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Worth pointing out that Pomegartes and Myrrh was certainly not a creature of Hamas ect.

A romance of Palestinian origin that avoids making an argument about Middle East politics.
John Anderson

Love in the time of razor wire is the subject of “Pomegranates and Myrrh,” a romance of Palestinian origin that avoids making an argument about Middle East politics, and as a result is fiercely political and fiercely charged. Romantic elements, first-rate acting and an unusual pedigree could make tyro helmer Najwa Najjar’s heartfelt drama a specialty hit, particularly in the proper hands. Pic is now traveling the fest circuit following its Sundance premiere.

As happens with the best political films, the politics themselves are almost incidental. (Was “To Kill a Mockingbird” primarily about racism, or Scout? Was “Reds” about the Bolsheviks?) “Pomegranates and Myrrh” isn’t obsessed with the political circumstances in which its story is set; it’s concerned with people. But the fact that everything that happens to these people happens because of the untenable politics surrounding them makes for a scathing critique.
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http://variety.com/2009/film/reviews/pomegranates-and-myrrh-1200475326/
 
basilio said:
Saw a film last night on SBS on demand that gave an insight into what is happening in the West Bank. Also brings home just how angry and despairing the Paelstinians must feel as they watch Israel systematically confiscate their property, throw them into jail if they protest and cut up their state into a thousand pieces.
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I heard a similar doco on Radio National over the holiday period. It was quite heartbreaking, but because feelings on both sides seem to be so extreme, I found myself questioning how objective it could possibly have been.
That might have been completely unfair.
 
basilio said:
Saw a film last night on SBS on demand that gave an insight into what is happening in the West Bank. Also brings home just how angry and despairing the Paelstinians must feel as they watch Israel systematically confiscate their property, throw them into jail if they protest and cut up their state into a thousand pieces.
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I remember the WA govt forcing the sale of land for subdivisions. I'm guessing the fellas who got fleeced in those days felt fairly angry too.
 
The soldier tried for manslaughter of a Palestinian will be a hero in Netanyahu's mind. Hate runs deep in some people and a gun makes them feel super human.
 
Wysiwyg said:
The soldier tried for manslaughter of a Palestinian will be a hero in Netanyahu's mind. Hate runs deep in some people and a gun makes them feel super human.
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In that yahoo's mind, any killings of Palestinians is a step closer to completing God's mission for him.

But I think it's more the case that this one soldier is just one of those sacrificial lambs. One of those "bad apples" doing bad stuff you can't deny, so you investigate and fake outrage. It'll show that these kind of things aren't acceptable, because those who does it are apparently tried and punished.

Reminds me of what Chomsky said of the My Lai Massacre. How the trial of Calley and his Charlie Company were all the rage because a few journalists caught it on tape. But if you look at the VN war closely, there's a My Lai every day. Even I was shock to hear that kind of stuff, but it happened.
 
noco said:
If someone gave you punch on the nose are you not going to retaliate or are would you turn the other cheek.

FCS.....Hamas fired some 2000 rockets into Israel in the past 2 weeks. What would expect them to do?

Hamas builds up their arsenal and lets fly at Israel every two years.

If Indonesia fired 2000 rockets onto Australian soil in two weeks , what do you think we Australians should do?
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Australia does not occupy Indonesian territory. If it did, I could hardly blame Indonesia for attacking us.
 
Part II of interviews with the makers of a new doco "The Occupation of the American Mind".

Incredible how modern-day propaganda works.

 
Israeli "Defence" Forces keeping the peace.

Peaceful Palestinian protesters in Gaza getting shot by Israeli snipers.

Some 17 dead, over 1,000 injured - some critically.

How are imprisoned people living in an open prison, with no guns, no weapons, protesting within "their" own border some 500m away from Israel deemed a threat so great the IDF can just shoot them dead?

I guess it's that "peace offensive" they're pulling. I mean, some people just don't like being forced to live like animals and won't shut up about it.

 
some qoutes from the horses mouth may help shed some light...


Some Racist statements by main Israeli and Zionist figures

* " (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

* "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988.

* "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

* "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

* "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969.

* "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

* Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

* "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

* "We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

* "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

* "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."

* "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

* "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

* Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

* "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

* "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

* "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

* "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
* "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 (Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1).

* "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920).

The modern founder of Zionism Theodor Herzl once said:

"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends".[6][7]

UN resolutions

Main articles: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 and UN General Assembly Resolution 4686

On November 10, 1975 the United Nations General Assembly adopted, by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), Resolution 3379, which stated that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination."

However, on 16 December 1991, it was rescinded by Resolution 4686, with a vote of 111 to 25 (with 13 abstentions). The resolution 4686 was acheived under a severe pressure from US and Israel. Israel made it a condition to participate in the Peace process in the Middle East.
 
newanimal said:
some qoutes from the horses mouth may help shed some light...


Some Racist statements by main Israeli and Zionist figures

* " (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

* "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988.

* "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

* "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

* "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969.

* "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

* Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

* "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

* "We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

* "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

* "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."

* "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

* "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

* Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

* "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

* "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

* "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

* "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
* "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 (Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1).

* "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920).

The modern founder of Zionism Theodor Herzl once said:

"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends".[6][7]

UN resolutions

Main articles: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 and UN General Assembly Resolution 4686

On November 10, 1975 the United Nations General Assembly adopted, by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), Resolution 3379, which stated that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination."

However, on 16 December 1991, it was rescinded by Resolution 4686, with a vote of 111 to 25 (with 13 abstentions). The resolution 4686 was acheived under a severe pressure from US and Israel. Israel made it a condition to participate in the Peace process in the Middle East.
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That's messed up. Particularly seeing what Hitler and the Nazi did to the Jews of Europe.

But I supposed psychos never let a crisis like attempted genocide go to waste.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
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I cannot understand how there is so much sympathy for Hamas, an organisation whose aim is to remove or kill every Jew from Israel/Palestine.

The Arabs need to look at a map of the area.

Israel takes up a tiny area geographically.

Arabs need to man up and make peace with Israel.

This conflict will persist otherwise.

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It's on again .... with an emboldened Iran happy to fight the West to the last Palestinian
 
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Don't know what all the fuss is about. I suggest a constitutional referendum. Let Israelis vote yes or no to recognise Palestine as the traditional owners of the land and give them a voice to Parliament. Problem solved, I'll be waiting for my Nobel prize... Or is it the other way? No. Maybe Palestine should vote on Israeli recognition and give them a voice? Hmm. Little help here pls. Maybe someone on ASF has a great great grand parent who was born there and is thus an expert on the situation?

But in all seriousness I hopefully both sides wipe each other out. I have zero care factor for Israel/Palestine. Nothing will happen for a generation or two. Not like the world is getting more rational and well behaved.
 
The Triangle said:
Don't know what all the fuss is about. I suggest a constitutional referendum. Let Israelis vote yes or no to recognise Palestine as the traditional owners of the land and give them a voice to Parliament. Problem solved, I'll be waiting for my Nobel prize... Or is it the other way? No. Maybe Palestine should vote on Israeli recognition and give them a voice? Hmm. Little help here pls. Maybe someone on ASF has a great great grand parent who was born there and is thus an expert on the situation?

But in all seriousness I hopefully both sides wipe each other out. I have zero care factor for Israel/Palestine. Nothing will happen for a generation or two. Not like the world is getting more rational and well behaved.
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Should be no problem in eliminating the Palestinians in Gaza. Israel has cut off all power and supplies of everything.
Shouldn't take too long to starve them into the ground. If that is what you are suggesting.:cautious:
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The attack on Israel is awful. But it hasn't happened in a vacuum ? I was just thinking of a historical event that had some roughly similar dimensions. An enclosed ghetto controlled by an overwhelmingly powerful enemy.

And then a fighting break out before the inevitable outcome.

en.wikipedia.org

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Wikipedia

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