.? Are you totally incapable of separating reportage from opinion ? :(

This was a report of a protest by Anti Zionist Jews in the Geelong office of Defence Minister Richard Marles. You can find almost identical reports on a score of other news sites.

So why not comment on the views/background and thinking of the protesters rather than making gratuitous, irrelevant comments of the source ?

Jewish demonstrator Nevo Zisin said:

Noemie Huttner-Koros, a Jewish artist and writer, added:

As a descendant of Holocaust survivors, I refuse to let Israel’s far-right government weaponise our grief, pain and fear for the purpose of war crimes, invasion and genocide. We want to show Jewish people in the diaspora that we can speak up. Jews and Palestinians can and do live together. I see it as my ancestral duty to fight for justice, peace and liberation for all.
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Anti-Zionist Jewish activists take over Richard Marles’ office

Protesters have taken over the office of Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles. The anti-Zionist Jewish activists have used bicycle locks to secure themselves in the reception and refused to leave. The group is calling on the Defence Minister to condemn the bombing of Gaza and the West Bank...
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What you fail to realise, dear grasshopper, is that the ideology of the Jewish people is not a monolithic clump of idiocy, such as is outlined in your Pravda article here.

I realise it is difficult for you of the socialist hive mind, but there are a great diversity of views within Judaism. The proportion of numbskulls is pretty similar to that within Christianity, though perhaps substantively less than within the socialist hive mind.

Indeed, Jewish self flagellation dovetails precisely with socialist thought. IOW it is those of that religion infected with the woke mind virus.
 
basilio said:
FFS how about reading the content.? Are you totally incapable of separating reportage from opinion ? :(

This was a report of a protest by Anti Zionist Jews in the Geelong office of Defence Minister Richard Marles. You can find almost identical reports on a score of other news sites.

So why not comment on the views/background and thinking of the protesters rather than making gratuitous, irrelevant comments of the source ?

Jewish demonstrator Nevo Zisin said:

Noemie Huttner-Koros, a Jewish artist and writer, added:

As a descendant of Holocaust survivors, I refuse to let Israel’s far-right government weaponise our grief, pain and fear for the purpose of war crimes, invasion and genocide. We want to show Jewish people in the diaspora that we can speak up. Jews and Palestinians can and do live together. I see it as my ancestral duty to fight for justice, peace and liberation for all.
www.skynews.com.au

Anti-Zionist Jewish activists take over Richard Marles’ office

Protesters have taken over the office of Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles. The anti-Zionist Jewish activists have used bicycle locks to secure themselves in the reception and refused to leave. The group is calling on the Defence Minister to condemn the bombing of Gaza and the West Bank...
www.skynews.com.au www.skynews.com.au
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Ewww sky news
Whats your next go to, mein Kampf?
 
wayneL said:
What you fail to realise, dear grasshopper, is that the ideology of the Jewish people is not a monolithic clump of idiocy, such as is outlined in your Pravda article here.

I realise it is difficult for you of the socialist hive mind, but there are a great diversity of views within Judaism. The proportion of numbskulls is pretty similar to that within Christianity, though perhaps substantively less than within the socialist hive mind.

Indeed, Jewish self flagellation dovetails precisely with socialist thought. IOW it is those of that religion infected with the woke mind virus.
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Wokeism is a bloody mental disease. That unfortunately stains everyone right or left through subtle shifts.
 
wayneL said:
What you fail to realise, dear grasshopper, is that the ideology of the Jewish people is not a monolithic clump of idiocy, such as is outlined in your Pravda article here.

I realise it is difficult for you of the socialist hive mind, but there are a great diversity of views within Judaism. The proportion of numbskulls is pretty similar to that within Christianity, though perhaps substantively less than within the socialist hive mind.

Indeed, Jewish self flagellation dovetails precisely with socialist thought. IOW it is those of that religion infected with the woke mind virus.
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Really ? Couldn't have possibly believed that the sentiments of Ultra Orthodox Jewish West Bank settlers might not be the same as secular Jews. Or that Israel has 12 different parties in the Knesset ranging from Ultra Conservative to Secular .:rolleyes:

And of course these different points of view are reflected in varying degrees across the world.

However if you can open your mind you would also note that many war experienced people in Israel do not accept that levelling Gaza and killing or driving out 2 million people in the process is not going to bring any peace. The risk of the conflict going regional if not global just keeps ratcheting up

List of political parties in Israel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
theconversation.com

Gaza conflict: no matter how powerful Israel’s military becomes it still can’t win

The conflict with Palestinians that has exploded again is a constant threat that even the most advanced weaponry can’t assuage.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
 
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basilio said:
Nah.. Just pointing out (obviously) that many media carried the same story. Eventhe Murdoch Press can copy and paste
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Stirring aside, there will never be peace in the middle East while religion has control.
Most Muslims won't be happy until Israel is destroyed. They will keep financing attacks or claiming victim status well into the future.
They are still pis5y about the crusades. Islam won't evolve to suddenly want peace with Israel. It seems to be endgame solutions now.

It blows my mind how many leftists want to die on this hill. Islam is the direct opposite of everything they stand for and conservatives would probably flourish under it.
 
moXJO said:
Stirring aside, there will never be peace in the middle East while religion has control.
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I don't think religion has total control in itself but does give cover for the extremist who wield it over the mob.
 

From my hometown in Gaza, the unthinkable news: 36 of my family members are dead​

Ghada Ageel
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The Khan Yunis refugee camp was supposed to be in the safe zone. But nowhere is safe – the very existence of Palestinians is under attack
Thu 2 Nov 2023 00.42 AEDTLast modified on Thu 2 Nov 2023 05.22 AEDT

My family home was supposed to be in the safe zone in southern Gaza. But last week the bombs came anyway, without warning. They fell at around 10 o’clock on Thursday morning in four or five big explosions. An entire residential quarter of the Khan Yunis refugee camp, where I was born and raised, was reduced to rubble. Everyone there experienced it as an earthquake; a human-made earthquake. The whole camp was shaking.

I’ve counted 49 dead – among them are 36 members of my family. Another dozen or more are still missing under the rubble of eight homes, I’m told, and more than 100 are injured.

I now reside in Canada but my family home still stands in that same Khan Yunis camp, metres away from where the bombs fell, and it is where much of my extended family still live. This home is all we have left from our late parents and grandparents after they were driven out of Beit Daras village and into the Gaza Strip during the 1948 Nakba – the mass expulsion of Palestinians. Thousands of people were forced to leave our village back then and many made their way to Khan Yunis. Initially intended as a temporary stop until they could return to their homes, families from Beit Daras preferred to live in close proximity to one another. Over time, this temporary arrangement evolved into an enduring one.

These homes were packed with additional people who had fled from the Israeli bombardment of Gaza City when the bombs started to fall – one family to each room. I want to tell you about some of the lives cut short.

Two-year-old Julia Abu Hussein, my sister’s granddaughter, was in the living room of my family home eagerly awaiting the arrival of my niece, Rasha, to take her to the shop to buy sweets. When the first bombs fell, Julia’s mother, Rawan, grabbed her daughter and ran into the kitchen with the rest of the family. But a piece of shrapnel blasted into the kitchen and killed Julia in her mother’s arms.

Just two weeks ago, Julia’s parents – my nephew Amjad and his wife, Rawan –followed the Israeli military’s orders to get out of Gaza City, leaving their home and moving south in search of safety. Together with my sister’s family, it took them three days to travel less than 20 miles to Khan Yunis – for three days we believed they were dead. It’s 2023 but it’s like we woke up to 1948. People running again in search for safety. When they arrived in the “safe zone” they realised that no place in the Gaza Strip was actually safe.
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Two-year-old Julia Abu Hussein, the granddaughter of Ghada Ageel’s sister, with Ghada’s daughter, Ghaida. Julia was killed by shrapnel in the family home after a bomb blast. Photograph: Ghada Ageel

My 79-year-old great-uncle, Nayif Abu Shammala, a retired teacher, and his wife, Fathiya, were among the survivors of the Nakba. They lived right across from us and died there under the bombs. Their three daughters and four sons were killed, too.

When she was young, one of them, Aisha, was known as the cutest face in the camp. She was one of those people who radiated happiness. Her sister Dawlat had been living in the UAE and was on a visit home to see her family when the bombs fell. She leaves behind two children and a husband who did not even get the chance to bid her a final farewell. The youngest of the sisters, Umaima, and her daughter Malak had also fled the bombardment in the north. But the bombs caught up with them anyway.

Nayif and Fathiya’s sons – Zuhair, Hassan, Mahmoud and Mohammed – all died alongside their wives. The lives of Hassan’s three children were sacrificed to the bombs as well. These children are not distant strangers; they were beautiful souls I knew well. Children whose character-filled faces I can still see. Children who told me of their dreams for the lives ahead of them. All now ground into the dust.

Why did Israel kill them? The family has no political affiliations. Nothing can justify this heinous crime of killing three generations unless being Palestinian is the crime.

My great-aunt, Um Said, lived a long life, at least. She was 92 and was at home with her daughter, Najat, when the bombs fell. They both now find their resting place under the rubble.

Last summer while I visited Gaza, Um Said kindly gave me an embroidered dress that she once wore. She insisted that I take it back to Canada with me. I am grateful that I did. It’s all that I have left to remember her by.

I am struggling to find new ways of describing death – gone, taken, dead, under the rubble, their souls in heaven. The Israeli propaganda machine tells me that they aren’t dead at all because Palestinians must be lying about the numbers of deaths even as we mourn. Or, if they are indeed dead, then they must be “terrorists”.

In truth, the list of dead innocents is so long and so painful. So many children. So many who led good lives. Um Said’s daughter-in-law, Suhaila, was a teacher. So was Imtiyaz, the wife of Asa’ad, my first cousin once removed, who ran a small grocery shop that was a favourite place for my own son, Aziz, to visit when we returned to our homeland.

Asa’ad was known throughout the Khan Yunis camp as a gentle soul who sold goods for little money. He kept a thick ledger of the names of people who owed him payment but often forgot to call in his debts or he simply wrote them off. His beaming face, his shop, his kindness and his family were all stolen from us in broad daylight. When the bombs fell, Asa’ad’s shop was packed. I counted at least six children who died there. Asa’ad’s sons, Hussein and Abdelrahman, a third year medical student, were among the dead.

I want to ask President Biden why he supports this. Does he believe that the pain of an Israeli mother is different from that of a Palestinian mother? Is her blood more valuable than the blood of those in Gaza? This is the only explanation that I can find for what Biden is encouraging in Gaza.

Surviving family members send me pictures from Khan Yunis. Of Julia’s bloody body wrapped in a white sheet and carried by my cousin Jameel. Of destroyed homes. This is just one small slice of the suffering being served up in Gaza. I understand that in a war civilians die. But this is a pattern. Israel talks of Hamas-run schools and Hamas-run hospitals to continue the dehumanisation of Palestinians and to set the stage for more crimes. It’s just an excuse to kill more civilians. This is targeting the very existence of the Palestinians. To me, this is genocide.

Ghada Ageel, a third-generation Palestinian refugee, worked as a translator for the Guardian in Gaza from 2000 to 2006. She is currently visiting professor at the department of political science at the University of Alberta.

www.theguardian.com

From my hometown in Gaza, the unthinkable news: 36 of my family members are dead | Ghada Ageel

The Khan Yunis refugee camp was supposed to be in the safe zone. But nowhere is safe – the very existence of Palestinians is under attack, says Ghada Ageel, a former translator in Gaza for the Guardian
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
basilio said:

From my hometown in Gaza, the unthinkable news: 36 of my family members are dead​

Ghada Ageel
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The Khan Yunis refugee camp was supposed to be in the safe zone. But nowhere is safe – the very existence of Palestinians is under attack
Thu 2 Nov 2023 00.42 AEDTLast modified on Thu 2 Nov 2023 05.22 AEDT

My family home was supposed to be in the safe zone in southern Gaza. But last week the bombs came anyway, without warning. They fell at around 10 o’clock on Thursday morning in four or five big explosions. An entire residential quarter of the Khan Yunis refugee camp, where I was born and raised, was reduced to rubble. Everyone there experienced it as an earthquake; a human-made earthquake. The whole camp was shaking.

I’ve counted 49 dead – among them are 36 members of my family. Another dozen or more are still missing under the rubble of eight homes, I’m told, and more than 100 are injured.

I now reside in Canada but my family home still stands in that same Khan Yunis camp, metres away from where the bombs fell, and it is where much of my extended family still live. This home is all we have left from our late parents and grandparents after they were driven out of Beit Daras village and into the Gaza Strip during the 1948 Nakba – the mass expulsion of Palestinians. Thousands of people were forced to leave our village back then and many made their way to Khan Yunis. Initially intended as a temporary stop until they could return to their homes, families from Beit Daras preferred to live in close proximity to one another. Over time, this temporary arrangement evolved into an enduring one.

These homes were packed with additional people who had fled from the Israeli bombardment of Gaza City when the bombs started to fall – one family to each room. I want to tell you about some of the lives cut short.

Two-year-old Julia Abu Hussein, my sister’s granddaughter, was in the living room of my family home eagerly awaiting the arrival of my niece, Rasha, to take her to the shop to buy sweets. When the first bombs fell, Julia’s mother, Rawan, grabbed her daughter and ran into the kitchen with the rest of the family. But a piece of shrapnel blasted into the kitchen and killed Julia in her mother’s arms.

Just two weeks ago, Julia’s parents – my nephew Amjad and his wife, Rawan –followed the Israeli military’s orders to get out of Gaza City, leaving their home and moving south in search of safety. Together with my sister’s family, it took them three days to travel less than 20 miles to Khan Yunis – for three days we believed they were dead. It’s 2023 but it’s like we woke up to 1948. People running again in search for safety. When they arrived in the “safe zone” they realised that no place in the Gaza Strip was actually safe.
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Two-year-old Julia Abu Hussein, the granddaughter of Ghada Ageel’s sister, with Ghada’s daughter, Ghaida. Julia was killed by shrapnel in the family home after a bomb blast. Photograph: Ghada Ageel

My 79-year-old great-uncle, Nayif Abu Shammala, a retired teacher, and his wife, Fathiya, were among the survivors of the Nakba. They lived right across from us and died there under the bombs. Their three daughters and four sons were killed, too.

When she was young, one of them, Aisha, was known as the cutest face in the camp. She was one of those people who radiated happiness. Her sister Dawlat had been living in the UAE and was on a visit home to see her family when the bombs fell. She leaves behind two children and a husband who did not even get the chance to bid her a final farewell. The youngest of the sisters, Umaima, and her daughter Malak had also fled the bombardment in the north. But the bombs caught up with them anyway.

Nayif and Fathiya’s sons – Zuhair, Hassan, Mahmoud and Mohammed – all died alongside their wives. The lives of Hassan’s three children were sacrificed to the bombs as well. These children are not distant strangers; they were beautiful souls I knew well. Children whose character-filled faces I can still see. Children who told me of their dreams for the lives ahead of them. All now ground into the dust.

Why did Israel kill them? The family has no political affiliations. Nothing can justify this heinous crime of killing three generations unless being Palestinian is the crime.

My great-aunt, Um Said, lived a long life, at least. She was 92 and was at home with her daughter, Najat, when the bombs fell. They both now find their resting place under the rubble.

Last summer while I visited Gaza, Um Said kindly gave me an embroidered dress that she once wore. She insisted that I take it back to Canada with me. I am grateful that I did. It’s all that I have left to remember her by.

I am struggling to find new ways of describing death – gone, taken, dead, under the rubble, their souls in heaven. The Israeli propaganda machine tells me that they aren’t dead at all because Palestinians must be lying about the numbers of deaths even as we mourn. Or, if they are indeed dead, then they must be “terrorists”.

In truth, the list of dead innocents is so long and so painful. So many children. So many who led good lives. Um Said’s daughter-in-law, Suhaila, was a teacher. So was Imtiyaz, the wife of Asa’ad, my first cousin once removed, who ran a small grocery shop that was a favourite place for my own son, Aziz, to visit when we returned to our homeland.

Asa’ad was known throughout the Khan Yunis camp as a gentle soul who sold goods for little money. He kept a thick ledger of the names of people who owed him payment but often forgot to call in his debts or he simply wrote them off. His beaming face, his shop, his kindness and his family were all stolen from us in broad daylight. When the bombs fell, Asa’ad’s shop was packed. I counted at least six children who died there. Asa’ad’s sons, Hussein and Abdelrahman, a third year medical student, were among the dead.

I want to ask President Biden why he supports this. Does he believe that the pain of an Israeli mother is different from that of a Palestinian mother? Is her blood more valuable than the blood of those in Gaza? This is the only explanation that I can find for what Biden is encouraging in Gaza.

Surviving family members send me pictures from Khan Yunis. Of Julia’s bloody body wrapped in a white sheet and carried by my cousin Jameel. Of destroyed homes. This is just one small slice of the suffering being served up in Gaza. I understand that in a war civilians die. But this is a pattern. Israel talks of Hamas-run schools and Hamas-run hospitals to continue the dehumanisation of Palestinians and to set the stage for more crimes. It’s just an excuse to kill more civilians. This is targeting the very existence of the Palestinians. To me, this is genocide.

Ghada Ageel, a third-generation Palestinian refugee, worked as a translator for the Guardian in Gaza from 2000 to 2006. She is currently visiting professor at the department of political science at the University of Alberta.

www.theguardian.com

From my hometown in Gaza, the unthinkable news: 36 of my family members are dead | Ghada Ageel

The Khan Yunis refugee camp was supposed to be in the safe zone. But nowhere is safe – the very existence of Palestinians is under attack, says Ghada Ageel, a former translator in Gaza for the Guardian
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Is this fact checked?
 
IFocus said:
I don't think religion has total control in itself but does give cover for the extremist who wield it over the mob.
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People seem to forget that Isis ran through a lot of areas not that long ago. The mobs been shown to be indifferent/supportive if it's against westerners or Jews.
What's been happening to Christians in a lot of these Muslim dominated middle eastern countries.

It's a hive minded religion where you risk violence if you go against it.
 
moXJO said:
People seem to forget that Isis ran through a lot of areas not that long ago. The mobs been shown to be indifferent/supportive if it's against westerners or Jews.
What's been happening to Christians in a lot of these Muslim dominated middle eastern countries.

It's a hive minded religion where you risk violence if you go against it.
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Eg Lebanon used to be a Christian majority country, now down to just over a quarter. Jews have been effectively routed all together.

It's a similar story in many middle eastern countries.
 
In Gaza (and Israel), the war is fought with guns, bombs and people's lives. Outside of the Levant, the war is fought with propaganda.

With a great deal of help from the left and a massive dollop of anti-semitism, this war is being won by the Palestinians, the strike on the ambulances concealing Palestinian terrorists being universally reported by mainstream media as Israeli savagery.

But back on Oct 7....

 
during the last fracas with Hezbollah, the Israeli forces moving into sthn Lebanon were frequently ambushed by Hezbi forces, usually only one or two in a location, that went silent, waited 2 or more days, to take out a IDF soldier. Promptly dispatched, but the asymmetry of losses was such that it was a painful lesson.

I suspect the current situation is that the unshaven ones in western countries have a similar allegiance, and when push comes to shove, martyrdom will be sought.
 

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