Israel in the Gaza Strip

[Bushman]

The Romans sorted the place out for a few hundred years.

gg

That they did - and by the time the empire fell to Odoacer in 476 AD, the silver denarius contained only 0.02% silver *! Sound familiar? Keep the citizens happy with toys and wars while they become fat little consumers feeding off the devaluation of the currency and the labour of their vassals.

* - footnote 'Empire of Debt - the Rise of an Epic Financial Crisis'; Bonner, William, and Wiggin, Addison; Published John Wiley & Sons 2006 (p51)

 

[nick2fish]

You are totally wrong.

The cowards are,
The pilots in the jet fighter/bombers that fly in without warning and drop their laser directed bombs from 1000 feet or less and the race away at 1000mph.

They drop their bombs on people who cannot defend themselves against an American make jet fighter/bombers.


UB

Hey Uncle,
Yep and you are totally right cause the heroes are those fine upstanding men who hide their faces in hoods and fire soviet made rockets into a building where mum is cooking the midday meal.

 

[gordon2007]

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They drop their bombs on people who cannot defend themselves against an American make jet fighter/bombers.


UB

I didn't realise that hamas set off a warning siren when they launch their missiles from kilometres away. I didn't realise hamas built bomb shelters for the israel women and children to hide in whilst they launch their missles at their houses.

 

[numbercruncher]

And not to mention Hamas's human shields of women and babies .......

Send in the tanks @!

 

[robots]

hello,

anybody been to these areas in Israel for substantial time?

i understand Israel is full of fundamental groups of all belief's

could be great place to kick off Robotism

thankyou
robots

 

[explod]

And not to mention Hamas's human shields of women and babies .......

Send in the tanks @!

Their miserable patch is so small nowhere else for them to go.

But those great big Isreali tanks on the telli imply that they must be right. The big bully is always right. Hit big over the festive when minds are on other things too. Hit now whilst GWB can back them. After January the window may close.

 

[numbercruncher]

Their miserable patch is so small nowhere else for them to go.

But those great big Isreali tanks on the telli imply that they must be right. The big bully is always right. Hit big over the festive when minds are on other things too. Hit now whilst GWB can back them. After January the window may close.

I dont think anyone in Palestine and few in Israel see this time of year as festive ? Should they do it during Ramadan or something ?

Hamas terrorists should surrender then its war over ...... nice and easy really. Its not like Israel sits there shooting random unaimed missles all over the place like Hamas for months on end.

If NSW was lobbing missiles at us Queenslanders we would go in and woop there weak sorry arses quicksmart, why should it be different for Israelis ?

 

[Uncle Barry]

The massive Israeli bombardment of Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip has so far killed 312 Palestinians wounded more than 1,400 others

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24853901-1702,00.html

Yes send in the tanks etc.
YOU should feel proud if this is want you want.

I would have thought that after Mr Hitler did to the jewish race, that trying to wipe out another race of humans would be the very last thing any decent Jewish person would want !

Sick, is the best description of what is happening,,sick.

 

[roland]

The massive Israeli bombardment of Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip has so far killed 312 Palestinians wounded more than 1,400 others

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24853901-1702,00.html

Yes send in the tanks etc.
YOU should feel proud if this is want you want.

I would have thought that after Mr Hitler did to the jewish race, that trying to wipe out another race of humans would be the very last thing any decent Jewish person would want !

Sick, is the best description of what is happening,,sick.

so what is the solution Uncle Barry? I would think nations of other countries that had to endure missile attacks from an unfriendly neighbour would probably retaliate in some form or another....

the Palestinian Police have no control over the militants and the civilian population seems content on providing cover

 

[mayk]

so what is the solution Uncle Barry? I would think nations of other countries that had to endure missile attacks from an unfriendly neighbour would probably retaliate in some form or another....

the Palestinian Police have no control over the militants and the civilian population seems content on providing cover

The solution is simple. Implement UN resolutions. Ironically the solution of this problem is there, the political will on both sides is lacking.

Give Israel peace, and let Palestinians live in peace.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

The massive Israeli bombardment of Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip has so far killed 312 Palestinians wounded more than 1,400 others

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,24853901-1702,00.html

Yes send in the tanks etc.
YOU should feel proud if this is want you want.

I would have thought that after Mr Hitler did to the jewish race, that trying to wipe out another race of humans would be the very last thing any decent Jewish person would want !

Sick, is the best description of what is happening,,sick.

I can't see why they can't go to Jordan to live and leave the area to the Israelis.

The whole area with the industry of the Israelis and the mass of Arabs in a greater Jordan would be an economic dynamite.

The problem with the Palestinians is that they have been led by hairy arsed elders for too long , who lack intelligence and vision.

gg

 

[roland]

The solution is simple. Implement UN resolutions. Ironically the solution of this problem is there, the political will on both sides is lacking.

Give Israel peace, and let Palestinians live in peace.

Sorry, I am still not seeing much of a solution - what UN resolutions should be implimented?

I have a feeling that many years of mismanagement and external interference of Gaza will never integrate this small area into it's surrounds. At least not with the stiffling conditions of the politically induced border and airspace controls and lack of any soveriegn freedoms.

 

[mayk]

Sorry, I am still not seeing much of a solution - what UN resolutions should be implimented?

I have a feeling that many years of mismanagement and external interference of Gaza will never integrate this small area into it's surrounds. At least not with the stiffling conditions of the politically induced border and airspace controls and lack of any soveriegn freedoms.

http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html

Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.

General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948



"Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."



Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal.

Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967



Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."



Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal.

Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979



"Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East."



Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination.

General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974



Affirms "the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine...to self-determination without external interference" and "to national independence and sovereignty."



Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State

Security Council Resolution 1397, March 12, 2002



Affirms "a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders."

 

[roland]

http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html

Thanks mayk, but I believe a lot of what you have copied there is well out of date. A lot of water (so to speak) has passed under the bridge since these "resolutions"

Wiki, gives a reasonable up to date account of the state of affairs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip

Happy Reading

 

[roland]

actually mayk, looking at what you quoted there, it seems that this is really not the issue anyway. I don't think that there is any doubt that Israel is not occupying Palestine.

The issue is more to do with the fact that someone in the gaza strip is lobbing missiles into Israel's backyard, and that is not going down too well.

 

[mayk]

actually mayk, looking at what you quoted there, it seems that this is really not the issue anyway. I don't think that there is any doubt that Israel is not occupying Palestine.

The issue is more to do with the fact that someone in the gaza strip is lobbing missiles into Israel's backyard, and that is not going down too well.

So this is just a local, recent problem, with no background or history? Water under the bridge as you said

 

[roland]

So this is just a local, recent problem, with no background or history? Water under the bridge as you said

No, I didn't say any of that. I was just wondering how quoting old security council resolutions of occupation is going to solve a different (and yes, an ongoing) problem of people chucking missiles at you?

Israel are not currently occupying Gaza, so they are in compliance with your quoted resolutions.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I can't see why they can't go to Jordan to live and leave the area to the Israelis.

The whole area with the industry of the Israelis and the mass of Arabs in a greater Jordan would be an economic dynamite.

The problem with the Palestinians is that they have been led by hairy arsed elders for too long , who lack intelligence and vision.

gg

Sorry, I am still not seeing much of a solution - what UN resolutions should be implimented?

I have a feeling that many years of mismanagement and external interference of Gaza will never integrate this small area into it's surrounds. At least not with the stiffling conditions of the politically induced border and airspace controls and lack of any soveriegn freedoms.

Sorry to interrupt.

The UN is a corrupt organisation containing amongst others, Zimbabwe, North Korea and Canada.

Do not look to this motley crew for an answer.

Get the Arabs to move into a greater Jordan and let the industrious Israelis get on with developing the place.

gg

 

[roland]

Sorry to interrupt.

The UN is a corrupt organisation containing amongst others, Zimbabwe, North Korea and Canada.

Do not look to this motley crew for an answer.

Get the Arabs to move into a greater Jordan and let the industrious Israelis get on with developing the place.

gg

I don't know about being corrupt, I would go as far as saying ineffectual - but not unexpected for a puppet organisation.

Personally I think Egypt and Isael should be allowed to divide up Gaza evenly, let the refugees who make up most of the population freely chosse which side of the fence to sit on, enforce proper law and order aand everyone lives happily for ever after.

 

[gordon2007]

We have a situation where a group fire rockets etc from the ground in fact hundreds and only kill one person.


Myself an a proud Australia
UB

UB, you may be a proud australian, but you type with a very strong mideast accent. You are clearly anti american and anti jewish.

You keep asking us to see both sides of a story, but yet you only ramble on about how bad israel is. You seem to think it's OK to lob 100's of missiles because they miss rate and kill rate is horrendeous.

It is not the fault of israel that hamas builds inaccurate missiles. The intent is still there, and that intent is to kill people. Maybe they would have more credibility if they sent missiles to army bases, but they instead send them to civilians.

I don't think too many people in this thread think israel is 100% innocent in this war. However, you make it sound as though it is all israel's fault. Perhaps if you gave factual evidence, instead of angry bantor, your thoughts would come out a bit more clearer and maybe not seem so one sided.